From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 09:29:08 2000 Date: 13 Sep 2000 06:15:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20000913101513.13938.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #51 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: ade604ea0dd6bda8f0e5b7b26f2b8017 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, September 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 051 In this issue: CATV Phone Service Re: CATV Phone Service Most federal sites fail privacy test Cannot change my long 504 NPA (New Orleans/southeast Louisiana) SPLIT, and the new NPA is- RE: mci problems Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) 9/12/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: USWest changing LD carrier without user's knowledge! What's more rare than a public phone? Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Sep 2000 10:05:32 -0400 From: Marty Brenneis Subject: CATV Phone Service Can some wizardly netizen point me at a description of how the CATV phone networks work? I'm curious. I know how traditional POTS works with a copper pair running back to a switch in a CO. I got to wondering if the signal that is created by the CATV to phone box that is installed by the local cable company is de-moded and fed to a regular switch, or is it packet switched some how. Post here so all can learn. Thanks Marty Brenneis spambot@sparkology.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 11:46:32 -0400 From: Marvin A Sirbu Subject: Re: CATV Phone Service Excerpts from netnews.comp.dcom.telecom: 12-Sep-100 CATV Phone Service Marty Brenneis@sparkolog (561*) > Can some wizardly netizen point me at a description of how the CATV > phone networks work? I'm curious. I know how traditional POTS works > with a copper pair running back to a switch in a CO. > I got to wondering if the signal that is created by the CATV to phone > box that is installed by the local cable company is de-moded and fed to > a regular switch, or is it packet switched some how. > Post here so all can learn. To date, all of the CATV-based telephony services that have been offered use circuit switching, not packet switching. The first major trial of IP telephony over cable is about to get underway in Montreal as an offering of Videotron, Quebec's major MSO. Expect ATT Broadband to begin its own trials within a year. See: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000814/pa_motorol.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 12:01:40 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Most federal sites fail privacy test Most federal sites fail privacy test 97 percent don't meet FTC standards for commercial sites By Brock N. Meeks © MSNBC WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 - A staggering 97 percent of federal Web sites fail to adhere to the four basic privacy principles that the Federal Trade Commission has recommended be made mandatory for all private sector Web sites, according a government report scheduled for release Tuesday. http://www.msnbc.com/news/458591.asp?cp1=1 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 13:59:33 -0400 From: "Andy Ball" Subject: Cannot change my long FamilyNet HQ: Telnet:\\www.family-bbs.net Hello Nathan, N> In your case, reliability appears to be your main concern. In > mine, it's the rate, since I use between 3000 and 5000 minutes > of long distance a month. The rate is very important for me too because I make a lot of national and international calls. Reliability is of secondary importance for me, up to a point. My biggest problem with BigZoo.com is their apparent total disdain for their customers and their inability to find their arse with both hands. They have no telephone-based customer support lines, referring you instead to their web site, the support scripts of which are broken. The billing scripts are broken too causing people to be billed twice for each transaction. I wouldn't touch this company with a ten foot barge pole!! N> ...since it's only out every once in a while, and then usually > not for long... How about every evening, for hours on end? - - Andy. * SLMR 2.1a * FamilyNet <> Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 14:49:26 -0400 From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: 504 NPA (New Orleans/southeast Louisiana) SPLIT, and the new NPA is- It has now been publically announced... The new split-off NPA from 504 _WILL_ be _985_, which is what was ONE of the named "possibilities" mentioned two and a half years ago when 225 was announced as the split-off from 504 for the Baton Rouge region, but the newspaper articles said that the commission decided against 985 for Baton Rouge and instead for 225. Back in 1998 when 225 (Baton Rouge & vicinity) split from 504, the news/press/media stated that 351 was the first choice, then 285 or 985, but these were discarded, and 225 was chosen. 351 and 285 can NOT be used for THIS split of 504, because there is a 504-351 code in Hammond LA (I think to BellSouth Mobility), and 504-285 in Slidel LA (again, I think to BellSouth Mobility). And I _WAS_ guessing at 985, since there (presently) is _NO_ 228-985 on the MS Gulfcoast, _NO_ 225-985 in the Baton Rouge area, _NO_ 337-985 in the sw LA area, and while there _IS_ a 601-985, it is in Jackson MS itself (a distance away), and also while there _IS_ a 318-985, nothing associated with 504 "touches" 318 anymore. The 318-985 prefix is for (independent ?CenturyTel?) Moureauville LA, which is very close to (if not bordering) the 225 NPA / Baton Rouge LATA. 318-985 is in the Shreveport-Alexandria-Monroe LATA. However, inTER-NPA toll/LD calls do require 1+ten-digits (and all home-NPA toll calls have also required 1+ten-digit, as 1+home-NPA+seven-digits, since 1994 in preparation for NNX format NPAs in Jan.1995. There really is _NO_ seven-digit inTER-LATA calling that I am aware of in Louisiana. The inTER-LATA local/EAS that exists/grandfathered and falls in two NPAs has mostly become (straight) ten-digits in this area. (the only "drawback" is the 1AESS switch at "Main" in New Orleans that might (?still?) have 985 in use as a "ringback" for a specific actual 5XX c.o.code. But I doubt that 985 is actually used for any 1A prefix ringback test code anymore, if it ever was... in the New Orleans area, the 99x, 98x, 96x, and 931 codes have been frequently used for ringback at 1As' prefixes, while COMMONLY (but not always consistant), 997 is used for ANAC-IN and 998 for ANAC-OUT at 1As, 5Es, DMSes, etc. The Digitals have used 991 + your last four digits then FLASH and hang-up, for ringback in _ALL_ actual NXX c.o.code prefixes out of that switch, instead of what the older 1As needed where each and every NXX c.o.code prefix served by that 1A needed/had a unique 9NX "ringback" prefix; and more and more 1AESS central offices in the New Orleans area have been cut to DMSes and 5ESSes in more recent years)... 504 will be retained by the following eight ratecenters (as they have existed for the past 40-or-so years; there is that proposed enhanced EAS, though): New Orleans, Kenner, St.Bernard, Ysclowsky, Delacroix, Lafitte, Jesuit Bend, Lake Catherine _ALL_ other New Orleans LATA area ratecenters presently within 504 will split to the new 985, inlcuding three "out-of-NOLA-LATA" (two are in LATAs for Mississippi) ratecenters will also change to the new 985 NPA code: South Osyka LA (504-548 => 985-548), which gets dialtone from the Osyka MS remote, assoicated with the Jackson MS LATA Pearlington LA (504-531 => 985-531), which gets dialtone from the Pearlington MS remote, associated with the Biloxi/Gulfport MS LATA "Offshore" LA (504-444 => 985-444), a "billing" code (and said to eventually be a routing code) for cellular/satellite offshore oil/drilling rigs in the Gulf-of-Mexico, associated with "Pseudo" LATA#999 (Services). There will have to be some 10-digit local/EAS dialing in some situations, though -- because there are some local/EAS (and LOS and Area-Plus) calling arrangements which will cross the 504 / 985 NPA split boundary. Implementation -- and all dates fall on a _MONDAY_ morning: Permissive Dialing begins: 12-Feb-2001 Mandatory Dialing of 985 to landline prefixes changing from 504: _22_-Oct-2001 Mandatory Dialing of 985 to wireless prefixes changing from 504: _21_-Oct-2002 On a related matter, I'm looking forward to addtional "official" documentation on SPECIFICS on the proposed enhanced EAS/local calling within various parts of Louisiana, including for many New Orleans Metro regions! MARK_J._CUCCIA__PHONE/WRITE/WIRE/CABLE:__HOME:__(USA)__Tel:_CHestnut-1-2497 WORK:__mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu|4710-Wright-Road|__(+1-504-241-2497) Tel:UNiversity-5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New-Orleans-28__|fwds-on-no-answr-to Fax:UNiversity-5-5917(+1-504-865-5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail- NWORLASKCG0 (BellSouth #1AESS Cl.5 Local "Seabrook" 504-24x-) to become a #5ESS (yeah!), NWORLASKDS0, 12:01am SAT-11-NOV-2000 NWORLAIYCM3 (BellSouth-Mobility Ericsson Cellular-MTSO NOL) NWORLAMT01T (BellSouth DMS-100 "Metairie" Tndm; Cellular routes thru) NWORLAMA0GT (BellSouth DMS-100/200 inTRA-LATA/fg.BCD Tndm "Main" 504+) NWORLAMA20T (BellSouth DMS-200 TOPS:inLATA OprSvcTndm "Main" 504+053+) NWORLAMA04T (AT&T #4ESS Class-2 Toll 060-T / 504-2T "Main" 504+) JCSNMSPS06T (AT&T #5ESS OSPS:Operator-Services-Tandem 601-0T 601+121) JCSNMSPS14T (AT&T #4ESS Class-3 Toll 040-T / 601-2T; OSPS routes thru) NWORLAELH01 (PBX NEC-2400 504-862-3/8xxx, 504-865-4/5/6xxx) NWORLACADS0 (BellSo.DMS-100 Cl.5 Lcl "Carrollton" 504-86x-;PBX 'homes'on) ========================================================================= - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 16:14:38 -0400 From: "Wineburgh, Joseph \(Exchange\)" Subject: RE: mci problems How are the PRI's configured? one D channel for the 6, or one per PRI? What are the T1's used for if you have ISDN capability? Do you really have the pipes broken down into groups of channels for different apps? Might be better off to have DNIS sent and share all pipes / channels. Or are these strictly outbound calls? If so, there's no reason you can't use multiple carriers for redundancy (AT&T, Sprint, etc.) and route your calls wherever they complete. Could be considered a breach of contract if you have SLA's built in... One other thought - Do you have a way to verify that the pipes are not completely _FULL_ during your peak time? That could lead to fast busys, dead air (queueing), and possibly dropped calls depending on the PBX & configuration. What is your average call length? If you have 192 concurrent calls (24 channel pipes), you're full. #JOE - ------------------------------------- Date: 10 Sep 2000 14:56:01 -0400 From: mikegackst@aol.com (Mikegackst) Subject: mci problems I have a customer that has 6 pri and 2 t-1 configureation, being provided by MCI. They were saying that the circuits are working fine and their construction of the rollovers to the different channels of the t-1 and pri were fine. I have spent more evenings at the call center monitoring the circuits and operations of the equipment than I care to mention. Only to determine the problem of drop calls and call not dialing out to be MCI. I have talked to repair techs, engineers and sales reps. (bs artists), repeating the same senareal, of how when the circuits get busy, @1500 to 2500 calls an hour, the circuits start acting up. As a call center, the customer lives and dies by the phone. MCI give a good appearance of caring for the first month. Afterwards, it's to stonewall our requests for answer to the questions of what is going on with the circuits. MCI swears, that all circuits are separated from each other. however, when one pri bulches, all of the pri's get gas. The t-1's are the same way, like twins. one gets a cold they all get a cold. Has anyone else have the same type of response and service from MCI as I????!!@$##. *********************************************************************** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *********************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 2000 18:00:14 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Looks like the Canadians are headed towards wireless number portability in 2001. Wonder if this will ever happen in the US? Even number portability between wireless carriers would be welcomed. TORONTO (Reuters) - Canadian consumers won't have to change home numbers if they move exclusively to a cellular phone and can even get their wireless number listed in the white pages under little noticed federal regulatory rulings. Analysts said the changes effectively put cellular companies on par with the big traditional phone companies as regulators begin to embrace the soaring demand for wireless communications in Canada... Wireless Phones Do Battle with Home Phone Address:http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000911/tc/microcell_crtc_dc_1.html - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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On 10 Sep 2000 03:12:01 -0400, Craig Macbride, wrote: > I have a friend who lives in Washington state and has just made the > unpleasant discovery that USWest (now QWest) changed her long distance > carrier on one of her two phone lines without her knowledge or consent. > This was done late last year. It was only when she made a long overseas > call recently that she discovered that it was billed to AT&T (over US$200), > instead of the carrier she had chosen, which would have charged about US$20. > > She has a calling card with AT&T and gets billed directly by them. When > she contacted her preferred carrier, they told her USWest had instructed > them last December that their service was no longer required! > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get USWest to pay the US$200 > they are responsible for? Any ideas why USWest might have changed a > customer's long distance carrier without their knowledge? Surely this > behaviour should be illegal? I believe the the route in the US is for her to complain to the state Public Utilities Commission (or whatever it's called) that she got 'slammed'. She should also dispute the bill, and offer to pay what she would've been charged by her chosen carrier. - -- Walter Dnes - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 01:20:29 -0400 From: jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu Subject: What's more rare than a public phone? A public phone with a directory, that's what. Of course keeping phone books in public is a maintenance headache; but you wonder how many calls are not made because somebody doesn't know the number, or doesn't have Yellow Pages to look in. It seems odd, too, that the dearth of telephone directories at public phones is occurring just when there are so many third-party directory publishers throwing their products at the public. Seems like there is an opportunity here for one of those publishers to assure their advertisers that the books containing their ads will be maintained at a large number of public phone sites. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 01:48:52 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless "Anthony Argyriou" wrote > > Airtouch is a spinoff of PacBell. When analog cellular service areas were > doled out by the FCC, each area got two - one "wireline provider" (limited > to ILECs, IIRC), and one "non-wireline provider", which ILECs were not > allowed to bid for. In the SF Bay Area, the wireline provider was GTE > Mobilenet, and the non-wireline was MacCaw Cellular, operating under the > Cellular One brand. Actually, the wireline license originally went to a partnership of GTE, PacTel Mobile Access (PacBell's cellular affiliate) and I believe one or two smaller telephone companies (I may be mistaken on the latter), and the nonwireline license went to a partnership, Bay Area Cellular Telephone Co. (dba Cellular One), in which PacTel had no interest. Subsequently, PacTel Mobile Access mreged with a nonwireline cellular company, Communications Industries, that had a large share of the SF nonwireline system, and consequently sold its interest in the wireline license to GTE (and possibly also to the other telcos). After a bit of trading pieces, the nonwireline license became owned by PacTel Mobile Access and McCaw. It always did business as Celluar One, not PacTel. McCaw sold out to AT&T and PacTel Mobile Access was spun off to become AirTouch. AirTouch was acquired by Vodafone. Even though AirTouch's HQ was in SF, the local cellular system was still known as Cellular One, since it was a joint venture with AT&T. Then Vodafone put its US cellular assets into a partnership with Bell Atlantic known as Verizon Wireless. Bell Atlantic, meanwhile merged with GTE, and GTE's wireless assets were folded into the Verizon Wireless partnership. To avoid prohibited cellular overlap, one of the two San Francisco interests had to be sold. Verizon Wireless chose to sell the minority interest in the nonwireline license to AT&T and keep the GTE license as Verizon Wireless. Talk about things going in a cicle. (Full Disclosure: I was the FCC Mobile Services Division Chief at the time of the PacTel-CI merger back in the mid-80s; I'm now an attorney in private practice doing work for Verizon Wireless, among other clients.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #51 ******************************* From ???@??? Wed Sep 13 22:36:04 2000 Date: 13 Sep 2000 22:59:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20000914025933.6866.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #52 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 426cee73bcc919d22369459b3f7df3e2 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, September 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 052 In this issue: re. customer service at airtel spain Re: What's more rare than a public phone? Re: What's more rare than a public phone? Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) a news report warning of pager scam Broadband users need firewall to prevent hackers from prying Australian telco Optus forced to honor unlimited local call deal Expensive NANP Area Codes ; And Caribbean Routing/Numbering History EPIC and Amazon.com Re: CATV Phone Service Lawmakers call for Net privacy legislation Re: What's more rare than a public phone? Re: What's more rare than a public phone? Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: a news report warning of pager scam 9/13/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Sep 2000 07:21:55 -0400 From: Robert Berntsen Subject: re. customer service at airtel spain henry mensch wrote in message <4.3.2.7.2.20000906000814.00c4c370@pop.verve.org>... >i'm trying to resolve some issues with my airtel (spain) formula gsm >service and i'm not getting much help with the online forms at their >website http://www.airtel.es/ (all the replies i receive from here instruct >me to dial numbers on my GSM phone that won't get me anywhere since i'm in >north america where there's no GSM service) ... a referral to someone at >airtel spain who can use e-mail and help with some service issues (in >english, or in spanish) would be appreciated. > >thanks! ># henry mensch / / http://www.verve.org/henry/ There are 26 GSM operators in USA, with a coverage between 60 and 70% of the US population. Look at: http://www.gsmworld.com/gsminfo/gsminfo.htm But all use 1900 MHz in opposite to 900 and 1800 MHz outside North America. So you need a terminal capable of operating at 1900 MHz. All major vendors have models. A few models can operate at 1900 MHz and one or both international frequencies (Bosh, Motorola, Ericsson). The last problem is then roaming agreement between airtel and these operators. Roaming info should be available from airtel. And then you have to check if any of the roaming partners indeed have coverage where you are. Simple? Well, in the US telecom co. seem to hesitate to make it simple for the customers, for some unknown reason. Good luck. Regards R - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 07:56:21 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: What's more rare than a public phone? 13 Sep 2000 01:20:29 -0400 jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu wrote: >A public phone with a directory, that's what. Of course keeping phone >books in public is a maintenance headache; but you wonder how many calls >are not made because somebody doesn't know the number, or doesn't have >Yellow Pages to look in. It seems odd, too, that the dearth of telephone >directories at public phones is occurring just when there are so many >third-party directory publishers throwing their products at the public. >Seems like there is an opportunity here for one of those publishers to >assure their advertisers that the books containing their ads will be >maintained at a large number of public phone sites. Service for public phones has been going down for years probably due to the fact that so many people now have cell phone service. That's why you pay at least $.35 for a local call. At any rate in some states such as California and Washiington unless you want to fork over the local directory assistance charge which is $.75 or more per call you are relegated to using the directory that is "provided" at the payphone. I've noticed that here in Washington state for Qwest most of the time there is a directory. Whether it's useful or not is another matter entirely. Most of the time the directoriy(ies) are unuseable because they are waterlogged or you'll need a white pages listing and all that they've provided is yellow pages. Evidently years ago the state putlic utility commission granted USWest that they could charge for directory assistance but they had to provide directories. I think it's pretty lame. On the other hand GTE almost never provided directories, but at least you could call local directory assistance from a pay phone at no charge. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:03:41 -0400 From: HALinNY77@aol.com Subject: Re: What's more rare than a public phone? In a message dated 09/13/00 06:18:30 Eastern Daylight Time, owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org writes: > A public phone with a directory, that's what. Of course keeping phone > books in public is a maintenance headache; but you wonder how many calls > are not made because somebody doesn't know the number, or doesn't have > Yellow Pages to look in. It seems odd, too, that the dearth of telephone > directories at public phones is occurring just when there are so many > third-party directory publishers throwing their products at the public. > Seems like there is an opportunity here for one of those publishers to > assure their advertisers that the books containing their ads will be > maintained at a large number of public phone sites. Hard copy telephone directories are dying. Dial-up information services and internet-based directories are what's happening. Yellow pages advertising has never really benefited any advertisers except for plumbers, locksmiths, and maybe tow truck operators. (Would you choose a doctor from the yellow pages?) When directory service was free, hardcopy directories were essential to keeping associated costs down. Now that it is billable (at up to $1.00 per query), there is no incentive to keep hardcopy around, particularly at COTs, where they are subject to much abuse. Hal Kaplan Orion Telecommunications Corp. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:35:30 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) David Lind wrote: > Looks like the Canadians are headed towards wireless number portability in > 2001. Wonder if this will ever happen in the US? Even number portability > between wireless carriers would be welcomed. > TORONTO (Reuters) - Canadian consumers won't have to change home numbers if > they move exclusively to a cellular phone and can even get their wireless > number listed in the white pages under little noticed federal regulatory > rulings. Analysts said the changes effectively put cellular companies on par > with the big traditional phone companies as regulators begin to embrace the > soaring demand for wireless communications in Canada... This is what I am waiting for in the USA. It is already apparent to me that I could save a few dollars per month if I went to a cellular phone in place of my wired line. If I could transfer my current home number to a cellular service I would do it tomorrow. I hope the FCC gets on the ball and makes this happen, though they haven't gotten universal caller ID to work yet, so I won't hold my breath. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 09:16:46 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: a news report warning of pager scam Last weekend, KYW news-radio in Philadelphia broadcast a warning about a pager scam, and pointed out that the large number of area codes made it easier to pull off such a scam. The scam is paging someone with a number which turns out to be an expensive pay-per-call line. (Any ideas of what area codes might be involved?) The counter to this (not in the words used in that broadcast) is doing your homework by finding out where the number you would be calling is. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:03:15 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Broadband users need firewall to prevent hackers from prying Broadband users need firewall to prevent hackers from prying http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:COMP34/1:COMP340912100.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:13:07 -0400 From: Nigel Allen Subject: Australian telco Optus forced to honor unlimited local call deal Here is a press release from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. I found in on the ACCC's web site at http://www.accc.gov.au/ 13 September 2000 ACCC Requires OPTUS to Meet Unlimited Local Call Commitment Cable & Wireless Optus has been required to renew its commitment to provide unlimited local calls to customers on certain call plans after intervention by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission over concerns that Optus had tried to go back on earlier promises. Optus has admitted that it misled some consumers in attempting to restrict the number of calls they could make whilst on Optus's Unlimited Call plans. "This move should send two very clear messages to all players in the telecommunications industry and to businesses generally", ACCC Chairman, Professor Allan Fels, said today. "First, terms such as 'unlimited' cannot usually be qualified and businesses should be extremely cautious in placing limitations on what consumers would ordinarily see as unrestricted product offerings. "Second, if businesses try to limit expressions such as 'free', 'unlimited' or 'all you can use' then these exclusions must be clearly stated at the time they are made". With regard to acceptable user policies, Professor Fels said that while the ACCC recognised the need for such policies to deter abuse in network industries, it was concerned in relation to the policies being adopted by a number of companies. The ACCC has received a number of complaints from consumers about acceptable user policies and will continue to monitor the use of such policies. Optus's admission follows the ACCC investigation of complaints, including referrals from the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman. In March 2000 Optus initially advertised its unlimited local call package with a statement 'your household can make hundreds or thousands of local calls a month'. Optus then introduced a policy in early May, called the Optus Local Fair Go Policy that sought to limit the 'unlimited' local calls to fewer than 500 calls per month. Further, customers were required to sign a 12-month contract, preselecting Optus for long distance calls, but the unlimited local call component expired earlier, on 31 October 2000. "The total package was a 12-month plan, yet the central marketing feature of the plan was only available for a few months. This was not sufficiently disclosed and even where it was disclosed Optus admitted that its advertising material was ambiguous". In the undertaking accepted by the ACCC, Optus has agreed to extend its offer for a further year, allowing all customers on the unlimited local call packages to make unlimited calls until 31 October 2001. "This is a significant outcome for consumers, which ensures that they get the service that was first represented". The ACCC acknowledges the assistance provided by the TIO that demonstrates the way in which the two independent bodies work together for the benefit of consumers. The ACCC also recognises Cable & Wireless Optus's cooperation in resolving this matter. Further information Professor Allan Fels, Chairman, ACCC (03) 9290 1812 or pager (02) 6285 6170 Ms Lin Enright, Director, Public Relations, (02) 6243 1108 or (0414) 613 520 forwarded to the TELECOM Digest by Nigel Allen ndallen@interlog.com http://www.ndallen.com/telecom.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 12:08:02 -0400 From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Expensive NANP Area Codes ; And Caribbean Routing/Numbering History cmoore@ARL.ARMY.MIL writes (in "News Report Warning of Pager Scam"): > Last weekend, KYW news-radio in Philadelphia broadcast a warning about > a pager scam, and pointed out that the large number of area codes made > it easier to pull off such a scam. The scam is paging someone with a > number which turns out to be an expensive pay-per-call line. (Any > ideas of what area codes might be involved?) The counter to this (not > in the words used in that broadcast) is doing your homework by finding > out where the number you would be calling is. Things like this have happened on numerous occasions in recent years-- and it includes leaving messages (either live or to answering machines and voicemail) to call back 976-xxxx, 900-nxx-xxxx, 500-nxx-xxxx, and well as (international non-US) NANP-Caribbean NPA+nxx-xxxx. While it is good to be aware of the seventeen (non-US) NANP-Caribbean NPA codes (sixteen of them split from the long-established "catch-all" 809 for all of the NANP-Caribbean from 1958-95, with 809 retained for the Dominican Republic - also non-US but owned by GTE->VeriZon as "Codetel"), it is NOT to be overlooked that Puerto Rico (787 now MANDATORY split from 809) and the _US_ Virgin Islands (340 now MANDATORY split from 809) _ARE_ the two _US_ (domestic billed) points within the NANP-Caribbean. (I don't know how billing/rating presently is from Canada, AK, HI, etc, for calling with PR/USVI -- many of the discount plans from Canada these days probably rate PR/USVI at the same discounted rate as for Canada->US calling). Sometime shortly prior to or around divestiture (1984), PR/USVI were made "domestic" billed with the continental US. They were previously billed as "international/overseas" ratings. Also, circa 1980, Alaska (907) became domestic billed/rated from the continental US, and Hawaii (808) became domestic billed/rated from the 48-states/DC around 1982. I would assume that calling between AK and HI became domestic-billed at that time as well. (Calling between AK/HI and PR/USVI might still be at their own rate schedules, though... but the LD-carriers' discount plans might give the same discount rates of from 5-to-10-c/min for AK/HI <=> PR/USVI calling as well). And since July 1997 with the incorporation of Guam (+671 -> +1-671) and Saipan/Northern Marianas (+670 -> +1-670) into the NANP, calling between Guam/CNMI and the US/AK/HI is also domestic billed/rated. I'm not sure about Guam/CNMI <=> PR/USVI, though... When/if ever American Samoa (+684) joins the NANP (as +1-684), being a US posession under FCC jurisdiction, it too will fall under the same "domestic rate integration" that Guam/CNMI have been placed into. Some of the "discount dialarounds" or other carriers you can "presubscribe" to have rates for +684 American Samoa that, while not necessarily as low as discount plan / 101-XXXX+ 'dialaround' 5-to-10 cents/min, are comparable to "high noon" domestic-US full-tariffed "coast-to-coast" 1+ DDD rates of 25-to-35 cents/min. It _IS_ important to note that the FCC-approved tariffed rates (including discount plan rates) to AK (907), HI (808), PR (787), USVI (340), and also Guam (671) and Saipan/Marianas (670) _ARE_ at domestic schedules for calls with (at least) the CONTINENTAL/CONTIGUOUS/CONTERMINOUS 48-states/DC. Many PBXes have been known to _BLOCK_ access to these _US_ jurisdication NPA codes. Many "alert" bulletins about "scams" involving Caribbean NPAs do frequently alert PBX managers to block the international (non-US) NANP-Caribbean NPAs, but they frequently include PR/USVI, and even Guam/CNMI (which are in the Pacific, by the way). Many COCOT/COCOT-like payphones either restrict calling to "non-CON-US" NPAs, or else they charge per-min coin-rates that are WAY above what the COCOT-owner would have to pay their LD-carrier. Canadian NPAs may or may not be accessible as well, and PBX/business customers (as well as COCOT lines, which for the most part are "classed" as business lines) _CAN_ get discount rates to Canada that are comparable to domestic US rates. BellSouth's own COCOT-like payphones don't allow (internal chip rating) 1+ coin dialing to 787/PR, 340/USVI, 671/Guam, 670/Saipan, despite the fact that all four of these non-CONUS locations _ARE_ "US" _and_ domestic-rated. AT&T's OSPS-ACTS for "traditional" c.o.controlled coin-lines _do_ allow 1+ coin-rated access (within the AT&T 5E-OSPS "ACTS" system) to these four US/domestic non-CONUS locations. I think that the present AT&T 1+ domestic coin tariffs are still "low enough" for the escrow bucket in the payphone to all "full" Automated Coin Telephone Service, without the need for the live intervention of an AT&T-OSPS operator to do a "ring-forward and post-pay" operation. (Canada, on the other hand, has risen in 1+ AT&T Coin rates to such a level that the "escrow bucket" in the payphone can't handle that much coinage, thus live AT&T Operator intervention to do a necessary ring-forward/post-pay; The non-US NANP-Caribbean has always involved this from AT&T on traditional 1+ coin access, as well as _ALL_ 011+ coin access via AT&T, due to the coin-rates being more than escrow in the payphone could handle)... Back prior to PR/USVI splitting from NPA 809, _IF_ a PBX or COCOT were to allow 1+ coin access to domestic-rated PR/USVI, translations down to the NXX level (809-NXX) needed to be done, to differentiate between the domestic-rated points (PR/USVI) and the international-rated points. This usually involved FULL 6-digit translation of the complete 809+NXX code. Many PBXes and COCOTs didn't want to have to do this, thus PR/USVI were completely blocked. ORIGINATING local Telco central office translations also used to frequently fully 6-digit translate 809 down to the NXX level (as 809+NXX), because of AT&T's request to screen out the international non-US 809-NXX localities if there were Banded-OUT-WATS class-of-service customers in that central office. Banded OutWATS only allowed access to CONUS, AK/HI, and PR/USVI (and possibly now Guam/CNMI) -- i.e. "US" rated points). Prior to around 1986, it was relatively "easy" to differentiate between PR/USVI and non-US 809 locations... Throughout the 1960's/70's/early 80's, Puerto Rico was exclusively 809-7NX (except 809-77X) and 809-8NX -- and US VI was exclusively 809-77X. "Four-digit" translation or examination of digits could be done -- i.e., if the first four digits are 8097 or 8098, then the call is permitted, but if it is any _other_ 809N (other than 8097 or 8098), then special procedures (including blocking) may need to be done. Also, PR and USVI became customer-originated DDD-able from the CON-US (and maybe Canada?) circa 1966/67, as 809-NNX-xxxx. However, it was still many years before the non-US 809 points were customer-DDD-able from the US. Most originating 4(A/M) XB and XB-Tandem toll/tandem switches didn't want to have to do full six-digit translation on each and every "valid" 809-NNX code. So, 809 was simply 3-digit translated and shipped to the 4A in Jacksonville FL. Only then would 809 be fully six-digit'd down to the 809+NNX level. If the code of the desired number were NOT 809-7NX or 809-8NX (or if it was for an UNassigned / vacant 809-7/8NX), then Jacksonville would block the call and play a recorded announcement instructing that only Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands were customer dialable at this time -- and to please call the operator for assistance in calling to other 809/Caribbean points. And since the Jacksonville 4A had no way of knowing whether or not the incoming request as 809-NNX-xxxx were from an operator or a customer, while it was ultimately intended (and TPM billing procedures _did_ "mark-sense" all of the NANP-Caribbean whether US or "intl" as 809-NNX) that the NANP-Caribbean (including non-US) be dialable as 809-NNX, any cordboard/TSP/TSPS Operator who could originate as OTD (Operator Toll Dialing), which was basically the same as the customer's DDD, would need to reach the non-US Caribbean with special 1XX routing codes -- each of the major Caribbean islands or groups of islands had their own unique "Operator / pseudo" NPA codes of the 1XX form. She would key a 1XX followed by the seven-digit number to dial to that specific NANP-Caribbean number that was still not yet customer-dialable. Since customers were not "supposed" to have access to 1XX/0XX network/operator routing codes, the Jacksonville 4A could recognize the 1XX-NNX-xxxx string and route down to that Caribbean location, "thinking" that the call was being handled (and ticketed/billed) by a telco Operator! MARK_J._CUCCIA__PHONE/WRITE/WIRE/CABLE:__HOME:__(USA)__Tel:_CHestnut-1-2497 WORK:__mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu|4710-Wright-Road|__(+1-504-241-2497) Tel:UNiversity-5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New-Orleans-28__|fwds-on-no-answr-to Fax:UNiversity-5-5917(+1-504-865-5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail- NWORLASKCG0 (BellSouth #1AESS Cl.5 Local "Seabrook" 504-24x-) to become a #5ESS (yeah!), NWORLASKDS0, 12:01am SAT-11-NOV-2000 NWORLAIYCM3 (BellSouth-Mobility Ericsson Cellular-MTSO NOL) NWORLAMT01T (BellSouth DMS-100 "Metairie" Tndm; Cellular routes thru) NWORLAMA0GT (BellSouth DMS-100/200 inTRA-LATA/fg.BCD Tndm "Main" 504+) NWORLAMA20T (BellSouth DMS-200 TOPS:inLATA OprSvcTndm "Main" 504+053+) NWORLAMA04T (AT&T #4ESS Class-2 Toll 060-T / 504-2T "Main" 504+) JCSNMSPS06T (AT&T #5ESS OSPS:Operator-Services-Tandem 601-0T 601+121) JCSNMSPS14T (AT&T #4ESS Class-3 Toll 040-T / 601-2T; OSPS routes thru) NWORLAELH01 (PBX NEC-2400 504-862-3/8xxx, 504-865-4/5/6xxx) NWORLACADS0 (BellSo.DMS-100 Cl.5 Lcl "Carrollton" 504-86x-;PBX 'homes'on) ========================================================================= - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 13:16:09 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EPIC and Amazon.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: EPIC and Amazon.com From: "EPIC News" September 13, 2000 Washington, DC Dear EPIC subscriber: I am writing to you regarding EPIC's relationship with Amazon.com, the Internet-based bookseller. In 1996 the Electronic Privacy Information Center became one of the first "Amazon Affiliates." We believed at the time that Amazon was offering a valuable new service to Internet users. We assembled a list of important books on privacy, free speech, cryptography, and open government and made these titles available through our web site in association with Amazon. In 1998 we signed up for "Amazon Advantage." This program allowed us to distribute the various reports that EPIC publishes, including our "Privacy Law Sourcebook," our annual reports on "Privacy and Human Rights" and "Cryptography and Liberty," as well as "Filters and Freedom." We were generally pleased with the Amazon privacy policy. We understood that Amazon did not disclose personally identifiable information to Amazon affiliates. Amazon also made available to its customers an extensive record of customer information, the type of profiling data that many companies do not disclose. And Amazon offered assurances that it would not disclose customer information to third parties. We believed at the time that this business model, together with strong legal and technical measures, could provide a new and more robust form of commerce that would benefit consumers and protect online privacy. Over the years we received several complaints about Amazon. Some people objected to the spam that Amazon sent, others to the Purchase Circle program, and still others to the impact on independent booksellers. The largest number of complaints centered on the one-click patent application that Amazon aggressively pursued. We appreciated the comments and respected the concerns. We said that we would always make our publications directly available so that no one would be required to buy an EPIC publication from Amazon. We also continued to press publicly for Amazon to be more responsive to the privacy concerns of Internet users. Recently Amazon announced that it could no longer guarantee that it would not disclose customer information to third parties. Because of this decision, and in the absence of legal or technical means to assure privacy for Amazon customers, we have decided that we can no longer continue our relationship with Amazon. Over the next several weeks we will take steps to sever our ties with Amazon. This will mean finding a new way to distribute our publications and other publications on privacy, free speech, and related topics. In the interim, you can continue to order all of EPIC's publications directly from us. The web address for the EPIC Bookstore is http://www.epic.org/bookstore. We will notify you when we resume the sale of other publications that we think will be of interest to our subscribers. We appreciate your comments on this matter. We apologize for any disruption in service that might result from this change. We are eager to make our publications and the publications of others available to you, but the protection of privacy must come first. Marc Rotenberg Executive Director Electronic Privacy Information Center - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:56:37 -0400 From: mobmmbr Subject: Re: CATV Phone Service Both Cox Communications and Qwest are offering dial tone over CATV in the Phoenix area. And they are also circuit switching technology. Qwests system marries up the POTS service and the VDSL service at a cross connect box in the field, and then feeds it to the user over their existing POTS line. Cox puts their dial tone on at the Head end and then feed it over their CATV network. Of the two I personally think the Qwest product is much better if they can come up with a way to keep the broadcast levels up during peak usage hours. Cox's POTS is of lesser quality than POTS only service, but then they are the new kids on this particular block. Marvin A Sirbu wrote: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.dcom.telecom: 12-Sep-100 CATV Phone Service > Marty Brenneis@sparkolog (561*) > > > Can some wizardly netizen point me at a description of how the CATV > > phone networks work? I'm curious. I know how traditional POTS works > > with a copper pair running back to a switch in a CO. > > > I got to wondering if the signal that is created by the CATV to phone > > box that is installed by the local cable company is de-moded and fed to > > a regular switch, or is it packet switched some how. > > > Post here so all can learn. > > To date, all of the CATV-based telephony services that have been offered > use circuit switching, not packet switching. > > The first major trial of IP telephony over cable is about to get > underway in Montreal as an offering of Videotron, Quebec's major MSO. > Expect ATT Broadband to begin its own trials within a year. > > See: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000814/pa_motorol.html > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- "This," cried the Mayor, "is your town's darkest hour! The time for all Whos who have blood that is red To come to the aid of their country!" he said. "We've got to make noises in greater amounts! So, open your mouth, lad! For every voice counts!" --Dr. Seuss -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 16:54:46 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Lawmakers call for Net privacy legislation Lawmakers call for Net privacy legislation WASHINGTON (Bloomberg) - The U.S. Congress must set minimum guidelines to protect consumers' privacy on the Internet, two key legislators said, while acknowledging that industry has made substantial progress to guard personal data. Legislation should require that every Web site post privacy policies, let users prohibit companies from collecting information, supersede any state laws and give U.S. regulators the power to enforce and review policies, said Representative Rick Boucher, a Virginia Democrat. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/cti520.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 18:54:21 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: What's more rare than a public phone? >Service for public phones has been going down for years probably due to the >fact that so many people now have cell phone service. That's why you pay >at least $.35 for a local call. You just live in the wrong place. Here in beautiful Trumansburg the LEC's payphones still require a dime, deposited when the called party answers. Most other places in New York it's a quarter, LEC or COCOT. In fairness, pay phones were a nickel most places in 1950, and a dime most places in 1965, which are equivalent to 36 cents and 54 cents in inflated 2000 dollars. Pay phones cost about what they always did, although I agree that they do now too often come equipped with booby traps, e.g., operator services that charge you $6 for a call that would have cost 40 cents with a decent calling card. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 19:07:45 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: What's more rare than a public phone? Joseph Singer wrote... >Service for public phones has been going down for years probably due to the >fact that so many people now have cell phone service. That's why you pay >at least $.35 for a local call. Here in Japan, where telecommunications costs are generally much higher than in the US, payphones are still 10 yen (roughly a dime) for three minutes local. But their number is fast dwindling as cell phones proliferate. Interestingly, this trend intersects NTT's program of replacing conventional payphones with newfangled ISDN models. Anyway, cell phones are obviously much more useful than payphones in most situations. Like last night when our daughter, bicycling home from school in the rain, got hit by a car. We got the news immediately from her cell phone and were directed to the location by keeping in touch with a good Samaritan on our own PHS (micro-cell unit), arriving by taxi soon after the ambulance. Payphones would have been no good in that case. (She's fine now, happily.) - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 19:53:48 -0400 From: "Michi Kaifu" Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless > Anthony Argyriou wrote: > In the SF Bay Area, the wireline provider was GTE > Mobilenet, and the non-wireline was MacCaw Cellular, operating under the > Cellular One brand. OK, so GTE got "B" band (wireline), so that partly explains my problem. I still am a bit puzzled because PacBell (AirTouch's former parent) is the dominant WIRELINE carrier around here. Maybe GTE has some significant wireline service area somewhere in SF MSA. Michi Kaifu michi@pop.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 20:11:26 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless >OK, so GTE got "B" band (wireline), so that partly explains my problem. I >still am a bit puzzled because PacBell (AirTouch's former parent) is the >dominant WIRELINE carrier around here. Maybe GTE has some significant >wireline service area somewhere in SF MSA. It is my understanding that in areas with multiple ILECs, there was a lottery to see which ILEC got the franchise. In practice, the ILECS formed up into a small number of bidding groups (often just one, making the lottery a sham), dividing up ownership and assigning the operations to one of them. Around here, for example, my small rural ILEC won the lottery, but the franchise was (after a very long and eventually unsuccessfull challenge by a another nearby Indian tribe) co-owned by NYNEX and Frontier, and operated by Frontier, then merged into BAMS and now Verizon. Dunno if my ILEC is still a silent partner or if they were bought out. This occasionally had peculiar results, as in Cape Cod and adjacent islands where the ILEC was New England Tel, except for one small island with a tiny ILEC owned by Malcolm Forbes. It's so small it doesn't even have a switch, just runs all the wires under the harbor to Bell's Falmouth switch, but they were plenty real to get into the cell lottery. I think they made a deal with NET, after a long challenge by the Gay Head Indian tribe on Martha's Vineyard. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 20:15:01 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Carl Moore wrote: > Last weekend, KYW news-radio in Philadelphia broadcast a warning about > a pager scam, and pointed out that the large number of area codes made > it easier to pull off such a scam. The scam is paging someone with a > number which turns out to be an expensive pay-per-call line. (Any ideas > of what area codes might be involved?) The counter to this (not in the > words used in that broadcast) is doing your homework by finding out where > the number you would be calling is. This is an urban legend at least 15 years old. US and Canadian pay-per-call numbers (except area code 900) can only be reached from their local areas (LATAs) for exactly this reason. There are some scams using 011 (overseas country code) numbers, some of which aren't even located in the country the code would imply, but the FCC requires US telcos to block access to those numbers. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2000 21:12:35 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam >> Last weekend, KYW news-radio in Philadelphia broadcast a warning about >> a pager scam, and pointed out that the large number of area codes made >> it easier to pull off such a scam. The scam is paging someone with a >> number which turns out to be an expensive pay-per-call line. (Any ideas >> of what area codes might be involved?) The counter to this (not in the >> words used in that broadcast) is doing your homework by finding out where >> the number you would be calling is. > >This is an urban legend at least 15 years old. US and Canadian >pay-per-call numbers (except area code 900) can only be reached from their >local areas (LATAs) for exactly this reason. Unlike some urban legends, this one is at least partially true; I've heard plausible reports of pager spam in New York City to surcharged 554 numbers. A big part of the problem is that there's no consistency to which prefixes are used for surcharged numbers, and they're not well publicised. -John] - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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Thu Sep 14 18:09:56 2000 Date: 14 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000914101512.7293.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #53 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: dd5cba2adba6952073d8d915f4d7bee4 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, September 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 053 In this issue: EM693 (08/31/00): The Counter-Money Laundering Act: An Attack on Privacy and Civil Liberties -- Heritage Foundation Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Sep 2000 03:34:57 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EM693 (08/31/00): The Counter-Money Laundering Act: An Attack on Privacy and Civil Liberties -- Heritage Foundation THE COUNTER-MONEY LAUNDERING ACT: AN ATTACK ON PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES Congress has renewed its efforts to combat international money laundering in recent months. In the House of Representatives, Representative Jim Leach (R-IA) has introduced H.R. 3886, the International Counter-Money Laundering Act, which has moved swiftly through the Banking Committee and is now positioned to move to the House floor. In the Senate, John Kerry (D-MA) has introduced an identical bill, S. 2972. http://www.heritage.org/library/execmemo/em693.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 05:59:06 -0400 From: blackhole@handheld.net Subject: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Radio Shack stores are handing out free barcode scanners in the shape of a cat to their customers. Rather than try to explain it further, I'll refer you to the maker's web page: http://www.getcat.com The idea is that when you want more information on a product in the Radio Shack catalog, you scan a (rather odd, diagonal) barcode and it will take you right to a web page featuring that product. But in theory, you can also scan other kinds of barcodes (including the ubiquitous UPC code) and get to semi-relevant pages. Ironically, the device seems far more reliable when scanning regular UPC's than when scanning the codes in the Radio Shack catalog (but maybe that's just because I didn't scan them correctly). There are, however, some non-obvious catches to this offer. The first is that in order to make the scanner work you have to install their software (they give you a CD, or you can download it at the above web site). The software seems quite large for what one would expect to be a glorified barcode scanner driver, coming in at over 3 and a half megs (that's the downloadable version; I did not try the CD). But the real problem is that in order to actually use the software (and therefore the scanner), you have to go back to the company's Web site and register it. In doing this, you are asked for your name, e-mail address, and if I recall correctly, your age and gender. When you register, they e-mail you an activation code at the address you gave when you registered (thus they know that they at least have a valid e-mail address, assuming you're not using a "throwaway" e-mail account). So when you put the activation code into the software, from then on it knows exactly who you are. But it gets better. Whenever you scan something, each scan actually sends three data items back through the keyboard port (encoded using a rather simplistic algorithm that has been explained on at least a couple of Web pages): A serial number that is unique to the scanner, a three-character code showing the type of barcode scanned (and for a free device, it seems to handle an amazing number of different types of codes), and the barcode data itself. So every time you scan something, it knows which scanner is being used and the activation code. I'm assuming all of this is then transmitted back to the company that made the thing, and then they serve up what they consider to be an appropriate Web page. Of course, the software installs itself into your startup menu, so it is always on while you are surfing the Web. Now, when you register for that activation code, you get back an e-mail that has a Subject line of "DigitalConvergence License Agreement", and in the body of the message it states the following: >Please read the updated Licensee Agreement. Scroll to the end of this document to get your activation code. > > >:CRQ(TM) Software and :CueCat(TM) Reader Hardware License > >Please read the following license agreement carefully before using this software or hardware as you are agreeing to be bound by the following terms and conditions of this license. You agree to the terms and conditions of this license by performing ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS: (1) using the :CRQ software; (2) using the :CueCat reader (3) pressing the "agree" button below; OR (4) printing out a copy of the agreement, signing the agreement and returning a copy to Digital:Convergence(TM). If you do not agree to the terms and conditions of this license, do not press the "agree" button or engage in any of the foregoing acts. > >Not all actions may be available with each copy of this agreement. [..... No fooling, there is certainly no "agree" button in this e-mail! .....] >Copyright > >:CRQ and :CueCat are trademarks of DigitalConvergence.:com Inc. Copyright 1999-2000 DigitalConvergence.:com Inc. All rights reserved. > >License > >This is a license, not a sales agreement, between you, the end user, and >DigitalConvergence.:com Inc. ("Digital:Convergence"). > >The software, documentation and any fonts accompanying this License whether on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (the ":CRQ software") are licensed to you by Digital:Convergence. The :CRQ software and any copies made and/or distributed under this License are >subject to this License. > >The :CueCat reader is licensed to you by Digital:Convergence. The :CueCat reader distributed under this License is subject to this License. [..... Whoa... LICENSED to me? No, it was GIVEN to me by a Radio Shack store employee, who did not even bother to take any of my personal information when I balked at giving my address .....] >Digital:Convergence retains all title to and ownership of the Software and reserves all rights not expressly granted to you. All rights, title, interest, and all >copyrights in and to the software, documentation, and any copy made by you remain with Digital:Convergence. > >Permitted Uses and Restrictions > >This License allows you to install and use the :CueCat reader and :CRQ software on a single computer at a time. This License does not allow the :CRQ software to exist on more than one computer at a time. You may use the Software only on a stand-alone basis, such that the Software and the functions it provides are accessible only to persons who are physically present at the location of the computer on which the Software is loaded. You may not allow the Software or its functions to be accessed remotely, or transmit all or any portion of the Software through any network or communication line. You may make one copy of the :CRQ software in machine-readable form for backup purposes only in support of your use of the Software on a single computer, provided that you reproduce on the copy all copyright and other proprietary rights notices included on the originals of the Software. The backup copy must include all copyright information contained on the original. You acknowledge that ! the! > Software and :CueCat reader contain trade secrets and other proprietary information of Digital:Convergence and its licensors. Except as expressly permitted in this License, you may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, sublicense, distribute or create derivative works based upon the :CRQ software or :CueCat reader in whole or part or transmit the :CRQ software over a network or from one computer to another. The :CueCat reader is only on loan to you from Digital:Convergence and may be recalled at any time. Without limiting the foregoing, your possession or control of the :CueCat reader does not transfer any right, title or interest to you in the :CueCat reader. Except as expressly permitted in this License, you may not reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, sublicense, or distribute the :CueCat reader. In any event, you will notify Digital:Convergence of any information derived from reverse engineering or such other act! ivi! >ties, and the results thereof will constitute the confidential information of Digital:Convergence that may be used only in connection with the Software and :CueCat reader. Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Digital:Convergence if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. [... End of excerpt from the agreement. After this there is the usual "Disclaimer of Warranty" on both the software and the reader, followed by a "Limitation of Liability", some more legalese, and finally they give you your unique activation code.] I apologize for the long quotes, but did you notice that buried in there was this startling revelation: "The :CueCat reader is only on loan to you from Digital:Convergence and may be recalled at any time." And that was surrounded by all sorts of language saying what you may not do (any kind of reverse engineering, etc.). The problem is, they have it all backwards. As I say, I was handed this device by a store employee, and I never agreed to a thing, in particular not that the device was "on loan" to me and also not that I would not reverse engineer it (not that I could if I wanted to, I'm just making the point here). After I read this I did not use their software, not even once, simply because I did not want to do anything that some judge might construe as me "agreeing" with the above nonsense. I don't agree to a word of it. So already, you have the following risks. You have a piece of software running on your system (if you go ahead and run it) that knows every single item you scan (wonder how many people scan the barcode on their driver's license just to see what happens?), knows your personal activation code, and knows exactly which scanner you are using (because of the unique serial number). And perhaps you may give additional information at some point while using this product. That can all be collected and stored. Also this software seems pretty bloated by my way of thinking, I really wonder what it does that makes it take up so much real estate on the user's hard drive. And, since "you may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble ..." the software, there's really no easy way of knowing what sort of information it's sending out - is it limiting itself to sending just the output of the scanner, or does it include any personal data? In theory a program that large could have some rou! tines to track all your web surfing, though I must emphasize that I have absolutely NO evidence that anything like that is taking place (remember, I did not use their software, because I do not agree to their license). Now you may be thinking, well, I'll just get the free scanner, throw their software away, and never apply for an activation code. You can do that, but the company takes a very dim view of it. While they may not be able to claim that the scanner is "on loan" to you under those circumstances (well, they can claim it but I for one will laugh heartily), they seem to be trying to do everything in their power to make sure that the scanner is useless to you unless you install their software. It is relatively simple to write software to convert the information sent by the scanner to plain text (WITHOUT reverse engineering their software) and several people have done so, but every time DigitalConvergence gets wind of it, they have their lawyers send a nasty letter containing threats. These have deterred some folks, but not others. In my opinion - and I Am Not A Lawyer - if you don't use their software (and don't in some other way affirmatively agree to the terms of their license), they REALLY don't have a leg to stand on, since Radio Shack doesn't make you agree to anything when they give you the device. Since this isn't a technical discussion list, I'll stop there, but if you want more details of the "nuts and bolts" of this device (including ways to turn it into something useful without running the supplied software), type "CueCat" (no space) into a search server like DogPile, or into DejaNews' Usenet search and you will find quite a few links. Another good starting point is at http://www.logorrhea.com/cuecat/mirrors.html. But if you find any software you like, I'd grab it now before the lawyers discover the site. By the way, the best Windows software I have found on the web is called "catnip" (look for a file called "catnip.zip", 25,811 bytes in length, it's sort of like a Windows driver for the device that lets you scan barcodes into any application that accepts text input. I did not write it and I don't take any responsibility for it, so I'm not going to say any more about it than that). Given the widespread distribution of this device, I am really surprised that the privacy implications (not to mention the absurd license agreement) seem to have been ignored by most of the major computer media, but then Radio Shack does buy a lot of advertising. Considering how slow the media usually is to react to a story, I expect this might be a hot topic in maybe 2 or 3 months. :-) But in my opinion, Radio Shack ought to be ashamed of itself for distributing a device like this with such a ridiculous license attached - they know that a good percentage of their customers are techie-types (otherwise they would not sell electronic components), many of whom are not going to be able to resist the urge to poke, prod, and play with this thing in ways not originally intended by the manufacturer. Not only that, but the stupid license agreement probably keeps a lot of people from even trying out the included software. I for one would love to see what kind of web sites it would! whisk me away to if I scanned various items, but not at the expense of my privacy! Any bets on whether these barcodes will be found in *next* year's Radio Shack catalog? O.B. Telecom-related: The first part of the Radio Shack Catalog (probably the first 70 pages or so) is all telephone-related gear. I haven't had a Shack catalog in several years and was quite surprised at the level of sophistication of the phone equipment they're selling now. They're still not in the category of a "Hello Direct" or similar company, and I have no idea how competitive their prices are, but if you need phone gear you just may be surprised at what they do offer now. P.S. Since the Digest is echoed to Usenet, the return e-mail address really is a "black hole" that will either bounce e-mail or just eat it 99.99% of the time. If you have something significant to add to what I've said, please do so via the Digest. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #53 ******************************* From ???@??? Fri Sep 15 10:04:30 2000 Date: 15 Sep 2000 06:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20000915101516.4354.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #54 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: a03424e00d8ad93f4bc1e161fed46f2f Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, September 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 054 In this issue: Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless ads RE: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compro mised? Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless Re: CWA Operating verizonREALLYsucks Web Site Office COCOT??? Lucent DSA Software C++ Telephony Developer, High Salary / Referral Fees Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? 9/14/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless Re: a news report warning of pager scam ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Sep 2000 06:45:50 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) In article <8pns9a$b5v$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, wrote: > David Lind wrote: > > Looks like the Canadians are headed towards wireless number portability in > > 2001. Wonder if this will ever happen in the US? Even number portability > > between wireless carriers would be welcomed. > > > TORONTO (Reuters) - Canadian consumers won't have to change home numbers if > > they move exclusively to a cellular phone and can even get their wireless > > number listed in the white pages under little noticed federal regulatory > > rulings. Analysts said the changes effectively put cellular companies on par > > with the big traditional phone companies as regulators begin to embrace the > > soaring demand for wireless communications in Canada... > > This is what I am waiting for in the USA. It is already apparent to > me that I could save a few dollars per month if I went to a cellular > phone in place of my wired line. If I could transfer my current home > number to a cellular service I would do it tomorrow. > > I hope the FCC gets on the ball and makes this happen, though they > haven't gotten universal caller ID to work yet, so I won't hold > my breath. > So far, in the US the attitude of wireless carriers is... we own the number, the number is associated with the phone which only works with our technology. If you switch carriers/technology you lose your phone number. Oh, and the carriers don't want a seperate area code for cell phones, that would be treating wireless carriers unfairly. My simple explanation is... wireless carriers want all the benifits of landline status without landline benifits for consumers. I say, get a unique area code for wireless or play by landline rules. I suspect any change to be verry drawn out. There is little motivation to set up number portability either politically or technically. -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 07:19:21 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless In article <009401c01ddc$80df43a0$0b00a8c0@michi>, "Michi Kaifu" wrote: > > Anthony Argyriou wrote: > > > In the SF Bay Area, the wireline provider was GTE > > Mobilenet, and the non-wireline was MacCaw Cellular, operating under the > > Cellular One brand. > > OK, so GTE got "B" band (wireline), so that partly explains my problem. I > still am a bit puzzled because PacBell (AirTouch's former parent) is the > dominant WIRELINE carrier around here. Maybe GTE has some significant > wireline service area somewhere in SF MSA. > SBC acquired Pacific Bell and canned (a few to many) skilled employees around 1997. Pac Bell of CA operates a 1900 mhz GSM PCS wireless in CA and Nevada. GTE, I believe, has some customers in the south bay. SBC wants to offer long distance to local customers but has not opened access to their local network enough to satisfy regulators. Pac Bell wireless is forming nation wide roaming agreements with other GSM carriers to keep up with competition from other wireless carriers. -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:58:17 -0400 From: Stephen Rottenberg Subject: ads Dear Patrick: It has been awhile since last visiting the site, and everything has changed. I was unable to find the classified want ads which use to run for positions available in radio broadcasting. Is there a new site specifically for the ads? Thank you for your response. Stephen Rottenberg srottenberg@netscape.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:46:48 -0400 From: "Green, Andrew" Subject: RE: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compro mised? Time does not permit a detailed response to that lengthy post so I'll just make the following observations: o This seems to be more of a privacy issue than a telecom issue, so there is quite likely a debate about it already raging in the privacy forums o There's a similar big push for it going on in "Parade" magazine, the flimsy supplement stuffed into Sunday newspapers o The barcode is only "italicized" for recognition by the (human) reader; the scanner doesn't care o I do think it's a clever idea to provide a lookup table enabling consumers to scan the UPC of a product and go directly to that manufacturer's website or whatever other URL is associated with that particular barcode, and in that detail alone I think the company stands to make its biggest fortune, what with selling the access, tracking the statistics and so on. By comparison, getting yet another proprietary barcode system into common use is going to be a bigger hurdle for them -- how many people are still using those VCRplus codes in the TV listings? o Anytime you're asked for an email address in a situation like this, use a free throwaway account such as Hotmail that you can walk away from after the followup spam reaches excessive levels o The licensing agreement is indeed ludicrous but by the same token is practically unenforceable. It is not too unusual, however; if memory serves, a lot of your credit cards are also the property of the issuing company and are, technically at least, recallable upon request o Yes, it's tracking what you select. Of _course_ it's tracking what you select; so are the "Preferred Shopper" discount cards at the supermarket (which seem to go to much more effort in their signup procedures to identify who you really are). Its only useful function to the consumer appears to be to allow more accurate entry of URLs into browsers by people who cannot type. In this day and age, you need extra common sense about what you're signing up for and what information you're going to be revealing. - -- Andrew C. Green Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 10:57:15 -0400 From: Howard S Wharton Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? You're right, the bar codes did make it to every item in the new Radio Shack catalog. Howard S. Wharton Fire Safety Technician Occupational and Environmental Safety Services State University of New York at Buffalo - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:30:31 -0400 From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? In article <4.3.2.7.2.20000913103053.00c234e0@pop.novagate.com>, blackhole@handheld.net says... Your posting FAILED becuase it was not formated for 74 column wrapping. Not only is the text unreadable at 132 column WinVN, long lines have been truncated. Help us out by verifying readability before posting. Would love to read other users' comments on the Cat bar code scanner. matthew - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:27:46 -0400 From: Fred Goldstein Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless In V2000I52, John Levine writes, >This occasionally had peculiar results, as in Cape Cod and adjacent >islands where the ILEC was New England Tel, except for one small >island with a tiny ILEC owned by Malcolm Forbes. It's so small it >doesn't even have a switch, just runs all the wires under the harbor >to Bell's Falmouth switch, but they were plenty real to get into the >cell lottery. I think they made a deal with NET, after a long >challenge by the Gay Head Indian tribe on Martha's Vineyard. Small clarification. The Elizabeth Island Telephone Company (Naushon Island, MA rate center, now 508-299) was owned by the Forbes family, which owned the entire island. But not Malcolm Forbes. There are two different wealthy, politically-connected Forbes families. The Naushon Forbes' are the other ones from Malcolm/Steve et al. Their most famous member today is Senator John Forbes Kerry, runner-up in the recent "who wants to be Gore's running-mate" contest. Easy to tell apart; the Democratic Forbes family owns Naushon, while the Republican Forbes family owns what's left of a magazine. Elizabeth Island Tel was purchased by NYNEX in order to get them out of the B-side cell license lottery, in which they each got one ticket (out of two). Just for the fun-facts record, Naushon is one of the two large islands in the Elizabeth chain, just off Cape Cod. Naushon is closer to Falmouth than the other one, Cuttyhunk, which has a small (~50) year-round population and some summer people. Cuttyhunk's telephone service is provided by New England Tel (d/b/a VZ or whatever these days) using a radio link to New Bedford, the nearest point on the mainland. It used to have a WWII-vintage submarine cable, but that was cut by a fishing boat (ca. 1989?) and not repairable. NETel spent around $200k to install the radio link using trailing-edge technology; I'm sure it could be done for a fraction of that today using current products. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:53:48 -0400 From: "Jenn" Subject: Re: CWA Operating verizonREALLYsucks Web Site I have a wav of the 2600 hz tone at the site in my sig btw. jenn - -- the web page you have reached ______ http://twpyhr.usuck.com ,(_.--._) Over 300 telephone sounds and recordings. : / :: \ The Unofficial Touch Tone Tunes FAQ. `------' The Phoney Dance. Normand Veilleux - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 17:44:29 -0400 From: Roy Smith Subject: Office COCOT??? We recently put up some office space in an off-campus building. After exploring the options to trunk the remote phones back to our campus switch, we decided the fastest/cheapest/easiest way to get phone service in there would be to just have Hell Atlantic (there were still that at the time) run in a bunch of POTS lines for these folks. Today I was over there and needed to make a phone call. So I picked up one of the phones and dialed. I was surprised and amused to hear a (very poor audio quality) recording saying, "The call you have made requires a 25 cent deposit. Please hang up, deposit 25 cents, and try your call again". I was rolling on the floor. Of course, the folks in the office weren't very amused; they've been trying to get it fixed for the two months since they moved in there. - -- Roy Smith New York University School of Medicine - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 20:08:20 -0400 From: "David De Trolio" Subject: Lucent DSA Software Hi all! I am using Lucent's Definity Systems Administration software to manage my ProLogix and G3 ECS systems across the country. We have one site connected using Lucent's VoIP (fair results so far) and the rest using DCS with AT&T Point to Point lines. Since the switches and the Intuity are all joined together using IP, I should be able to connect to each of them using the networking function of DSA. Each time my manager and I have tried it, we get a no response or a failure to connect. I do have the most current version, and using the modem into the INADS line I connect and administrate fine. Anyone else run into this problem and have a solution? Thanks...Dave anks...Dave - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 21:05:55 -0400 From: "Rusten McKenzie" Subject: C++ Telephony Developer, High Salary / Referral Fees POSITION: [Senior C++ Developer with Telephony Experience] LOCATION: [Telecommute] or [Moving allowance to West Palm Beach, Florida] TYPE: [Permanent, Full Time] SALARY: $70,000 to $100,000 Plus unparallelled incentives including: - Full benefits package, 2 weeks paid vacation annually - Stock Options - Performance Bonus - Education/Training Allowance REFERRALS: We pay $2,500 to anyone referring a new employee REQUIREMENTS: - 3+ Years of Dialogic/NMS/Other CT hardware experience - 4+ Years of C++ experience - Understanding of telecom principles - Familiarity with OO principles, design methodologies, and new libraries/interfaces such as ATL and COM (Note: I work for this company, we are not an employment agency) For more information, contact: Rusten McKenzie via email: rusten@intelliswitch.com - or read details below: Description: The position of Senior CTI Software Engineer will be responsible for developing computer telephony switching code to run on PC telecom hardware, such as Dialogic and Natural Micro Systems. This position will work with others on a full product life cycle from planning and design to development, stress testing and implementation. This position primarily requires C++ development skills and Dialogic/other telecom hardware API's. About the company: Intelliswitch, Inc. is an award winning pre- IPO telecommunications technology company located in West Palm Beach, FL. We develop VoIP gateways, prepaid calling card platforms, and tandem switches with value-add features. We deploy equipment for next generation telcos as well as our own phone network. Technology is the foundation of our business and skilled software engineers are the most critical component to our success. Due to the nature of the business, all software engineers receive the latest training while working with the newest technologies and equipment. We provide a unique team oriented environment that is development-centric, removing developers from office politics and support issues. Intelliswitch maintains the highest quality personnel by offering excellent benefits, fun working environment and unparalleled incentives. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 21:35:29 -0400 From: mattack@vax.area.com (Matt Ackeret) Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? In article <4.3.2.7.2.20000913103053.00c234e0@pop.novagate.com>, wrote: >originals of the Software. The backup copy must include all copyright >information contained on the original. You acknowledge that ! >the! >> Software and :CueCat reader contain trade secrets and other Your post has a lot of strange cut-off lines like this, with !s added at the end of the cut off lines. (I responded via email, but only later read the end of the message saying you don't get email. It REALLY sucks to have to post messages like this instead of responding via email where it really belongs.) - -- mattack@area.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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Sullivan" Subject: Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) "David Lind" wrote in message news:8pqa8e$9s8$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8pns9a$b5v$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, > wrote: > > David Lind wrote: > > > Looks like the Canadians are headed towards wireless number portability in > > > 2001. Wonder if this will ever happen in the US? Even number portability > > > between wireless carriers would be welcomed. Wireless carriers in the US are currently under an obligation to implement local number portability (LNP) by November 2001. The wireless LNP date has been extended due to the technical complexity involved. The problem that has to be surmounted is this: In a wireline system, the number exists only in the telephone company's switch, not the phone. Any wireline phone can be used on any phone line and will respond when the telco's switch sends a ring signal down the line. It's different in a wireless system; the number needs to be programmed into three places, basically: the carrier's switch, the phone, and in a roaming database. If your phone is in its home market, when a call comes into the switch, it locates the phone by sending out "pages" with your phone number; the phone is always listening to the signaling stream from the local cell site whenever it's turned on, and it recognizes its number and silently responds with an acknowledgement ("Here I am! NPA-NXX-XXXX reporting for duty!"). This tells the switch what cell site to use to set up a call to the phone, and the switch then tells the phone what channel or code to use for receiving the call. The phone then switches to that channel or code, exchanges some setup information, and then plays "In-a-gadda-da-vida" or whatever tune it uses to "ring." If wireless phones were just used locally, LNP could be accomplished simply by programming the ported number into the phone and having the switch send that number out. However, wireless phones aren't just used locally. One of the most important features of cellular, PCS, and Nextel-style SMR phones is that they can "roam," or be used in any other technically compatible system nationwide. The way roaming works is roughly like this: If you take your phone to another market and turn it on, it checks the setup channel and recognizes that a different system's ID code is being broadcast, so it turns on the "roam" indicator and silently sends the host system its phone number to let it know it's in town. The host system sends the number to a clearinghouse, which identifies the home carrier associated with the phone's number and stores this in a database. It is able to tell this from the first six digits of the phone number, "NPA-NXX." If a call is made to the phone's number back home, the home carrier notices that the phone doesn't respond to a page, then checks the roaming database at the clearinghouse. If the phone has registered as a roamer, the home system forwards the call to the host system, which puts it through by, again, paging the phone by its phone number, etc. Similarly, if you try to place a call while roaming, the host system inquires, via the clearinghouse roaming database, which system is your home system, validates your number, gets the necessary billing information, and then lets you place your call and bills you through your home carrier. This entire roaming system comes to a crashing halt if the phone number programmed into the phone can't be mapped correctly to your host carrier on the basis of the first six digits of the phone number. The phones and the roaming system were not designed to have a phone number that isn't instantly recognizable as belonging to a specific carrier. If you have ported your landline number to a wireless phone, the roaming database will look at the first six digits and report back that it can't identify your carrier because it's not a valid wireless phone number. If you have ported your number from one wireless carrier to another, the roaming database will know that it's a valid wireless prefix, but when you try to place a call, the wrong carrier will be queried, and you won't be validated. If a call comes in to your wireless number, your home carrier won't be able to forward the call, because your number doesn't bear the home carrier's NPA-NXX and the roamer database won't give your carrier information on your whereabouts. The wireless industry has been working on a solution to this: separate the number used inside the phone for identification from the number used for dialing. Right now the same number (your phone number) is used for both, and is known as the Mobile Identification Number or MIN. The new system will continue to use a MIN to identify the phone, but it won't necessarily be your phone number. Your phone number will be the Mobile Directory Number or MDN. The separation of the MIN and MDN will allow the roaming database to identify your home carrier from the MIN. The carriers will translate between MIN and MDN for placing or receiving calls by reference to a translation table or database. So, if you currently have phone number 555-888-0001, that is programmed into the phone as your MIN. Right now, that's your MDN and your MIN. When you decide to move to a different carrier, your MDN will be ported to the new carrier and will remain the same, but the MIN will have to be reprogrammed to identify your phone as being with your new carrier. When you roam, the MIN will be used to set up the roaming as now, but your MDN will be programmed into the home carrier's switch and used for receiving calls. This is obviously a huge and complex effort, and requires more time than making wireline number portability possible, since the entire country will have to cut over to the new system at once for roaming to work. Wireline number portability simply requires, well, porting a number locally between the two carriers involved. Is that clear as mud? > > > TORONTO (Reuters) - Canadian consumers won't have to change home numbers if > > > they move exclusively to a cellular phone and can even get their wireless > > > number listed in the white pages under little noticed federal regulatory > > > rulings. Analysts said the changes effectively put cellular companies on par > > > with the big traditional phone companies as regulators begin to embrace the > > > soaring demand for wireless communications in Canada... > > > > This is what I am waiting for in the USA. It is already apparent to > > me that I could save a few dollars per month if I went to a cellular > > phone in place of my wired line. If I could transfer my current home > > number to a cellular service I would do it tomorrow. > > > > I hope the FCC gets on the ball and makes this happen, though they > > haven't gotten universal caller ID to work yet, so I won't hold > > my breath. The FCC has indeed mandated this. It just takes a while to rebuild the entire nation's wireless roaming systems. > So far, in the US the attitude of wireless carriers is... we own the number, > the number is associated with the phone which only works with our technology. > If you switch carriers/technology you lose your phone number. Oh, and the > carriers don't want a seperate area code for cell phones, that would be > treating wireless carriers unfairly. Tell me, how does a separate area code for wireless phones make any sense if carriers are going to be able to port numbers between wireline and wireless? The so-called wireless overlay code would not be wireless-only after November 2001. "Wireless" numbers could be ported to wireline phones and vice versa. The reason most wireless carriers don't want a wireless-only overlay code is that the regulators who want to implement this want to take back all of the old phone numbers from the wireless customers and make them get new phone numbers from the wireless overlay code. Imposing this massive disruption on wireless carriers and customers would disadvantage them tremendously, not only because the customers would have to get their phones reprogrammed and have to give out new phone numbers, but also because their new phone numbers would look like they are from a different area, requiring ten-digit dialing for wireless numbers while wireline numbers might still only need seven digits. Also, some callers might think there's a toll involved for calling a funny-looking ten-digit number. Imposing the burdens of a split or overlay on all of the carriers and their customers equally, wireline or wireless, would be competitively neutral; imposing the burdens on just wireless carriers and their customers is competitively disadvantageous to them. > My simple explanation is... wireless carriers want all the benifits of > landline status without landline benifits for consumers. That's indeed "simple," or more precisely simplistic. > I say, get a unique area code for wireless or play by landline rules. I > suspect any change to be verry drawn out. There is little motivation to set > up number portability either politically or technically. -- David Wireless carriers may or may not be motivated to implement number portability, but they are spending a lot of money to do it, because they have to. They will indeed be required to play by "landline rules," as far as number portability is concerned. - --Mike Sullivan - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 01:31:38 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless Michi Kaifu wrote: > OK, so GTE got "B" band (wireline), so that partly explains my problem. I > still am a bit puzzled because PacBell (AirTouch's former parent) is the > dominant WIRELINE carrier around here. Maybe GTE has some significant > wireline service area somewhere in SF MSA. Depends what you consider "significant". GTE has Los Gatos, Morgan Hill, Moss Beach, Pacifica, and a few other towns scattered around what used to be the extreme edges of the Bay Area. The only pattern I can see is that they chose only to serve exchanges which, because they were "remote" or mountainous, made the serving company eligible for Federal subsidies in the pre-breakup days. (A sensible strategy if the dominant carrier lets you get away with it, but I'm surprised they did.) I wonder if the subsidies still exist. That's only one or two percent of Bay Area households, but it was enough to let GTE bid against Pacific Bell for the B-band license. FWIW, AFAIK, Pacific Bell has never held any interest in McCaw/BAC1 and wasn't allowed to, though PB did act as one of many resellers of that same (but rebranded) service for several years before the AirTouch spinoff. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 01:59:53 -0400 From: djb0x7736f916@scream.org (Dan) Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam John David Galt wrote: > Carl Moore wrote: > > > Last weekend, KYW news-radio in Philadelphia broadcast a warning about > > a pager scam, and pointed out that the large number of area codes made > > it easier to pull off such a scam. The scam is paging someone with a > > number which turns out to be an expensive pay-per-call line. (Any ideas > > of what area codes might be involved?) The counter to this (not in the > > words used in that broadcast) is doing your homework by finding out where > > the number you would be calling is. > > This is an urban legend at least 15 years old. US and Canadian > pay-per-call numbers (except area code 900) can only be reached from their > local areas (LATAs) for exactly this reason. This assertion would be far more valid if NANPA only covered the U.S. and Canada, since laws and/or regulations in those countries do have the effect explained above. However, NANPA also covers the Caribbean, which means there are 16+ other nations (and their laws and regulations) at play here. Those nations tend not to have "900" numbers available. They do tend to have "extra-cost" NXXes (i.e. 664-410-XXXX), calls to which are billed at a higher rate than normal, with some of the difference going to the owner of the number. As recently as May of last year, the FCC took action against one such scam operating out of Dominica (767); a quick web search turned up references to similar scams out of some (but not all) Caribbean nations, including Antigua and Barbuda (268), Grenada ( 473) Montserrat (664), St. Lucia (758) and the Dominican Republic (809, which covered the entire Caribbean until a series of splits in 1996-98). http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9905/audiot10.htm - -Dan - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley, Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org Post your reviews; get paid: http://epinions.scream.org/join.html Free web-based e-mail: http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1163079 My address expires - take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #54 ******************************* From ???@??? 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For Amazon, Honesty May Not Be the Best Policy GTE Bay Area Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Sep 2000 09:58:13 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Canadian Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Michael D. Sullivan wrote: >> wrote: > Wireless carriers in the US are currently under an obligation to implement > local number portability (LNP) by November 2001. The wireless LNP date has Will this obligation be like the obligation to provide caller ID info? i.e. they won't really enforce it to any phone company's inconvenience? > to let it know it's in town. The host system sends the number to a > clearinghouse, which identifies the home carrier associated with the phone's > number and stores this in a database. It is able to tell this from the > first six digits of the phone number, "NPA-NXX." If a call is made to the So, the cellular companies designed a poor system for looking up roaming phone numbers. This problem should have been obvious to them when they were building the infrastructure. I can see at least two ways this could have been implemented better. Either they should have used the entire phone number as the search key, or they could just fire queries at *all* the wireless carriers in the NPA-NXX and see which one responds. > The wireless industry has been working on a solution to this: separate the > number used inside the phone for identification from the number used for > dialing. Right now the same number (your phone number) is used for both, > and is known as the Mobile Identification Number or MIN. The new system > will continue to use a MIN to identify the phone, but it won't necessarily > be your phone number. Your phone number will be the Mobile Directory Number > or MDN. The separation of the MIN and MDN will allow the roaming database > to identify your home carrier from the MIN. The carriers will translate > between MIN and MDN for placing or receiving calls by reference to a > translation table or database. Sounds like they are building another bad idea on top of the old one. Why don't they just use the whole 10 digit phone number instead of creating another "hidden" number just to figure out who the home carrier is? The first 6 digits cuts the possibilities down to at most 7 carriers, so you can either just set up the clearing house database to hold the entire 10 digits, or blind query all 7 possible carriers and only one should answer. > This is obviously a huge and complex effort, and requires more time than > making wireline number portability possible, since the entire country will > have to cut over to the new system at once for roaming to work. Wireline > number portability simply requires, well, porting a number locally between > the two carriers involved. > Is that clear as mud? Oh, I understand. It is always difficult to modify a well established infrastructure like this. It just seems like they should have seen this coming. >> > I hope the FCC gets on the ball and makes this happen, though they >> > haven't gotten universal caller ID to work yet, so I won't hold >> > my breath. > The FCC has indeed mandated this. It just takes a while to rebuild the > entire nation's wireless roaming systems. Will they really make it happen though? Universal caller ID was mandated for what, 1997 was it? How many people are still getting "out of area" and "unavailable" on their incoming calls? > Wireless carriers may or may not be motivated to implement number > portability, but they are spending a lot of money to do it, because they > have to. They will indeed be required to play by "landline rules," as far > as number portability is concerned. So maybe next year (Nov. 2001) I'll be able to cancel my wired line and go cellular. I look forward to it, because there is no other competition in my area. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 14:23:59 -0400 From: blackhole@handheld.net Subject: Sorry, but... I am sorry that some of you could not read my previous message. Since this list is Robo-Moderated it apparently does not accept Usenet posts. So I have to send via E-mail and I use Eudora and it simply will not break up the lines unless I double-space them like this. (Unless there is a way to do it that I have not figured out.) At the same time, in the year 2000, I cannot understand why anyone is using a newsreader that can't handle line wrapping. The !'s were not in my original text, they must have been added by the mail to news conversion routine. When we had a human moderator, posts from Usenet were accepted and we did not have this problem (also I could munge my return address in such a way that a human could figure out how to contact me via e-mail). Again I apologize to those who had a problem with my previous post but all I can suggest is that you export it to a text file and use a decent text editor to break up the lines, or consider moving into the 21st century and find a newsreader that has no problem with long lines (also, it would be nice if the Robo-Moderator could be programmed to break up long lines, or if posts from Usenet could once again be allowed). I hope the lines in this message are not too long, Eudora does not even give me a way to count characters in a line! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 14:51:24 -0400 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: Sorry, but... > >I am sorry that some of you could not read my previous message. > > >Since this list is Robo-Moderated it apparently does not accept > >Usenet posts. > I have never had a problem, as long as the bot can read and send a notice to your posting the first time, and gets a validation, from that point there should nt be a problem. I get a reply to my posts all the time, I just have the bots address in my Q so it gets through the spam blocks!! Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II and Macintosh 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. http://www.delphi.com/gbbs The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 14:59:29 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Sorry, but... In <4.3.2.7.2.20000915134221.00dcf9c0@pop.novagate.com>, blackhole@handheld.net wrote: }I am sorry that some of you could not read my previous message. } } }Since this list is Robo-Moderated it apparently does not accept } }Usenet posts. If you are using a decent usenet server, posted messages to moderated groups like this should be automatically forwarded to the robo-moderator for posting. Also, I find it hard to believe that there isn't somewhere in Eudora an option to wrap lines on output. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 16:19:15 -0400 From: Steve Kostecke Subject: Re: Sorry, but... In comp.dcom.telecom, blackhole@handheld.net wrote: [snip: an empty apology] >So I have to send via E-mail and I use Eudora and it simply will not >break up the lines unless I double-space them like this. (Unless there >is a way to do it that I have not figured out.) See http://chibiusa.addr.com/pluto/llguide.html Or consult your favorite search engine (the choice of key-words is left as an exercise for the reader.) >At the same time, in the year 2000, I cannot understand why anyone is >using a newsreader that can't handle line wrapping. I can not understand why, in the year 2000, you are using a newsreader that does not follow usenet conventions. [snip: an attempt to attribute your failure to follow usenet conventions to the mail to news gateway.] [snip: an attempt to attribute your failure to follow usenet conventions to the lack of a human moderator. And an attempt to justify your use of a false mailing address.] >Again I apologize to those who had a problem with my previous post but >all I can suggest is that you export it to a text file and use a decent >text editor to break up the lines, And I suggest that you format your postings in accordance with existing usenet conventions. [snip: an attempt to attribute your failure to follow usenet conventions to someone elses choice of newsreader.] [snip: an attempt to attribute your failure to follow usenet conventions to the Robo-Moderator.] >I hope the lines in this message are not too long, Eudora does not even >give me a way to count characters in a line! Why don't you consider moving into the 21st century and find an MUA that properly breaks your lines of text. - -- ____ ||k || Steve Kostecke ||__|| |/__\| slrn - vi - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 17:04:15 -0400 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Sorry, but... [This message would have been sent privately except that the original author has a broken reply address.] In article <4.3.2.7.2.20000915134221.00dcf9c0@pop.novagate.com>, wrote: >At the same time, in the year 2000, I cannot understand why > >anyone is using a newsreader that can't handle line wrapping. It is not the business of a news client to wrap lines, or do anything else to damage the original article author's presentation. - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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He has 13 years of experience and was forced out of the radio busness because he was too good and made too much money. We live in a small city in Texas and most radio stations here are owned by Accumulus Broadcasting. He went from making 25,000 a year to begging for minnimum wage jobs. Him and I met through the radio and have been together since. i would hate to see him give up on what he does best . If you have any advice please send it to me. I have searched high and low for any opportunity that may shine apon us. No luck. needing your advise, Traci - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 21:14:02 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Matt Ackeret wrote in response to BlackHole... >Your post has a lot of strange cut-off lines like this, with !s added at >the end of the cut off lines. I don't quite understand your complaint or that of Matthew Black. Don't your readers have the option of fitting text to your view window? BlackHole's message looks fine here, and conforms to any window size I give it. In the distant past it may have been correct protocol to put in hard carriage returns a la the typewriter; but this is the age of HTML and format=flowed, where the person viewing (or listening to) a message can adjust it to individual needs. If you consider the needs of the visually impaired, for example, it makes more sense to send messages that can easily be reformatted with large type, etc. That's the beauty of electronic messages -- the recipient does not have to be bound to the format used by the sender. - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 22:13:59 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: For Amazon, Honesty May Not Be the Best Policy For Amazon, Honesty May Not Be the Best Policy http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18538,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 22:23:17 -0400 From: "John Willkie" Subject: GTE Bay Area Re; you're posting about gte in the bay area. The franchises were established about six or seven decades (or more) before the Rural Electrification Administration or the FCC started handing out subsidies, and then (with a couple of exceptions) only to RURAL telephone companies/systems. (GTE did quite well at that trough, then sold off many small systems in the 1990's). You should examine telephone history: Bell and Home battled it out overbuilding in the same markets, without interconnection. GTE's predecessors got hick towns (Santa Monica, Los Gatos, Morgan Hill) and interconnected with Bell and sometimes Home. Some of those communities are now significant in size: until you look at the other cities in their local metropolitan areas. John Willkie jwillkie@digitalspotnews.com, jmwillkie@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2000 23:36:44 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? wrote "The first part of the Radio Shack Catalog (probably the first 70 pages or so) is all telephone-related gear. I haven't had a Shack catalog in several years and was quite surprised at the level of sophistication of the phone equipment they're selling now. They're still not in the category of a "Hello Direct" or similar company, and I have no idea how competitive their prices are, but if you need phone gear you just may be surprised at what they do offer now." Keep in mind that anything with a red or purple catalog number is not stocked in the stores, but is available by special order through the RadioShack Unlimited program; this seems to account for much of the increased size of the catalog in recent years. They've done this for decades with tubes, phono styli and specialty batteries, but have expanded it to cover many more categories of items. (RSU tems with red catalog numbers can be ordered in stores, on their Web site or from their 800 number; RSU items with purple catalog numbers apparently cannot be ordered from the Web site.) I was really surprised that they're not only selling a butt set now, but it's a stock item for $130! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #55 ******************************* From ???@??? Sun Sep 17 18:41:06 2000 Date: 17 Sep 2000 16:55:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20000917205501.11350.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #56 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: dbbe52abccc47b199ff3f451e7fc42bc Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, September 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 056 In this issue: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Sorry, but... Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Re: Office COCOT??? Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Re: Sorry, but... Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Sorry, but... Re: Message format, enough already Re: GTE Bay Area ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Sep 2000 06:31:46 -0400 From: "Ron Bean" Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? blackhole@handheld.net writes: >Radio Shack stores are handing out free barcode scanners in the >shape of a cat to their customers. I got one in the mail, apparently because I subscribe to Wired magazine (which has been hyping it lately). There was no mention of Radio Shack, so I was surprised that one of the cables that came with it was clearly marked "Radio Shack". Why does it connect to the keyboard connector instead of a USB port? I thought some newer PC's had USB keyboards... Do they still have the old-fashioned keyboard port as well? >The idea is that when you want more information on a product in >the Radio Shack catalog, you scan a (rather odd, diagonal) >barcode and it will take you right to a web page featuring that >product. I assume the diagonal barcodes are just a visual gimmick to make them stand out on the page. But do you think Radio Shack's webpages are going to be any more informative than their catalog? (Of course, the catalog doesn't have a "buy now" button, which is probably the idea behind the whole program). And what's this nonsense of starting words with a colon? A colon is punctuation, dammit. It goes wherever the sentence needs it to go, not where some :marketroid wants it. It's cute the first couple of times you see it, but it makes the sentences harder to read. >The software seems quite large for what one would expect to be a >glorified barcode scanner driver, coming in at over 3 and a half >megs (that's the downloadable version; I did not try the CD). Probably graphics for the installer program, plus the usual bloat. It may also have several versions for different versions of Windows (is there Mac version, or do they assume Mac users don't shop at Radio Shack?) >I apologize for the long quotes, but did you notice that buried >in there was this startling revelation: "The :CueCat reader is >only on loan to you from Digital :Convergence and may be recalled >at any time." That's just a polite bit of fiction for the lawyers (most credit cards have similar language, but they never ask for them back, they just ask you to destroy the old one). I wonder how many people got them in the mail and just threw them away. They're trying to solve a major problem of "ecommerce", which is that websites are great for customers who already know what they want, but how do you get people to your website if they've never heard of your product? Especially if they've seen a lot of lame websites and have no reason to expect that yours is any more informative. Ironically, one solution involves ink on dead trees... Actually, I've always thought it would be cool if PC's came with barcode readers as standard equipment. I can think of all kinds of uses for them (the old Tandy Model 100 from the mid-1980s had a port where you could plug in a barcode reader, but I don't think anyone really used it for anything). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 06:33:48 -0400 From: "Ron Bean" Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) John De Hoog writes: >In the distant past it may have been correct protocol to put in hard >carriage returns a la the typewriter; but this is the age of HTML and >format=flowed, where the person viewing (or listening to) a message can >adjust it to individual needs. You can do that with plain ASCII as well, if your editor (or viewer) recognizes it as a valid format-- the editors that produce those messages with the newlines at the end of each line have no problem reflowing paragraphs. Some can even re-flow text with several layers of ">>>" quoting at the beginning of each line, and retain the proper levels of attribution for all of the text. There are also advantages to reading usenet with a fixed-width font, where ASCII-drawings may be encountered (but you can still make the type any size you want). >If you consider the needs of the visually >impaired, for example, it makes more sense to send messages that can >easily be reformatted with large type, etc. That's the beauty of >electronic messages -- the recipient does not have to be bound to the >format used by the sender. Actually this is a good argument in favor of plain ASCII. If you send messages in HTML, the recipient is bound by the format: it looks lousy in a reader that's expecting the traditional plain ASCII format. Furthermore, HTML is often used with font and size tags to control the way the reader sees the message-- the exact opposite of what you're advocating (although you can ignore the tags). If a newsreader makes it difficult to post messages in the older formats, then it's part of the problem (Rule of thumb: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send out"). Having said that, I don't expect to change anyone's mind. There will always be competing mutually incompatible standards, and each will have its advocates. I prefer to focus on the content of the message, and deal with whatever format it's in (unless it's totally garbled). It's an annoyance, but not a major one (do people still understand the concept of a *minor* annoyance, ie, one that causes me extra work but doesn't cause any hard feelings?). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 06:51:28 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) "Ron Bean" wrote: > If you send messages in HTML, the recipient is bound by the > format: it looks lousy in a reader that's expecting the > traditional plain ASCII format. Furthermore, HTML is often used > with font and size tags to control the way the reader sees the > message-- the exact opposite of what you're advocating (although > you can ignore the tags). Please note that I was not advocating sending messages in HTML. I used HTML as an example of new, flexible formats. Another is format=flowed. The worst message format, perhaps, is putting in hard returns but using a long line length. - -- John De Hoog dehoog@dehoog.org http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 10:25:58 -0400 From: Fred Goldstein Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 In V2000 No. 055, blackhole wrote: >I hope the lines in this message are not too long, Eudora does > >not even give me a way to count characters in a line! and John De Hoog added, >In the distant past it may have been correct protocol to put in hard >carriage returns a la the typewriter; but this is the age of HTML and >format=flowed, where the person viewing (or listening to) a message can >adjust it to individual needs. If you consider the needs of the visually >impaired, for example, it makes more sense to send messages that can >easily be reformatted with large type, etc. That's the beauty of >electronic messages -- the recipient does not have to be bound to the >format used by the sender. Sorry, but you're both off point. First off, I'm using Eudora (3, not 4, but I'm sure the capability's stll there) and it wraps my lines correctly. Options -> Sending mail -> Word wrap, check "on". Second, this digest is an email digest gatewayed to Usenet, not a web site. Both email and Usenet are "plain text" media by specification. HTML is abusive. ANd in my case, it doesn't get through. My ISP's mail server strictly conforms to the relevant RFCs. Its POP symbiont (not "daemon"; that's a clue as to which OS it's on) "knows" that the spec calls for no more than 255 characters per record, so it cuts off any record longer than that. So I get only part of the paragraph. Eudora's read-mail function wraps it nicely, of course, into three and a half lines or so. Many usenet readers don't wrap, though, because it's not supposed to be necessary, and it breaks other expectations that some posters may have. And since usenet's on its, uh, trailing edge of popularity, not much new development's going on there. Now it's easy to say that the ISP should use a better server (true), but the server *is* conformant to the spec. Formatted and long-record mail should be confined to intranet use, in companies whose uniform software supports these non-standardized (read: MS does them however they please) features. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 11:02:50 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Ron Bean wrote: > If a newsreader makes it difficult to post messages in the older > formats, then it's part of the problem (Rule of thumb: "Be liberal > in what you accept, and conservative in what you send out"). A good rule. The Usenet RFCs recommend no more than 75 characters per line because many people still use trn or tin on dumb terminals. > I prefer to focus on the content of the message, and deal with > whatever format it's in (unless it's totally garbled). Extra-wide lines are one of several common problems that cause me to just skip the message, because reading it is too much trouble. HTML is another -- because it usually displays in tiny print. (HTML in Usenet messages is also considered evil because it can be used to load web-bugs and the like without the user's knowledge.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 11:07:22 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Sorry, but... 15 Sep 2000 14:59:29 -0400 Joel B Levin wrote: >In <4.3.2.7.2.20000915134221.00dcf9c0@pop.novagate.com>, > blackhole@handheld.net wrote: > >}I am sorry that some of you could not read my previous message. >} >} >}Since this list is Robo-Moderated it apparently does not accept >} >}Usenet posts. > >If you are using a decent usenet server, posted messages to moderated groups >like this should be automatically forwarded to the robo-moderator for posting. > >Also, I find it hard to believe that there isn't somewhere in Eudora an option >to wrap lines on output. Under options/sending mail tick the box lableled Word Wrap. This problem sounds like mis-configuration. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 12:31:44 -0400 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) In article <39C38B59.DB1003B3@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>, John David Galt wrote: >(HTML in Usenet messages is also considered evil because it can be >used to load web-bugs and the like without the user's knowledge.) And furthermore, many news servers' spam filters (including the one I operate) automatically drop such articles. Most people (except the spammers) seem to have gotten the message. - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 13:07:31 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Ron Bean wrote: "I got one in the mail, apparently because I subscribe to Wired magazine (which has been hyping it lately). There was no mention of Radio Shack, so I was surprised that one of the cables that came with it was clearly marked "Radio Shack"." Look on the bottom. It says "Custom Manufactured...by RadioShack..." RS knows how to get products manufactured, so Digital Convergence had them do the job. "Why does it connect to the keyboard connector instead of a USB port? I thought some newer PC's had USB keyboards...Do they still have the old-fashioned keyboard port as well?" I'm not sure about that, but a lot of AT-case PCs from small custom builders don't have USB ports even if they are present on the motherboard -- AT-form-factor boards often aren't supplied with USB connectors -- so many of the people who could potentially use this device don't have a USB port available to plug it into. "But do you think Radio Shack's webpages are going to be any more informative than their catalog?" In many cases, yes. For RCA TVs they even have downloadable (PDF) spec sheets. "And what's this nonsense of starting words with a colon?" They're just being artsy-fartsy. "Actually, I've always thought it would be cool if PC's came with barcode readers as standard equipment. I can think of all kinds of uses for them (the old Tandy Model 100 from the mid-1980s had a port where you could plug in a barcode reader, but I don't think anyone really used it for anything)." PCM Magazine had BASIC program listings for the Model 100, Tandy 102 and Tandy 200 that could be scanned in from bar codes in the back of the magazine. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 13:11:07 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Office COCOT??? Roy Smith wrote: "Today I was over there and needed to make a phone call. So I picked up one of the phones and dialed. I was surprised and amused to hear a (very poor audio quality) recording saying, "The call you have made requires a 25 cent deposit. Please hang up, deposit 25 cents, and try your call again". "I was rolling on the floor. Of course, the folks in the office weren't very amused; they've been trying to get it fixed for the two months since they moved in there." I'd say that that is the opposite of most COCOTs -- you're talking about a normal phone on a line provisioned for coin service, while most COCOTs are specifically *not* on lines provisioned for coin service, but instead use a microcontroller in the phone (which is a big reason why so many of them stink on dry ice). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 13:16:10 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Andrew Green wrote: "By comparison, getting yet another proprietary barcode system into common use is going to be a bigger hurdle for them -- how many people are still using those VCRplus codes in the TV listings?" Probably a fair number, since VCR Plus+ is still featured in most new VCRs. Matsushita Electric (the company behind Panasonic) actually had a bar code wand on VCRs in the mid-1980s, both in Japan and elsewhere; several Japanese listings magazines carried the bar codes (it probably helped that MEI is probably the biggest advertiser in Japan), but in North America the bar code system was only used with a special printed sheet to quickly enter times and channels manually. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 15:03:32 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Sorry, but... On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:14:07 GMT you wrote: }On 15 Sep 2000 14:59:29 -0400, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: }| If you are using a decent usenet server, posted messages to }| moderated groups like this should be automatically forwarded }| to the robo-moderator for posting. } }Currently usenet posts are being sent by usenet servers to Pat's }old address at MIT - not to the current submission address at }"editor@telecom-digest.org". } }Perhaps an integrated mail-news server would help. I use Free }Agent - which allows me to reply via email and send email. They are nevertheless getting there -- my submissions have almost all been posted to Usenet. I presume Pat's address at MIT is autoforwarding them to the robomoderator also. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 15:41:47 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) In <200009160113.KAA10710@coral.ocn.ne.jp>, John De Hoog wrote: }In the distant past it may have been correct protocol to put in hard }carriage returns a la the typewriter; but this is the age of HTML and }format=flowed . . . Usenet is in the age of its lowest common denominator and still adheres to a standard of plain, fixed width text format and lines wrapped at less than 80 characters (thus allowing some room for quoting characters). I frequently skip articles in html (1) because they're not worth the trouble to decipher and (2) because if I did have an html-aware newsreader they could easily be a source of web bugs I don't want to enable. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 17:39:28 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Sorry, but... >>From 'blackhole@handheld.net': >I am sorry that some of you could not read my previous message. > > >Since this list is Robo-Moderated it apparently does not accept > >Usenet posts. Read the confirmation message you got from the bot - you must confirm that you actually made the original post before it gets posted. This is done to prevent spam, and you only need to do it before the first post you make to the group. >So I have to send via E-mail and I use Eudora and it simply will >not break up the lines unless I double-space them like this. Or, you could simply read the instructions given to you. :) >When we had a human moderator, posts from Usenet were >accepted and we did not have this problem (also I could munge >my return address in such a way that a human could figure out >how to contact me via e-mail). Posts from usenet ARE accepted, and you can munge the From: header and use a Reply-to: header - that should work fine (right, John?) - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 17:54:56 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Message format, enough already >}Currently usenet posts are being sent by usenet servers to Pat's >}old address at MIT - not to the current submission address at >}"editor@telecom-digest.org". They're forwarded to the right place; I have the password to Pat's account and adjusted that. Re Eudora, mail, news, and all that -- this newsgroup and mailing list are plain text only. The modbot looks for MIME headers and bounces back anything that isn't. I don't currently filter messages with ridiculously long lines, but perhaps I should bounce or quietly fold them, too. Discussions of moderation policy aren't really on topic. If you have questions about the way the modbot does or doesn't work, please ask me directly. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 00:27:54 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: GTE Bay Area "John Willkie" wrote in message news:LAW-F193HvoFOAmEaJs000085b5@hotmail.com... > Re; you're posting about gte in the bay area. The franchises were > established about six or seven decades (or more) before the Rural > Electrification Administration or the FCC started handing out subsidies, and > then (with a couple of exceptions) only to RURAL telephone > companies/systems. (GTE did quite well at that trough, then sold off many > small systems in the 1990's). > > You should examine telephone history: Bell and Home battled it out > overbuilding in the same markets, without interconnection. GTE's > predecessors got hick towns (Santa Monica, Los Gatos, Morgan Hill) and > interconnected with Bell and sometimes Home. Some of those communities are > now significant in size: until you look at the other cities in their local > metropolitan areas. Fourteen years ago, GTE served about 3% of the wireline customers in the SF metro area, according to the FCC order permitting PacTel to acquire additional interests in the nonwireline cellular operator. See _James F. Rill, Trustee_, 1986 FCC LEXIS 3364, 60 Rad. Reg. 2d (P & F) 583, FCC 86-251, at n.35 (May 27, 1986). Much has changed in the Bay area since then, but GTE is still a bit player in the SF area's local exchange business. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #56 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Sep 18 07:23:45 2000 Date: 18 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000918101512.24201.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #57 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: bf29b55994d784274e1d1e99863bc23a Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, September 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 057 In this issue: Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: NO long distance carrier on phone, but Hacker calls overseas on my line! Re: eFax beholden to spammers? Re: Caller ID and answer supervision? Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? IP/Computer Telephony Resource The Emperor's new privacy Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compro mised? Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) iname.com: Front For Targeted Spam? Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 Re: Sorry, but... Re: Sorry, but... Re: Sorry, but... Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) annoyances, was: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away Re: annoyances, was: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away Re: Sorry, but... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Sep 2000 16:54:55 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts Fred Goldstein wrote: "We just split all of Eastern MA two years ago, creating 781 and 978 to relieve 617 and 508. They split in order to retain seven-digit dialing, since the FCC, again causing unnecessary pain, demands that overlays be accompanied by ten-digit dialing." Somebody ought to take that one to court. How in the bleeping bleep does the FCC get to define how a call *that does not cross a state line* has to be dialed? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 17:13:29 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Joel B Levin wrote: "I frequently skip articles in html (1) because they're not worth the trouble to decipher..." More ad hominem attacks, hmmm? I suppose you have kill files for all AOL and WebTV users, too. "...and (2) because if I did have an html-aware newsreader they could easily be a source of web bugs I don't want to enable." Why would they be any more so than Web sites themselves? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 17:38:09 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) In comp.dcom.telecom I saw that on 17 Sep 2000 17:13:29 -0400 "Ed Ellers" wrote: >"...and (2) because if I did have an html-aware newsreader they could easily >be a source of web bugs I don't want to enable." > >Why would they be any more so than Web sites themselves? One doesn't have to look at web sites. Sometimes my mail client may "open" the latest message which has arrived and an HTML page comes up with some script error... I am usually grateful it has but the point is that unsolicited e-mail can contain pages/code which one would perhaps never go looking for, even if you did get to one of them somehow (and using lynx from a unix shell means that quite a number of things can be avoided, like graphics heavy pages or awful background music (which both annoy me :-) etc - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 18:02:11 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: NO long distance carrier on phone, but Hacker calls overseas on my line! peny_lane2@my-deja.com wrote: : computer or phone. We live alone with our 3 year old grandaughter. We : do not access porno sites on my computer; We do not have a microphone If you have a cordless phone, make sure you put it back in its cradle. If it is left off hook, and an older model phone, someone driving by can grab dial tone from your base, and make whatever calls they please. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 18:02:10 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: eFax beholden to spammers? Dave Garland wrote: : I use a distinctive email address with them, and aside from their : newsletter have never received _any_ mail to that address. ditto my efax signup. My recollection of the signup stuff implied to me that they would be able to target certain banner ads towards me based on something or other, but since I signed up for "linux", I get tiff files, and I don't use their viewer, so I've never seen any of their banner ads. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 18:02:11 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Caller ID and answer supervision? Rich Wales wrote: : Recently, she tried several times (without success) to reach a cousin : in another state. Each time, the phone rang about six times, but no : one answered. When her phone bill arrived, she discovered that the : "10-10" provider had billed each of these unsuccessful calling attempts : as a one-minute call (and charged her about a dollar per call, since : the plan is one of those "up to X minutes for only Y cents" deals). Some switches have a programmed "assumed supervision". The default on the Dex600 is 60 seconds, so if you listen to ringing, or a busy signal, for more than 60 seconds, you will be billed for the call. This is separate from hardware answer supervision, but it falls into the billable category in most billing systems. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. N38o36'06.6" W122o21'50.6" NAD27 True - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 18:02:12 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compromised? Andrew Green wrote: : "By comparison, getting yet another proprietary barcode system into common : use is going to be a bigger hurdle for them -- how many people are still : using those VCRplus codes in the TV listings?" I fetched a program from the web that is a javascript for reading the codes, but I find that there is a program included with the scanner that reads the codes. catscan.exe will display scanned codes, but you need to turn off the :CRQ program first, else it causes an illegal instruction ;-) - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. N38o36'06.6" W122o21'50.6" NAD27 True - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 18:27:47 -0400 From: "Keith Harper" Subject: IP/Computer Telephony Resource A new website has been launched to provide a comprehensive resource for locating IVR, CTI, VoIP and Computer Telephony products and services. The site also offers forums where you can buy and sell surplus equipment, or request solutions to telephony related projects and services. Visit - http://www.TelephonyIndex.co.uk/ Regards, Keith Harper. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 18:51:17 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Emperor's new privacy The Emperor's new privacy WASHINGTON D.C. -- Calling privacy policies and seal programs the equivalent of the Emperor's new clothes, privacy advocates -- and some industry privacy officers -- called for Federal legislation to simplify the privacy landscape for both consumers and companies. http://www.lycos.com/cgi-bin/pursuit?query=242589&fs=docid&cat=zdnet&mtemp=zdnet - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 19:33:51 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: CellOne San Francisco and AT&T Wireless "John David Galt" wrote in message news:39C1B3FD.1D6BF975@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us... > FWIW, AFAIK, Pacific Bell has never held any interest in McCaw/BAC1 and > wasn't allowed to, though PB did act as one of many resellers of that > same (but rebranded) service for several years before the AirTouch > spinoff. PacTel Mobile Access (Pacific Bell's cellular affiliate way back when) acquired a 23.5% minority interest in Bay Area Cellular Telephone Co. before it went on the air. In 1985-86, PTMA acquired an additional 23.5% interest held by a subsidiary of Communications Industries, Inc. in a merger, and it acquired a majority interest as the result of litigation concerning the 23.5% then held by McCaw. (I believe that before PTMA acquired its interest in BACTC it held a 3% interest in the GTE wireline license, which it divested, but I may be mistaken.) The PTMA majority interest in BACTC was subsequently spun off to AirTouch (and is now part of Verizon Wireless). Before this occurred, PacBell created a new subsidiary, PacBell Mobile Services, that acted as a reseller of BACTC and also, ultimately, became a PCS operator. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 19:33:53 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) wrote in message news:8pt9tb$4pi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > Michael D. Sullivan wrote: > >> wrote: > > > Wireless carriers in the US are currently under an obligation to implement > > local number portability (LNP) by November 2001. The wireless LNP date has > > Will this obligation be like the obligation to provide caller ID > info? i.e. they won't really enforce it to any phone company's > inconvenience? I can't speak to that. As it stands, once this goes into effect, a wireless carrier will have to be able to participate in porting of numbers in the same manner as wireline carriers. This won't happen by magic. Any carrier wanting to port a number from another carrier must incur costs for the facilities needed; I frankly don't know whether this is or will be required in advance of customer requests for number porting. At this point, I believe number porting is only required among wireline carriers who both have numbers in the same rate center. In other words, I couldn't port my Verizon wireline number in Bethesda, Md. to a CLEC who isn't present in Bethesda, but only in Rockville, fifteen miles away. Assuming this policy is in existence when wireless carriers become subject to LNP, you will only be able to port your wireline number to a wireless carrier if the wireless carrier has numbers from your rate center. Since wireless carriers typically take numbers from only a few rate centers in each NPA, this may limit the utility of wireline-to-wireless number portability. Likewise, wireless-to-wireless (e.g., moving my cellular number from Verizon Wireless to VoiceStream) will be limited to situations where both wireless carriers take numbers from the same rate center. Eventually, the rate center limitation may become toast as the scope of number portability is broadened. > So, the cellular companies designed a poor system for looking up > roaming phone numbers. This problem should have been obvious to > them when they were building the infrastructure. I can see at least > two ways this could have been implemented better. Either they should > have used the entire phone number as the search key, or they could > just fire queries at *all* the wireless carriers in the NPA-NXX > and see which one responds. Ah, the benefits of hindsight. The kernel of the roaming system was developed in the mid-1980s, when there were two cellular carriers per market, no serious prospect of more carriers per market. There was no concept of number portability at that point. Digital cellular was still being developed. Europe's GSM hadn't rolled out yet. The carriers developed roaming without any government mandate. It was something that made the service more attractive, and they worked out a way to make it possible. It was actually a pretty amazing development, even if in the early days it was much less automatic than today. There was no, nada, zilch reason for the carriers to make the roaming system more complex than it was, and plenty of reasons for making it as simple and efficient as possible. The roaming system was carrier-oriented because there were only two carriers in a market and because many of the carriers (the RBOC affiliates) were under an obligation to avoid carrying interLATA traffic; they had to hand off interLATA calls to the customer's chosen carrier -- including handing off the transport of an incoming call between the home switch and the host switch to that carrier. There was enough complexity without adding more. If a six-digit lookup identified the carrier with 100% accuracy, there was no possible justification for multiplying the size and cost of the database by a factor of 10,000. (Remember how much disk drives cost back then? I remember buying that a 40 MB drive for a PC-AT in the late 1980s cost over $250. Gigabyte PC drives were but a dream.) Mainframe drives were *very* expensive. Scaling up a database by a factor of 10,000 would have been insanely expensive, required a much more massive complex of mainframes and external disk drives, and slowed the database lookups significantly. In fact, the clearinghouse that was at the center of the roaming system was run by an independent company. If it had increased its costs by a factor of 10,000 without a good reason, another company would have come along with a cheaper system. > > The wireless industry has been working on a solution to this: separate the > > number used inside the phone for identification from the number used for > > dialing. Right now the same number (your phone number) is used for both, > > and is known as the Mobile Identification Number or MIN. The new system > > will continue to use a MIN to identify the phone, but it won't necessarily > > be your phone number. Your phone number will be the Mobile Directory Number > > or MDN. The separation of the MIN and MDN will allow the roaming database > > to identify your home carrier from the MIN. The carriers will translate > > between MIN and MDN for placing or receiving calls by reference to a > > translation table or database. > > Sounds like they are building another bad idea on top of the old one. > Why don't they just use the whole 10 digit phone number instead of > creating another "hidden" number just to figure out who the home > carrier is? The short answer is that reinventing the roaming system from the ground up would take a lot more time than the FCC has allowed and would be much more expensive to develop and operate. Also, I'm not sure there is a single database in existence that will identify the actual serving carrier and switch of a ported phone number. (I believe that when you make a long-distance call to a ported number, it gets routed initially on the basis of the NPA-NXX, and only when it arrives in the area called is the actual serving carrier looked up, but I may be wrong on this.) Even if there is, your system would require the roaming clearinghouse to rely on that external database, which will increase costs and slow performance. Doing a ten-digit external lookup is much less efficient than doing a six-digit internal lookup. (Also, maintaining the six-digit carrier/switch database doesn't require massive constant changes; it only needs to be updated when a carrier adds an NXX code.) Keeping costs down is important because a roaming phone results in a clearinghouse check every time it comes into a new carrier's service area, whether or not it's used to make a call. Your approach would make roaming much more expensive even if you don't make calls. The increased cost would inevitably be passed on to the customer. > The first 6 digits cuts the possibilities down to > at most 7 carriers, so you can either just set up the clearing house > database to hold the entire 10 digits, or blind query all 7 possible > carriers and only one should answer. Huh? The first 6 digits allows identification of up to one million (10^6)destinations. All the carriers and switches in the NANP currently have to fit in that space, wireline or wireless. That's how the phone system works. The number of wireless NPA-NXX combinations is a small subset of the million. Why have ten billion database entries when there can be no more than one million NXX codes (actually less than 800,000, due to exclusions for N11, NPA-555, no 0 or 1 as the NPA's leading digit, etc.), much less switches? Given that the first six digits identifies one and only one carrier and switch in the current system, why change this? LNP breaks the six-digit identification when looking at phone numbers. That's why the wireless carriers will use a separate MIN that won't necessarily represent the phone number; it can hold a dummy number whose first six digits unambiguously identify the actual home carrier and switch and whose last four digits provide a mapping to the phone number or MDN. I don't understand your question about blind querying the seven possible carriers. Which seven carriers? There are hundreds of wireless carriers and many thousands of wireless switches. > Oh, I understand. It is always difficult to modify a well established > infrastructure like this. It just seems like they should have seen > this coming. Why should the wireless industry have seen number portability coming in the mid-1980s? There were no CLECs. There was no wireline number portability. Most states prohibited local wireline competition, in fact. The FCC hadn't even begun dreaming about local number portability. It was struggling with the notion that independent companies wanted to begin accessing wireline facilities for the provision of competitive access instead of using the LEC's access tandem. > So maybe next year (Nov. 2001) I'll be able to cancel my wired line > and go cellular. I look forward to it, because there is no other > competition in my area. Wireline LNP is in place now. That doesn't mean that there are companies in place everywhere who can make a successful business of porting numbers. I'm not surprised that CLECs haven't made it to Blacksburg, VA (home of Virginia Tech) yet; they have to make a profitable business case. If the wireless companies don't see porting wireline numbers as a profitable endeavor, they won't spend the money to do it. You can cancel your wired line and go cellular right now; you just won't be able to keep your number. There is no assurance that your cellular company will rush out and spend billions of dollars in November of next year to be able to port every wireline number in their service area just because they have to become LNP-capable. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 19:38:32 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner, but is privacy compro mised? Green, Andrew wrote: : Time does not permit a detailed response to that lengthy post so I'll just : make the following observations: : o There's a similar big push for it going on in "Parade" magazine, the : flimsy supplement stuffed into Sunday newspapers When I brought it home, my wife commented that she had noticed lots of bar codes in recent magazine advertisements. : o The barcode is only "italicized" for recognition by the (human) reader; : the scanner doesn't care I think the Radio Shack italicized bar codes are to emphasize that you are going deep into the web site, rather than a main page, in search of a particular item or class of items. : o I do think it's a clever idea to provide a lookup table enabling : consumers to scan the UPC of a product and go directly to that Clever? Holy bar codes, Batman! What a phenomenal idea! I've used it. It works very well, for a range of products that I might not expect to participate in this scheme. Certainly the lookup table is not maintained for free. Or maybe it is, surviving on the reference click-through already pioneered by the banner ads at other sites. My Brother label printer linked to a Japanese-language Brother site, though... technical hurdle there. It reads standard bar codes, obviously, in order to get to those miscellaneous manufacturers. There is a javascript posted on the web that translates to standard bar codes, as opposed to the specialized key sequnce that nominally comes floating in on your keyboard input... be careful what program you have in the foreground when you do a scan. : o Anytime you're asked for an email address in a situation like this, use a : free throwaway account such as Hotmail that you can walk away from after the : followup spam reaches excessive levels My ISP offers time-limited email aliases as a subset of my regular mail. : o Yes, it's tracking what you select. Of _course_ it's tracking what you : select; so are the "Preferred Shopper" discount cards at the supermarket : (which seem to go to much more effort in their signup procedures to identify : who you really are). Its only useful function to the consumer appears to be : to allow more accurate entry of URLs into browsers by people who cannot : type. : In this day and age, you need extra common sense about what you're signing : up for and what information you're going to be revealing. Indeed, the signup doesn't get very personal. It only needs one email address, and I've used that one code on multiple cue-cats already. The individualized serial numbers are no more or less useful than the double-click cookies that are the subject of their own debate. Other web pages indicate that it is simple to disable the serial id, giving either a floating number, or a fixed 000 id. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. N38o36'06.6" W122o21'50.6" NAD27 True - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 19:38:35 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 Fred Goldstein wrote: "Second, this digest is an email digest gatewayed to Usenet, not a web site Both email and Usenet are "plain text" media by specification. HTML is abusive." Oh, not this old chestnut again. If, in fact, HTML is so inappropriate, why do both Microsoft and Netscape include that option in their mail and news programs? I fully agree that HTML *can* be abused (especially since many list servers don't pass it properly), but I do not agree that it *is* abusive by definition. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 21:32:35 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) In <8q260j$e86bb$1@ID-39509.news.cis.dfn.de>, "Ed Ellers" wrote: }Joel B Levin wrote: } }"I frequently skip articles in html (1) because they're not worth the }trouble to decipher..." } }More ad hominem attacks, hmmm? I suppose you have kill files for all AOL }and WebTV users, too. Ad hominem? Try again. I don't killfile by domain, and I often read text articles from AOL and webtv. Your straw is defective and your little man fell apart. }"...and (2) because if I did have an html-aware newsreader they could easily }be a source of web bugs I don't want to enable." } }Why would they be any more so than Web sites themselves? I don't open web sites when I'm reading mail or news unless I decide to follow a URL. Random web-bug (1 pixel images, for instance) don't do anything in a text only mail / news reader. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 21:35:21 -0400 From: "Alan Boritz" Subject: iname.com: Front For Targeted Spam? I checked out iname.com's website, after being referred by a friend who uses the service and Netscape redirected to ad.doubleclick.net and unable to go any further. I have all, or most, of doubleclick's domains defined as "127.0.0.1" to kill banners and cookies from being retrieved, and every attempt to access http://www.iname.com results in a 404 error. I checked again with MSIE and was able to get most of the site, except for most of the graphic buttons, which are Doubleclick graphics and links. When I checked further on their sponsor, mail.com, I found that they pitch ISP's for their services to make their email a revenue generator rather than a cost center. If doubleclick is running most of their web site, it's fairly obvious where some of their income is coming from. Are these slimeballs also harvesting email addresses from people who send mail TO iname.com subscribers so they can abuse both the receivers AND senders? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 21:35:52 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 In <8q1k5j$e9io3$1@ID-39509.news.cis.dfn.de>, "Ed Ellers" wrote: }Oh, not this old chestnut again. If, in fact, HTML is so inappropriate, why }do both Microsoft and Netscape include that option in their mail and news }programs? Worse, they (or some of them) default to HTML on! Often because MS decides to do something one way is a pretty good indication that one shouldn't. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 21:59:38 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: Sorry, but... wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >[This message would have been sent privately except that the original >author has a broken reply address.] > >In article <4.3.2.7.2.20000915134221.00dcf9c0@pop.novagate.com>, > wrote: >>At the same time, in the year 2000, I cannot understand why >> >>anyone is using a newsreader that can't handle line wrapping. > >It is not the business of a news client to wrap lines, or do anything >else to damage the original article author's presentation. Sure it is. Newsreaders and email clients that can't wrap lines are brain dead. >X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) >Originator: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Get a better newsreader, perhaps on a more flexible platform, and you wouldn't have that problem. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 22:12:15 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: Sorry, but... sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: >>From 'blackhole@handheld.net': >>I am sorry that some of you could not read my previous message. >> >> >>Since this list is Robo-Moderated it apparently does not accept >> >>Usenet posts. > >Read the confirmation message you got from the bot - you >must confirm that you actually made the original post before >it gets posted. No you don't. >This is done to prevent spam, and you only >need to do it before the first post you make to the group. Only needs to be done ONCE. Then a potential spammer can blast the digest until someone turns him off. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 22:24:11 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: Sorry, but... wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >[This message would have been sent privately except that the original >author has a broken reply address.] > >In article <4.3.2.7.2.20000915134221.00dcf9c0@pop.novagate.com>, > wrote: >>At the same time, in the year 2000, I cannot understand why >> >>anyone is using a newsreader that can't handle line wrapping. > >It is not the business of a news client to wrap lines, or do anything >else to damage the original article author's presentation. Sure it is. Newsreaders and email clients that can't wrap lines are brain dead. >X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) >Originator: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Get a better newsreader, perhaps on a more flexible platform, and you wouldn't have that problem. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 22:24:41 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) John De Hoog wrote: >Matt Ackeret wrote in response to BlackHole... > >>Your post has a lot of strange cut-off lines like this, with !s added at >>the end of the cut off lines. > >I don't quite understand your complaint or that of Matthew Black. Don't >your readers have the option of fitting text to your view window? >BlackHole's message looks fine here, and conforms to any window size I >give it. The problem is not with the writer, but the reader. Some usenet junkies run reader or client software that's somewhat outdated. Rather than increase their capabilities, or find more flexible supported platforms, they choose to complain. >In the distant past it may have been correct protocol to put in hard >carriage returns a la the typewriter; but this is the age of HTML and >format=flowed, where the person viewing (or listening to) a message can >adjust it to individual needs. First of all, it's not that "distant" a past, and HTML is a poor example, since it's not generally supported on all platforms, and only supported on a select few news clients (like Netscape and Outlook Express), and often mis-used by clueless spammers and AOL wienies. Although some snotty arrogant news client authors decided for their users that free-flowing text (also known as "generic wp format) would not be supported, there's no reason why it can't. >If you consider the needs of the visually >impaired, for example, it makes more sense to send messages that can >easily be reformatted with large type, etc. That's the beauty of >electronic messages -- the recipient does not have to be bound to the >format used by the sender. At the risk of sounding insensitive, this is not the appropriate forum for that function. This is an Internet email digest that's gated to usenet, that crosses many different networks, platforms, and email and news clients. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 23:57:42 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts "Ed Ellers" wrote in message news:8q1kf3$eapfc$1@ID-39509.news.cis.dfn.de... > Somebody ought to take that one to court. How in the bleeping bleep does > the FCC get to define how a call *that does not cross a state line* has to > be dialed? Simple. Congress gave the FCC exclusive authority over the U.S. portion of the North American Numbering Plan and allowed the FCC to delegate authority to states, in Section 251(e) of the Communications Act, added in the 1996 Telecom Act. The NANP is clearly interstate in nature, and Congress preempted any independent state authority over the entire dialing and numbering system. States can only act in this area to the extent the FCC allows. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 23:57:53 -0400 From: "Alan Boritz" Subject: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Quite a few ISP customers in Northern NJ this weekend have been without Internet service due to bad interoffice trunking from Verizon/Bell Atlantic, and there's no solution in sight. All POP's in the 973-358 (Erskine Lakes) and 973-363 (Hawthorne) exchanges served by Adelphi Business Solutions are experiencing static noise and bad distortion, when called from Verizon/Bell Atlantic numbers. That by itself isn't news, except that both Verizon and Adelphi are stonewalling attempts to get it fixed. When I called my ISP, Cybernex (recently purchased by NuNet of Bethlehem, PA), tech support said they were getting a lot of calls about the problem. I also called Verizon to report the trouble on my end. However, this evening, Verizon had no record of a trouble ticket (oh, what a surprise ;), and Adelphia had no knowledge of the problem and no way to take a trouble report from me (since I wasn't their direct customer). These particular exchanges go through Rochelle Park, where a flood took out all interoffice trunking and 911 for several days. I also checked ABS numbers in Kearny, Rutherford and Oradell, and got the same distortion and bad static. Apparently, all customers served by switch PSWYNJ69DS0 (Kearny, Union City, Hackensack, Jersey City, Oradell, Rutherford, and Bayonne) are in the same boat. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 01:16:26 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Joel B Levin wrote: "Ad hominem? Try again." You were saying that a whole class of Usenet posters is not worth reading, based solely on their following a practice of which you do not approve. To me that's just as bad as the oft-cited prejudice against WebTV users, and AOL users before them, and Delphi (online service) users before them, and before *that* any posters from domains other than .edu, way back when the Internet was just starting to spread beyond academia. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 01:49:44 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Alan Boritz wrote: > The problem is not with the writer, but the reader. Some usenet junkies > run reader or client software that's somewhat outdated. Rather than > increase their capabilities, or find more flexible supported platforms, > they choose to complain. The standard says you're wrong: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1036.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 02:02:51 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) John David Galt wrote... >> The problem is not with the writer, but the reader. Some usenet junkies >> run reader or client software that's somewhat outdated. Rather than >> increase their capabilities, or find more flexible supported platforms, >> they choose to complain. > >The standard says you're wrong: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1036.txt The standard is dated 1987. Time for an update? I'm always amused when certain Internet users want to stop the clock on progress at the point when *they* started using the Internet. - -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 02:21:19 -0400 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: annoyances, was: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away In <200009180602.PAA15525@mail156.nifty.com> John De Hoog writes: >> >>The standard says you're wrong: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1036.txt >The standard is dated 1987. Time for an update? >I'm always amused when certain Internet users want to stop the clock >on progress at the point when *they* started using the Internet. Well, it's quite simple. If you want to be read _on this newsgroup_ then you post in ascii. If you insist on polluting it with extraneous crap, then I, and many other folk, will either ignore you or killfile your postings. Anyway, I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone as self-deluded as you seem to be. And yes, that's my final answer. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 02:50:12 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: annoyances, was: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away danny burstein wrote... >Well, it's quite simple. If you want to be read _on this newsgroup_ then >you post in ascii. If you insist on polluting it with extraneous crap, >then I, and many other folk, will either ignore you or killfile your >postings. No one is talking about extraneous crap. The issue is whether or not to make allowance for old news readers that cannot word-wrap at a user-designated point. At no point have I advocated posting to Usenet in HTML or any other rich format. - -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 03:35:31 -0400 From: mau@beatles.cselt.it (Maurizio Codogno) Subject: Re: Sorry, but... In article , Alan Boritz wrote: : Newsreaders and email clients that can't wrap lines are brain dead. : : >X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) : >Originator: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) : : Get a better newsreader, perhaps on a more flexible platform, and you : wouldn't have that problem. Never had any problems in having line wrapped. .mau. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #57 ******************************* From ???@??? Tue Sep 19 08:48:43 2000 Date: 18 Sep 2000 22:47:30 -0400 Message-ID: <20000919024730.24915.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #58 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 91867afb2d67828833fe0f2d4acb8cfc Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, September 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 058 In this issue: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability HTML in email Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Fwd: Important Message from Digital:Convergence Corporation Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Caller ID and answer supervision? Re: iname.com: Front For Targeted Spam? Re: Sorry, but... Re: Message format MCI Problems Re: Message format Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability Re: Sorry, but... Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability 9/18/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Sep 2000 07:53:19 -0400 From: Roy Smith Subject: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ "Alan Boritz" wrote: > These particular exchanges go through Rochelle Park, where a flood took > out all interoffice trunking and 911 for several days. It's been almost 20 years since I lived in the area, but my recollection is that floods taking out Rochelle Park are a moderately frequent occurance, due to the fact that it's built in the flood plain. Definately NOT the site I would have picked for a major piece of infrastructure. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 08:39:34 -0400 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability On 18 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400, Michael D. Sullivan wrote: >If the wireless companies don't see porting wireline numbers as a profitable >endeavor, they won't spend the money to do it. You can cancel your wired >line and go cellular right now; you just won't be able to keep your number. >There is no assurance that your cellular company will rush out and spend >billions of dollars in November of next year to be able to port every >wireline number in their service area just because they have to become >LNP-capable. Except that Clearnet in Canada is already rushing to do just that. Where one goes, the others will almost certainly follow. And in order to get this, they are GIVING UP the ability to lock their customers into their own long-distance rates - once they get wireless LNP up and running, the tradeoff is that customers can sign up with Sprint Canada, Telus, or whoever they like for long distance. Given that loss of revenue, Clearnet must have a whole boatload of faith that LNP will more than make up for that shortfall. / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / I was in the grocery store. I saw a sign that said "pet supplies". So / I did. Then I went outside and saw a sign that said "compact cars". / --Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 08:49:16 -0400 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: HTML in email On 18 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400, Ed Ellers wrote: >Fred Goldstein wrote: > >"Second, this digest is an email digest gatewayed to Usenet, not a web site >Both email and Usenet are "plain text" media by specification. HTML is >abusive." > >Oh, not this old chestnut again. If, in fact, HTML is so inappropriate, why >do both Microsoft and Netscape include that option in their mail and news >programs? > >I fully agree that HTML *can* be abused (especially since many list servers >don't pass it properly), but I do not agree that it *is* abusive by >definition. Sure it is, because it is *NOT* a universally agreed-upon standard. If you send me HTML email, it looks like a dog's breakfast and is virtually unreadable. That, to my mind, is abusive - and frankly pretty f'ing stupid. If you *KNOW* the recipient (and in the case of a mailing list or newsgroup, that means *EVERYBODY* connected to it) supports HTML, then go nuts - use it. But if you don't know this for a fact, stick to the *STANDARDS* that everybody's agreed to. And that means ASCII text only. As for Microsoft... well, whenever I get any email that has a "winmail.dat" file attached to it, my client simply diverts it to /dev/null. My client can't read that crap so why should I bother? Put this all another way - if you start writing your posts here in Swedish, don't be surprised if the rest of us don't bother to cut-and-paste it into a language translator. We're going to just move on to the next message. If you persist in your Swedish posts, we're going to remind you that English is the "standard" language here and that your posts are becoming annoying. So why should HTML posting be considered any differently, if users of the "standard language", ie: ASCII text, can't understand it? / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / Last time I went skiing, I had to get up at 5:00 in the morning. I knew / I couldn't do that, so I slept with my skis on. My ride came at 5:30 in / the morning, couldn't wake me up so he carried me out of the house, put / my skis on the roof rack of the car, and drove to the mountain. / Seventeen miles later, I woke up out of this incredibly bizarre dream / that I was skydiving horizontally. I'm sure this has happened to you. / --Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 09:34:31 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Michael D. Sullivan wrote: > wrote in message >> The first 6 digits cuts the possibilities down to >> at most 7 carriers, so you can either just set up the clearing house >> database to hold the entire 10 digits, or blind query all 7 possible >> carriers and only one should answer. > Huh? The first 6 digits allows identification of up to one million > (10^6)destinations. All the carriers and switches in the NANP currently Yes, but if I recall correctly, there can only be 2 analog cell providers plus 5 digital cell providers in a given area. So NPA-NXX should resolve down to 7 or fewer possible carriers. If the central authority database just sends a query to all 7, then it should only get a response from the one who holds the service, and can store that info in its cache. > Given that the first six digits identifies one and only one carrier and > switch in the current system, why change this? LNP breaks the six-digit > identification when looking at phone numbers. That's why the wireless > carriers will use a separate MIN that won't necessarily represent the phone > number; it can hold a dummy number whose first six digits unambiguously > identify the actual home carrier and switch and whose last four digits > provide a mapping to the phone number or MDN. > I don't understand your question about blind querying the seven possible > carriers. Which seven carriers? There are hundreds of wireless carriers > and many thousands of wireless switches. See above. NPA-NXX should resolve down to very few carriers. It occurs to me that the separate MIN may have some other advantages though. It's what they are doing, so there is little point to second guessing them now. >> So maybe next year (Nov. 2001) I'll be able to cancel my wired line >> and go cellular. I look forward to it, because there is no other >> competition in my area. > Wireline LNP is in place now. That doesn't mean that there are companies in > place everywhere who can make a successful business of porting numbers. I'm > not surprised that CLECs haven't made it to Blacksburg, VA (home of Virginia > Tech) yet; they have to make a profitable business case. I'm not surprised either. We are really quite rural here, except for the university and immediate surroundings. Anyway, there are cellular carriers with local service and they are adding capacity. > If the wireless companies don't see porting wireline numbers as a profitable > endeavor, they won't spend the money to do it. You can cancel your wired > line and go cellular right now; you just won't be able to keep your number. > There is no assurance that your cellular company will rush out and spend > billions of dollars in November of next year to be able to port every > wireline number in their service area just because they have to become > LNP-capable. Huh? I thought they were going to be required to do it. Of course, that leads back to my original question. Will the FCC *really* require it? All we can do at this point is speculate. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 09:57:21 -0400 From: Mike Pollock Subject: Fwd: Important Message from Digital:Convergence Corporation Whoops! - --- "Digital:Convergence Communications" wrote: > Subject: Important Message from Digital:Convergence > Corporation > Dear :CueCat member, > > We've been alerted to a security breach in our > system that may have > exposed certain members' names and email addresses. > As one of the > members who may be susceptible, we want to explain > to you how you may > be affected and what we are doing to rectify the > situation. > > Digital:Convergence has secured the site and is > conducting a thorough > security examination to ensure the safety of its > information. > > As a result of this breach, unauthorized third > parties may have been > able to gather your name and email address. You may > receive > unsolicited emails (a.k.a. spam) from unrecognized > sources. If you do > not recognize the source, please delete the email > immediately. You can > also go to www.cauce.org, which provides information > on spam and > spam-blocking software programs that will prevent > unwanted emails from > reaching your desktop. > > In light of these developments, we would like to > give you a $10 gift > certificate to RadioShack. If you are interested in > receiving this > certificate, please fill out a short form and > we will mail it to you. > > Digital:Convergence values our members and > reiterates our commitment > not to share your personal identifying information > with third > parties. We regret any inconvenience you may > experience. We have fixed > the problem and are taking extra precautionary steps > to ensure it > won't happen again. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 10:02:05 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) In <8q48eq$ep409$1@ID-39509.news.cis.dfn.de>, "Ed Ellers" wrote: }Joel B Levin wrote: } }"Ad hominem? Try again." } }You were saying that a whole class of Usenet posters is not worth reading, Try again. I find a whole "class" of Usenet postings, those encoded in a non-text language, is not worth the effort of reading, or in other words because such postings fail to conform to the standards of Usenet. This applies to postings from any ISP. You keep bringing up webtv and AOL. Maybe you should look up "ad hominem" again. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 10:59:21 -0400 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Caller ID and answer supervision? >Rich Wales wrote: > >: Recently, she tried several times (without success) to reach a cousin >: in another state. Each time, the phone rang about six times, but no >: one answered. When her phone bill arrived, [SNIP!: Billed anyway] dold@rahul.net writes: > >Some switches have a programmed "assumed supervision". >The default on the Dex600 is 60 seconds, so if you listen to ringing, or a >busy signal, for more than 60 seconds, you will be billed for the call. Another possibility is an automatic FAX/Voice switch at the recipient's end. Listen closely to the call completion process from the moment you finish dialing the last digit. If you hear a first (or partial) ring of one cadence and perhaps a click and then a ring of a second cadence, it is possible that a FAX/VOICE switch at the recipient's house did indeed answer the call and while waiting to check the line for the telltail fax beep, is sending back a fake ringing signal. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 12:02:56 -0400 From: Chris Wysocki Subject: Re: iname.com: Front For Targeted Spam? At 06:15 AM 9/18/00 -0400, "Alan Boritz" wrote: >I checked out iname.com's website, after being referred by a friend who >uses the service... >... When I checked further on their >sponsor, mail.com, I found that they pitch ISP's for their services to make >their email a revenue generator rather than a cost center. If doubleclick >is running most of their web site, it's fairly obvious where some of their >income is coming from. Are these slimeballs also harvesting email addresses >from people who send mail TO iname.com subscribers so they can abuse both >the receivers AND senders? It would appear that they are indeed harvesting e-mail addresses from senders to iname.com. I sent a message from my BellSouth IPS Pager to someone on iname.com and now my pager gets bombarded with spam from "england.com" - also hosted by mail.com. Fortunately most of the spam is over 2000 characters so my pager silently rejects it. But, whatever does get thru counts toward my monthly limit of 50K characters so I suspect that I'll be paying to receive spam. I've asked BellSouth to change my pager's e-mail address, which is a different kind of pain-in-the-butt. ...Chris Wysocki - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 13:13:20 -0400 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Sorry, but... In article , Alan Boritz wrote: >>[I wrote:] >>It is not the business of a news client to wrap lines, or do anything >>else to damage the original article author's presentation. > >Sure it is. Newsreaders and email clients that can't wrap lines are brain dead. BZZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing. The standard for Usenet articles, RFC 1036, says that Usenet articles consist of text. (And no, pointing out that it's a ten-year-old standard is utterly irrelevant -- the articles are transported using the twenty-year-old Internet Protocol and the ten-year-old (as modified by Van Jacobson) TCP.) If you don't want to format your articles correctly, don't expect other people to take the effort of reading them. (And for Mr. Black Hole: if you don't want to provide a valid reply address, then don't expect other people to take the effort of replying.) - -GAWollman (a/k/a usenet@lcs.mit.edu) - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 13:50:45 -0400 From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: Message format At 17:13:29 -0400 9/17/00, "Ed Ellers" wrote: >More ad hominem attacks, hmmm? Refusing to use html is not an ad hominem [q.v.] attack. It's more of an ad protocolem attack. >Someone wrote: >"...and (2) because if I did have an html-aware newsreader they could easily >be a source of web bugs I don't want to enable." > >Why would they be any more so than Web sites themselves? Well, it's because when you web surf, you go to sites of your own choosing, which, if you are smart and not particularly driven to risky behavior, are not likely to contain malicious code or attempt do bad things to you. You cannot say the same for e-mail. You don't choose it, it is just sent to you. In fact, some documented e-mail exploits work specifically by sending you a link to a URL that you would never have visited on your own, in order to install viral code or run some process on your machine (depending on the particular vulnerability). That's much more dangerous than most normal surfing habits, where you will seldom if ever run across a malicious site run by the nastyfolk. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:18:23 -0400 From: "Stephen K Taylor" Subject: MCI Problems This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C02194.AC537180 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C02194.AC5B12A0" - ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C02194.AC5B12A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, I read you e-mail published in the comp.dcom.telecom with interest.In my = profession, I've experienced allot of the symptoms that you described. In response to your question,yes I have had allot of experience with MCI = with the type of symptoms you outlined.Most of the problems MCI has = recently (in my opinion) are echoing,static.latency and dropped calls. = Frankly, most of MCI network quality issues are probably due to echo = cancelers and routing traffic over earlier Vo/IP switches (most likely = provided by a wholesale carrier). I know you didn't have time to go into great detail, but from the = information you provided I concluded that you may have separate causes = of the symptoms.The "dropped calls" symptom could be caused by the = following: *Excessive traffic loads on your PBX/ACD or ACD switch. -Drops could be caused by loads on CPU processing, = memory or inadequate time=20 slots ( depending on the type of switch your = customer has, such as Nortel), improper setting of master/slave clock synchronization between PBX, = CSU/DSU and MCI CO. switch, improper=20 setting of clock mode in any of the three = entities, D-channel assignment in the PBX, improper grounding of the PBX and/or CSU/DSU,inadequate number of = time slots available between network nodes in PBX, or similar equipment issues with the MCI CO switch = as with the PBX.Dropped calls caused by Vo/IP switches and/or echo cancelers are normally = limited to certain calling areas of the country or foreign calls. The inability of a call to go out at all is most often caused by issues = in the PBX.Excessive traffic loads for the PBX=20 components available, CPU processing limitations, memory limitations and = T-1 channel limitations are typical causes of failed outgoing call = attempts. >>From statements you made in your transmittal I suspect that you are a = vendor provided PBX technician and you probably know most or all of what = I have discussed. Sometimes we get to the point where we can't see the = forest for all of the trees in the way, so I thought I should cover all = the bases. MCI historically has some real problems with service when it comes to = network issues.It is very difficult to get them to be accountable for = any problem that could affect their credibility.I suspect that your = biggest challenge is getting a MCI tech onsite with the proper test = equipment( normally they should arrive with at least a T-Bird test unit) = in order to isolatethe equipment or area where the source(s) of the = symptoms exist. I hope the above has helped. If not please feel feel to contact me. Stephen K. Taylor=20 =20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C02194.AC5B12A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
I read you e-mail published in the comp.dcom.telecom = with=20 interest.In my profession, I've experienced allot of the symptoms = that you=20 described.
In response to your question,yes I have had allot of = experience with MCI with the type of symptoms you outlined.Most of the = problems=20 MCI has recently (in my opinion) are echoing,static.latency and dropped = calls.=20 Frankly, most of MCI network quality issues are probably due to echo = cancelers=20 and routing traffic over earlier Vo/IP switches (most likely provided by = a=20 wholesale carrier).
I know you didn't have time to go into great detail, = but from=20 the information you provided I concluded that you may have separate = causes=20 of the symptoms.The "dropped calls" symptom could be caused by the=20 following:
 
          &nbs= p;     =20 *Excessive traffic loads on your PBX/ACD or ACD switch.
          &nbs= p;         =20 - -Drops could be caused by  loads on CPU processing, memory or = inadequate=20 time
          &nbs= p;          =20 slots ( depending on the type of switch your customer has, such as = Nortel),=20 improper setting of
          &nbs= p;          =20 master/slave clock synchronization between PBX, CSU/DSU and MCI CO. = switch,=20 improper
          &nbs= p;          =20 setting of clock mode in any of the three entities, D-channel assignment = in the=20 PBX, improper grounding
          &nbs= p;          =20 of the PBX and/or CSU/DSU,inadequate number of time slots available = between=20 network nodes in PBX,
          &nbs= p;          =20 or similar equipment issues with the MCI CO switch as with the = PBX.Dropped calls=20 caused by Vo/IP
          &nbs= p;          =20 switches and/or echo cancelers are normally limited to certain calling = areas of=20 the country or foreign
          &nbs= p;          =20 calls.
 
The inability of a call to go out at all is most = often caused=20 by issues in the PBX.Excessive traffic loads for the PBX
components available, CPU processing limitations, = memory=20 limitations and T-1 channel limitations are typical causes of failed = outgoing=20 call attempts.
From statements you made in your transmittal I = suspect that=20 you are a vendor provided PBX technician and you probably know most or = all of=20 what I have discussed. Sometimes we get to the point where we can't see = the=20 forest for all of the trees in the way, so I thought I should cover all = the=20 bases.
MCI historically has some real problems with service = when it=20 comes to network issues.It is very difficult to get them to be = accountable for=20 any problem that could affect their credibility.I suspect that your = biggest=20 challenge is getting a MCI tech onsite with the proper test equipment( = normally=20 they should arrive with at least a T-Bird test unit) in order to=20 isolatethe equipment or area where the source(s) = of the=20 symptoms exist.
I hope the above has helped. If not please feel feel = to=20 contact me.
 
Stephen K. Taylor 
 
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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:43:26 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format Gary Novosielski wrote: "Refusing to use html is not an ad hominem [q.v.] attack." But accusing those who do use HTML of having nothing worthwhile to say, based solely on that practice, is such an attack. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:47:52 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability Joey Lindstrom wrote: "And in order to get this, they are GIVING UP the ability to lock their customers into their own long-distance rates - once they get wireless LNP up and running, the tradeoff is that customers can sign up with Sprint Canada, Telus, or whoever they like for long distance." Too bad U.S. wireless operators aren't required to provide equal access (aside from RBOC subsidiaries of course). Joey then quoted from Steven Wright: "I was in the grocery store. I saw a sign that said "pet supplies". So I did. Then I went outside and saw a sign that said "compact cars"." Sounds like the fellow from Eastern Europe who went to an American supermarket for the first time. He saw powdered milk, he saw instant coffee, he saw instant cocoa, and when he saw baby powder, he exclaimed, "What a country!" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:56:38 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Sorry, but... Steve Sobol wrote: "Posts from usenet ARE accepted..." Not if one's NNTP host is not properly configured to recognize moderated newsgroups as such. MSN used to have problems in that regard -- they didn't flag moderated newsgroups in that way, and when I tried to post from there to this group my messages never got to Pat for approval -- and I was also seeing spam and other junk in the newsgroup that I know darn well would not have gotten past Pat's wary eye. Apparently, MSN's server was just shooting the posts out as though the group was unmoderated, and such posts would only appear on similarly misconfigured servers. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 20:57:55 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Joel B Levin wrote: "This applies to postings from any ISP. You keep bringing up webtv and AOL." As examples of classes of Internet users who are widely viewed with scorn by those who consider themselves "true Netizens." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:07:57 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) John De Hoog wrote: "The standard is dated 1987. Time for an update?" I'd say so, especially since both that standard and the email standard on which it is based went through long before the Web (based on HTML) made its appearance. Seems to me that the standards could be rewritten to allow a *subset* of HTML to be used in messages while specifically disallowing those things that are most troublesome when abused (funny colors, too-small type, JavaScript, pictures, etc.), so that we could get beyond ASCII and into more readable text. "I'm always amused when certain Internet users want to stop the clock on progress at the point when *they* started using the Internet." Yep -- about as bad as certain amateur radio operators who are fighting to the death to keep the Morse Code test for the HF bands, simply because *they* had to pass that test to get their licenses. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 22:03:51 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability "Ed Ellers" wrote in message news:8q6d2j$ejnn1$1@ID-39509.news.cis.dfn.de... > Too bad U.S. wireless operators aren't required to provide equal access > (aside from RBOC subsidiaries of course). Since passage of the 1996 Telecom Act, all wireless operators, including RBOCs, have been exempted from any equal access obligation. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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Tue Sep 19 08:49:03 2000 Date: 19 Sep 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20000919101510.9357.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #59 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: b7e8bbbd323422375fdecb9d7dc912b1 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, September 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 059 In this issue: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Message format Re: Message format Re: Message format Re: Sorry, but... Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Sep 2000 23:02:19 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability (article) wrote in message news:8q55kh$hue$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > Yes, but if I recall correctly, there can only be 2 analog cell providers > plus 5 digital cell providers in a given area. So NPA-NXX should resolve > down to 7 or fewer possible carriers. If the central authority database > just sends a query to all 7, then it should only get a response from > the one who holds the service, and can store that info in its cache. Given the wireless carriers' ability to disaggregate spectrum and partition service areas, there is no specific upper bound on the number of providers in a given area. As a practical matter, yes, in most cases there will be 7 or fewer. Now I see where you are going: Instead of splitting the current MIN (Mobile Identification Number), which serves as both the phone number and identification of the phone and carrier, into separate MDN (Mobile Directory Number [dialable phone number]) and MIN (unique identification of the phone and carrier), simply use the MIN, or directory number of the phone. From that, determine what rate center it's from, look up all of the wireless carriers there, and query all of them. There are several problems with this. First, it requires multiple queries just to determine the proper carrier, resulting in about a sevenfold increase in costs for that function of the clearinghouse, imposing costs on six carriers not associated with the phone and disclosing CPNI to those six carriers, and delaying verification. If I were a carrier with a small subscriber base competing with larger carriers, my switch would be queried every time my competitors' customers roamed, imposing disproportionate costs on me. For example, a provider with a 5% market share would get 19 queries concerning other providers' roaming customers for every query concerning the provider's own roaming customers (assuming roaming patterns are the same among the various carriers). The small carrier's costs associated with roaming verification would therefore be disproportionately high per actual customer. This system will not scale well when more carriers are authorized and participate in the roaming clearinghouse, since costs will increase based on the number of carriers, with no increase in the number of customers. Second, it requires multiple database lookups. Presented with a roamer phone number, the clearinghouse would have to determine, (1) what rate center the NPA-NXX is associated with, (2) what wireless carriers have a presence in that rate center (either through assignment of an NPA-NXX, a thousands' block, or ported numbers), and (3) what switches of those carriers to query -- all before even making the multiple queries. The MIN/MDN split, on the other hand, gives the clearinghouse a unique index into a single database that identifies the carrier and switch, as well as the user account, all with one database dip; and only one query then needs to be made. Third, it provides no forward-looking ability to expand the implementation of number portability beyond the rate center. If and when number portability extends across an entire NPA or metro area, your system would have to query many more providers, since a number from one part of an NPA could be ported elsewhere in the NPA where the carriers may be different from those in the original serving rate center. Moreover, the system will break completely if and when number portability becomes nationwide instead of local. Under that scenario, a 202-NXX number originally assigned to a Washington, D.C. mobile could be ported to a Hawaiian wireless carrier, eliminating the geographic mapping of NPAs. This would potentially require queries to every wireless provider in the North American Numbering Plan. Having the MIN as a unique identifier of the serving carrier and account avoids the need for all of these queries. > See above. NPA-NXX should resolve down to very few carriers. It occurs to > me that the separate MIN may have some other advantages though. It's what > they are doing, so there is little point to second guessing them now. Again, NPA-NXX will *now* resolve to a small number of carriers, after some hefty database dips. Remember, roaming mobiles need to undergo registration (automatically) every time they move into another provider's service area. There are a lot of lookups involved for a mobile roaming along an interstate highway, and minimizing the cost of this process is essential. > >> So maybe next year (Nov. 2001) I'll be able to cancel my wired line > >> and go cellular. I look forward to it, because there is no other > >> competition in my area. > > > Wireline LNP is in place now. That doesn't mean that there are companies in > > place everywhere who can make a successful business of porting numbers. I'm > > not surprised that CLECs haven't made it to Blacksburg, VA (home of Virginia > > Tech) yet; they have to make a profitable business case. > > I'm not surprised either. We are really quite rural here, except for > the university and immediate surroundings. Anyway, there are cellular > carriers with local service and they are adding capacity. And maybe one or more of those wireless carriers will find wireline replacement to be a good business. Given the cost of providing rural wireline service, wireless can be an attractive alternative technology. Western Wireless, in particular, has been active in this out West. Whether LNP will be an important factor remains to be seen. > > If the wireless companies don't see porting wireline numbers as a profitable > > endeavor, they won't spend the money to do it. You can cancel your wired > > line and go cellular right now; you just won't be able to keep your number. > > There is no assurance that your cellular company will rush out and spend > > billions of dollars in November of next year to be able to port every > > wireline number in their service area just because they have to become > > LNP-capable. > > Huh? I thought they were going to be required to do it. > Of course, that leads back to my original question. Will > the FCC *really* require it? All we can do at this point > is speculate. Wireless companies are entitled to port wireline number right now, because the wireline carriers are required to be LNP-capable. The wireline does the porting. For the wireless company to accept a ported wireline number, it has to establish a presence in the rate center. When wireless carriers are obligated to become LNP-capable, they will have to port numbers *to* other carriers wanting to acquire them, provided the carrier accepting the ported number has a presence in the rate center and the technical capability of accepting the ported number. You can't port your number to a carrier that isn't present to be ported to. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 23:10:33 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts "Ed Ellers" writes: > Fred Goldstein wrote: > > "We just split all of Eastern MA two years ago, creating 781 and 978 to > relieve 617 and 508. They split in order to retain seven-digit dialing, > since the FCC, again causing unnecessary pain, demands that overlays be > accompanied by ten-digit dialing." > > Somebody ought to take that one to court. How in the bleeping bleep does > the FCC get to define how a call *that does not cross a state line* has to > be dialed? Stop and *think* for a minute. An overlay *without* 10-digit dialing is insane. The dialing rules get really messy. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 23:42:39 -0400 From: stheri01@emerald.tufts.edu (Seth Theriault) Subject: Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts Leonard Erickson wrote: > Stop and *think* for a minute. An overlay *without* 10-digit dialing is > insane. The dialing rules get really messy. Of course, any messiness doesn't seem to affect NYC, where dialing within and among 212, 646, 718, 347, and 917 seems to follow the standard 7-digit and 1+NXX procedures. I haven't even tried to dial locally with just ten digits. I seem to remember that NYC was specifically exempted from the mandatory 10-digit dialing for "historical" reasons: the city has always had at least two area codes. Anyone care to refresh my memory? Seth - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 00:07:20 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) John De Hoog writes: > John David Galt wrote... > >>> The problem is not with the writer, but the reader. Some usenet junkies >>> run reader or client software that's somewhat outdated. Rather than >>> increase their capabilities, or find more flexible supported platforms, >>> they choose to complain. >> >>The standard says you're wrong: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1036.txt > > The standard is dated 1987. Time for an update? Why? It works perfectly well as it is. And besides, you'll find *several* RFCs that expand upon it. Funny thing though. None of them remove that "limit" on line lengths. > I'm always amused when certain Internet users want to stop the clock > on progress at the point when *they* started using the Internet. What makes you think that reformatting message text is progress? I've yet to see a program do that *without* messing up things by reformatting text that *shouldn't* have been reformatted. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 00:07:21 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) "Ed Ellers" writes: > John De Hoog wrote: > > "The standard is dated 1987. Time for an update?" > > I'd say so, especially since both that standard and the email standard on > which it is based went through long before the Web (based on HTML) made its > appearance. Seems to me that the standards could be rewritten to allow a > *subset* of HTML to be used in messages while specifically disallowing those > things that are most troublesome when abused (funny colors, too-small type, > JavaScript, pictures, etc.), so that we could get beyond ASCII and into more > readable text. Well, to start with, fonts would have to be forbidden. In fact the *only* things that would really be of much use are text "styles" (bold, italic, underline), and maybe paragraph begin/end markers. I can't really see the need for anything beyond that. BTW, one of the atrocities that MS seems fond of is "enhancing" text by changing ASCII characters such as quotes and apostrophes to the characters they added to the reserved range in ISO Latin 1. With the result that folks running other character sets get weird characters instead of the perfectly readable ASCII. Macs do that sort of thing occasionally also. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 00:07:20 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Message format "Ed Ellers" writes: > Gary Novosielski wrote: > > "Refusing to use html is not an ad hominem [q.v.] attack." > > But accusing those who do use HTML of having nothing worthwhile to say, > based solely on that practice, is such an attack. That's not what he said. They may have something worthwhile to say. It's just not worth the hassle of setting things up so the HTML is readable. Especially given the security problems that enabling HTML introduces. It's similar to saying that it's not worth the trouble to read messages in languages you don't know. That doesn't mean that the poster didn't have anything worthwhile to say. It means that it requires to much effort on the reader's part to extract the content. And people who post in the "wrong" language in a group *are* going to get ignored, and have no one but themselves (or the maker of the software that presents the message in HTML) to blame. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 00:07:18 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 "Ed Ellers" writes: > Fred Goldstein wrote: > > "Second, this digest is an email digest gatewayed to Usenet, not a web site > Both email and Usenet are "plain text" media by specification. HTML is > abusive." > > Oh, not this old chestnut again. If, in fact, HTML is so inappropriate, why > do both Microsoft and Netscape include that option in their mail and news > programs? Because they don't give a damn about the standards. > I fully agree that HTML *can* be abused (especially since many list servers > don't pass it properly), but I do not agree that it *is* abusive by > definition. HTML in news is extremely inappropriate. In mail, it can be useful, but should only be sent to people expecting it. I've gotten messages on one system here that after stripping the MIME and HTML went from 30k to 2k. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 00:33:27 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) In <8q6dm9$en111$1@ID-39509.news.cis.dfn.de>, "Ed Ellers" wrote: }Joel B Levin wrote: } }"This applies to postings from any ISP. You keep bringing up webtv and }AOL." } }As examples of classes of Internet users who are widely viewed with scorn by }those who consider themselves "true Netizens." Yes, but I never said anything about them, only about articles posted in HTML. You want "ad hominem", look in the mirror. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 01:09:14 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Message format 18 Sep 2000 21:07:57 -0400 "Ed Ellers" wrote: >John De Hoog wrote: > >"The standard is dated 1987. Time for an update?" > >I'd say so, especially since both that standard and the email standard on >which it is based went through long before the Web (based on HTML) made its >appearance. Seems to me that the standards could be rewritten to allow a >*subset* of HTML to be used in messages while specifically disallowing those >things that are most troublesome when abused (funny colors, too-small type, >JavaScript, pictures, etc.), so that we could get beyond ASCII and into more >readable text. This may have some validity *but* every digest that I've ever been on for mailing lists every one that anyone posted in HTML shows every damned markup. HTML does crap in a digest including this one. Even in today's mailing someone posted an HTML message that showed first the text and then displayed three times the length of the original posting in HTML markups. Truly ugly and a true waste of space. Other than to make pretty colors and fonts what's the big advantage of HTML? Not a lot that I can see. My guess is that people feel that the content of their messages isn't important enough so they feel that they muss dress it up to make it worth something. It isn't any more readable in HTML and more often than not is downright ugly especially if you have a reader that's incapable of rendering HTML. If your goal is to limit your audience you'll do that by sending HTML to a public group either a mailing list or a usenet newsgroup. Many people will not be bothered. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 01:19:35 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Message format In <00918.204959.3T6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com>, shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) wrote: }It's similar to saying that it's not worth the trouble to read messages }in languages you don't know. That doesn't mean that the poster didn't }have anything worthwhile to say. It means that it requires to much }effort on the reader's part to extract the content. } }And people who post in the "wrong" language in a group *are* going to }get ignored, and have no one but themselves (or the maker of the }software that presents the message in HTML) to blame. What he said. And I'm done with this topic, which is no longer germane to this newsgroup / list. /J - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 01:33:27 -0400 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Message format In article <3.0.5.32.20000918220241.0083ccf0@oz.net>, Joseph Singer wrote: >If your goal is to limit your audience you'll do that by >sending HTML to a public group either a mailing list or a usenet newsgroup. > Many people will not be bothered. Particularly since many Usenet servers have spam filters which are configured to reject HTML automatically. (Such as the one I run; hence, I did not see the post referred to by the previous poster in text not quoted above.) [1] HTML adds next to nothing to discourse. Just as in the Real World, people who have something of value to say, say it with a minimum of tarting-up, and people who have nothing to say continually find new ways to prove it. Compare, if you will, the informational content of the average newsmagazine (or, Ghu help me, /WiReD/), to an opinion magazine like /The New Republic/ or /The Weekly Standard/ (or even a non-political publication like /National Geographic/), and then compare the amount of (for lack of a better phrase) ``user interface''. Good writing and quality information speak for themselves. Bad writing and poor (or absent) informational content need the flash and glitter to distract readers from what's missing. - -GAWollman [1] This is not to suggest that all possible uses of markup in USENET or in electronic mail are automatically bogus. Indeed, it's easy to come up with examples where a little added intelligence would give a large benefit in ease-of-expression. (Diagramming would be one obvious example.) However, there is no markup mechanism under the sun that cannot be misused, and many USENET administrators have decided that the abuse is worse than the difficulty of expressing everything in 80-character lines of 7-bit ASCII [2]. [2] Most if not all servers will accept any 8-bit character set as well, provided it is appropriately indicated to readers. - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 01:55:16 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Sorry, but... >>From 'Ed Ellers': >"Posts from usenet ARE accepted..." > >Not if one's NNTP host is not properly configured to recognize moderated >newsgroups as such. But that's not the moderator's fault. That's a misconfiguration of the NNTP server. - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 02:15:55 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: More Area Code Fun in Eastern Massachusetts Seth Theriault wrote: > > Leonard Erickson wrote: > > > Stop and *think* for a minute. An overlay *without* 10-digit dialing is > > insane. The dialing rules get really messy. > > Of course, any messiness doesn't seem to affect NYC, where dialing within > and among 212, 646, 718, 347, and 917 seems to follow the standard 7-digit > and 1+NXX procedures. I haven't even tried to dial locally with just ten > digits. > > I seem to remember that NYC was specifically exempted from the mandatory > 10-digit dialing for "historical" reasons: the city has always had at > least two area codes. Anyone care to refresh my memory? They were allowed to have a wireless-only overlay (and 7 digit dialing within each area code) because they got both in place early. Then a cellular carrier complained and got wireless-only overlays banned (when California tried to create 562 as one) and CLECs got overlays that allowed 7-digit dialing banned (when Texas tried to do them, IIRC). So NYC has been "grandfathered" in both respects. I understand they've agreed to give up this special status a few months after 646 and 347 are working, however. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #59 ******************************* From ???@??? Wed Sep 20 08:30:43 2000 Date: 20 Sep 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000920101511.27266.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #60 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: a0cf72c79bc7cefce06095a7cec90419 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, September 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 060 In this issue: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Message format Message format feedback? on 900 mhz cordless Re: feedback? on 900 mhz cordless Re: feedback? on 900 mhz cordless Split Prefix Re: Message format Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: Split Prefix Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: a news report warning of pager scam 800 carrier w/CID, internet ANI & inet block/pass? 9/19/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Message format Re: Message format Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: Split Prefix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:33:49 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Subject: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ On 17 Sep 2000, Alan Boritz wrote: > Apparently, all customers served by switch PSWYNJ69DS0 (Kearny, Union City, ^^^^^^^^^^^ Question, what is that number, and how did you get it? "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:01:10 -0400 From: "Andy Ball" Subject: Message format FamilyNet HQ: Telnet:\\www.family-bbs.net Hello Joel! JBL> Random web-bug (1 pixel images, for instance) don't do > anything in text only mail / news reader. One of the perks of using a mail program Sun describe as 'antique'. For news I'm currently using SLMR, which knows nothing about MIME, HTML or other such oddities. One of my pet peeves about a lot of mail clients I see is their default use of a proportional typeface. Obviously this flies in the face of convention and makes ASCII tables, diagrams and such pretty unreadable. What's worse is that some 'Internet Appliance' devices seem to be inheriting this problem, and they're probably not so easily fixed as software on a PC or Mac. Regards, - Andy. * SLMR 2.1a * FamilyNet <> Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:01:17 -0400 From: "Andy Ball" Subject: Message format FamilyNet HQ: Telnet:\\www.family-bbs.net Hello Alan! AB> The problem is not with the writer, but the reader. > Some usenet junkies run reader or client software > that's somewhat outdated. Rather than increase the > capabilities, or find more flexible supported > platforms, they choose to complain. But more recent software doesn't always have increased capabilities! I can do things with mail that I couldn't do with more modern software. All that misses the point though. To maximise the liklihood of the destination user being able to read my messages I stick to 7-bit ASCII wherever possible, since it's supported by the vast majority of platforms, even if they also support HTML, RTF or whatever. I'm not saying that extensions shouldn't exist for other languages or special situations, but I would question the wisdom of the blanket assumption that everyone should send their mail or news postings in something that may not be supported at the destination. - - Andy. * SLMR 2.1a * FamilyNet <> Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:38:56 -0400 From: Andy Rowan Subject: feedback? on 900 mhz cordless I just bought an analog 900MHz cordless phone, the IBM 3150. Needed a 2-line phone with a headset jack, and this one came with a headset in the box. But when I talk on this phone, I hear a sort of ringing sound in the earpiece that sort of echos my talking. It's a high-pitched sound, kind of like when your ears ring. When I talk and then stop talking (like every word) I hear it and then it dies away. Echo, feedback, that sort of thing. This is the first 900 MHz cordless I've had. Do they all do this, or do I just have to get a different one, or is there something I can do to fix it? Does digital or DSS do away with this problem? It's normally situated near the computer, but the sound is the same with the computer on or off. It's worse using the headset (I hear it more), but it's there even without the headset. Advice welcome. (I don't subscribe to the digest, but I assume I can catch it all on comp.dcom.telecom) Thanks! - -Andy rowan at stream rutgers edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 14:53:28 -0400 From: Subject: Re: feedback? on 900 mhz cordless Andy Rowan wrote: > I just bought an analog 900MHz cordless phone, the IBM 3150. Needed a > the box. But when I talk on this phone, I hear a sort of ringing sound > in the earpiece that sort of echos my talking. It's a high-pitched > sound, kind of like when your ears ring. When I talk and then stop > This is the first 900 MHz cordless I've had. Do they all do this, or do > I just have to get a different one, or is there something I can do to > fix it? Does digital or DSS do away with this problem? It's normally I am not familiar with the phone you have. I just recently switched to a digital spread spectrum phone from Sony. There is no high pitched noise or any such problem with it. I would say you got a bad phone. Even my old (non 900MHz) analog cordless had not such problems. I think I would return it. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:12:52 -0400 From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: feedback? on 900 mhz cordless It was a dark and stormy night when Andy Rowan wrote: >Do they all do this, or do No. My Panasonic KX-TG200-B "Gigarange" (900MHz/2.4GHz DSS) does not. >I just have to get a different one, or is there something I can do to >fix it? Does digital or DSS do away with this problem? It's normally >situated near the computer, but the sound is the same with the computer >on or off. Doesn't sound like interference (which digital/DSS would help with). Feeding a little bit of your speech back to your ear is called "sidetone" and is desirable, but there seem to be a lot of cordless phones where it's not done very well. Maybe you ought to try a different brand of phone. - -Dave - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:23:34 -0400 From: Diamond Dave Subject: Split Prefix Here's a question that's been boggling me since the early 80s.... When I moved to a small telco north of Pittsburgh, PA called the North Pittsburgh Telephone company, I found a strange thing with the way they set up the prefix in the ratecenter where I lived (Gibsonia, PA) It seemed that the 443-2, 443-3, and 443-9000 blocks were served off a step by step switch, while the other thousand blocks were served off the AE 1EAX switch (AE's version of the WECO 1ESS/1AESS). I'm assuming they added the 1EAX to deal with expansion and for use as a tandem. In 1983, they replaced the SxS with a DMS-100 host. Again, it was STILL a split prefix! After they converted all the existing SxS offices in outlying areas to DMS-100s, they "folded" the existing 1EAX customers into the above mentioned DMS-100 in June 1987. So for at least 5 years (and maybe more since I moved there in 1982) it was a split prefix! My question is - has this happened elsewhere where thousands blocks of a prefix were served from a DIFFERENT switch? I know there were numerous times where different prefixes in the same central office were served off of different switches, but this is the only occurance I have run across where it was different switches on the SAME prefix! Comments/questions are welcome. Dave Perussel Webmaster - Telephone World http://phworld.tal-on.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:54:49 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format Joseph Singer wrote: "This may have some validity *but* every digest that I've ever been on for mailing lists every one that anyone posted in HTML shows every damned markup. HTML does crap in a digest including this one." Yes, which is why I don't post to digests or mailing lists in HTML.(Ideally a mailing list server program could be written to not only handle HTML properly but to strip it for those people who choose an ASCII text option.) "Other than to make pretty colors and fonts what's the big advantage of HTML?" Boldface, italics, underlining and the ability to use different sizes of type, just as is done in books. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:55:25 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Landline to Wireless Number Portability Michael D. Sullivan wrote: "Since passage of the 1996 Telecom Act, all wireless operators, including RBOCs, have been exempted from any equal access obligation." Another disaster for the public. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 17:39:56 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Followup to: By author: djb0x7736f916@scream.org In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > > > This is an urban legend at least 15 years old. US and Canadian > > pay-per-call numbers (except area code 900) can only be reached from their > > local areas (LATAs) for exactly this reason. > > This assertion would be far more valid if NANPA only covered the > U.S. and Canada, since laws and/or regulations in those countries > do have the effect explained above. > > However, NANPA also covers the Caribbean, which means there are > 16+ other nations (and their laws and regulations) at play here. > Those nations tend not to have "900" numbers available. They > do tend to have "extra-cost" NXXes (i.e. 664-410-XXXX), calls > to which are billed at a higher rate than normal, with some of > the difference going to the owner of the number. > This rather makes one wonder if the NANP really was such a good idea, or if it wouldn't have been better for the U.S., Canada, and the various Caribbean countries to have their own respective country codes after all. Not that I'm seriously suggesting nuking the NANP, but when they finally run out of area codes due to the fixed 3+7 format, perhaps that might not be such a bad idea after all. Say, +10 for the USA, +11 for Canada, and +1NX for the various Carribean countries... Or perhaps everyone will already be forced into mandatory 11D dialling by then, and we can just start replacing the then-redundant 1- with different numbers, e.g. +1-1- for U.S. +1-2- for Canada, and +1-XX- for Carribean... -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 19:27:33 -0400 From: scsmediafmp@aol.com (Steven Scharf) Subject: Re: Split Prefix If they are such a small phone company, why don't you just call them and ask about this bit of minutia (sic) which has kept you from sleeping. You may find out that the person who set the system up just wanted to do it that way. And why change some that isn't broken. Steven Scharf SCSMedia@aol.com Diamond Dave bbscorner@juno.com asked: Here's a question that's been boggling me since the early 80s.... When I moved to a small telco north of Pittsburgh, PA called the North Pittsburgh Telephone company, I found a strange thing with the way they set up the prefix in the ratecenter where I lived (Gibsonia, PA) It seemed that the 443-2, 443-3, and 443-9000 blocks were served off a step by step switch, while the other thousand blocks were served off the AE 1EAX switch (AE's version of the WECO 1ESS/1AESS). I'm assuming they added the 1EAX to deal with expansion and for use as a tandem. In 1983, they replaced the SxS with a DMS-100 host. Again, it was STILL a split prefix! After they converted all the existing SxS offices in outlying areas to DMS-100s, they "folded" the existing 1EAX customers into the above mentioned DMS-100 in June 1987. So for at least 5 years (and maybe more since I moved there in 1982) it was a split prefix! My question is - has this happened elsewhere where thousands blocks of a prefix were served from a DIFFERENT switch? I know there were numerous times where different prefixes in the same central office were served off of different switches, but this is the only occurance I have run across where it was different switches on the SAME prefix! Comments/questions are welcome. Dave Perussel Webmaster - Telephone World http://phworld.tal-on.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:15:24 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam On 19 Sep 2000 17:39:56 -0400, "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: >This rather makes one wonder if the NANP really was such a good idea, >or if it wouldn't have been better for the U.S., Canada, and the >various Caribbean countries to have their own respective country codes >after all. Not that I'm seriously suggesting nuking the NANP, but >when they finally run out of area codes due to the fixed 3+7 format, >perhaps that might not be such a bad idea after all. Say, +10 for the >USA, +11 for Canada, and +1NX for the various Carribean countries... > >Or perhaps everyone will already be forced into mandatory 11D dialling >by then, and we can just start replacing the then-redundant 1- with >different numbers, e.g. +1-1- for U.S. +1-2- for Canada, and +1-XX- >for Carribean... The 1 won't be redundent. It is the country code for the NANPA. Russia has 7, the rest of the world is two or three digits. Your scheme amounts to dividing 1 up into two and three digit country codes. That is not necessarily a bad suggestion. It would probably be reasonable to divide the US into multiples, however, since it consumes so much of the present space. This could be done by time zones, type of service, or some other criteria. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:42:31 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Followup to: By author: John McHarry In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > On 19 Sep 2000 17:39:56 -0400, "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > > > >This rather makes one wonder if the NANP really was such a good idea, > >or if it wouldn't have been better for the U.S., Canada, and the > >various Caribbean countries to have their own respective country codes > >after all. Not that I'm seriously suggesting nuking the NANP, but > >when they finally run out of area codes due to the fixed 3+7 format, > >perhaps that might not be such a bad idea after all. Say, +10 for the > >USA, +11 for Canada, and +1NX for the various Carribean countries... > > > >Or perhaps everyone will already be forced into mandatory 11D dialling > >by then, and we can just start replacing the then-redundant 1- with > >different numbers, e.g. +1-1- for U.S. +1-2- for Canada, and +1-XX- > >for Carribean... > > The 1 won't be redundent. It is the country code for the NANPA. > I meant the 1- as dialled within the NANPA (similar to the 0 you would dial in most European countries to indicate that an area code follows.) If you always have to dial the 1- for area code follows (unless you're dialling 011- for international), it's redundant. Obviously the +1 dialled internationally isn't and can never be. In other words, if you're in the U.S. and dial Canada, would you dial 2-XXX-XXX-XXXX or 011-12-XXX-XXX-XXXX? The former amounts to introduce "actual-country" or "super-area" codes within the NANPA, the latter to actually splitting it up into genuine country codes. Someone calling from, say, Norway wouldn't need to care, she would dial 00-12-XXX-XXX-XXXX either way. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 2000 22:27:16 -0400 From: Yazz York Subject: 800 carrier w/CID, internet ANI & inet block/pass? Could anyone suggest an 800 carrier that does all three of the following: o supports Caller-ID o supports internet-delivered (or other immediate) ANI o supports internet or touch-tone re-routing of destination of 800 number, o supports blocking/passing (maybe even routing) via internet (or other immediate) Cable & Wireless has been struggling for nearly a month to make their Caller-ID work consistently (which it used to do -- I can't imagine what the problem is). Altho, their caller-id passes anonymous caller's phone numbers! This is no big deal for those who have dialed an 800 number but if you forward your POTS number to one of their 800 numbers, and it is routed to another POTS number -- well, whoops there it is... (Is this legal in some states? The customer's NAME info never appears - -- just the phrase "anonymous call" along with the correct calling number...) If you're a salesperson for a company that can do this, please feel your reply to me is welcome. And if you're anyone who wants to chat about these items, let's use the Digest. Y. York. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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Good writers don't need such things in their books. It's mostly poor writers who want to add all kinds of extraneous emphasis, and in their hands, the added emphasis detracts from the readability of text rather than enhancing it. - -- Jack Hamilton Broderick, CA jfh@acm.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 01:28:14 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format Jack Hamilton wrote: "Good writers don't need such things in their books." You have got to be kidding. There are plenty of examples of first-rate writers using italics for things like the titles of magazines or radio and TV shows, and using boldface for subject headings. As best I can tell, only the long-time Usenet diehards believe that anyone who has anything worthwhile to say will only use plain ASCII text to say it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 01:29:30 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Joel B Levin wrote: "Yes, but I never said anything about them, only about articles posted in HTML." Exactly. You were condemning the people who post in HTML. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 01:43:20 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Split Prefix Steven Scharf wrote: "And why change some that isn't broken." If BellSouth felt that way, I'd still be on a 1AESS (which did an excellent job) rather than the utterly unneccessary 5ESS-2000 they installed in my area in December 1996. Getting back to Dave Perussel's question, it's mystifying to me too that any telco would install an electronic switch in an SXS office and not cut over the lines served by the SXS switch. (South Central Bell used to have an office in Louisville split between SXS and crossbar, but that was by NXXs rather than thousand-line groups within an NXX. When they installed a 1ESS next door to that office, they cut the SXS lines over to it but left the crossbar NXXs alone for a while, perhaps until they could come up with the money for another ESS. Later, BellSouth cut over only some NXXs in that office to a DMS-100 while leaving the rest on an analog switch for a while; for all I know, they may still have two switches in the building even if both are digital.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #60 ******************************* From ???@??? Thu Sep 21 08:06:04 2000 Date: 21 Sep 2000 06:15:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20000921101513.24496.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #61 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 56e023318de254275dc0311df3592c6f Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, September 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 061 In this issue: EFFector 13.08: EFF Calls for Boycott of "HackSDMI Challenge" Newhalem, Washington state Re: Newhalem, Washington state (name is nonpostal!) Re: a news report warning of pager scam RE: Telecom Digest V2000 #60 (CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Busi ness In Northern NJ) Re: Newhalem, Washington Re: Message format, the last message Re: Sorry, but... Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 Dial An Outgoing Trunk, Get 911?? Re: Sorry, but... Re: Sorry, but... 9/20/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Suspicious Minds Industry group cooks up rules for spam "Cat" scanning device may track users online ? about bigzoo An Ordeal: Copin' With COPPA COPA: Peddle Smut, Go to Jail Expert: Go Easy on Privacy Regs Regulating Privacy: At What Cost? Expedia Rewrites Privacy Rules Defame Game Serious in Canada Selling Yourself Bit by Bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Sep 2000 08:48:38 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EFFector 13.08: EFF Calls for Boycott of "HackSDMI Challenge" EFF Calls for Boycott of "HackSDMI Challenge" Introduction The Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI), an entertainment industry trade association led by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), has announced a "contest" in their "Open Letter to the Digital Community" (at http://www.sdmi.org/pr/OL_Sept_6_2000.htm ), where they challenge hackers to test the security of their music encryption program. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) urges the Internet community to boycott this contest and refrain from helping the recording industry perfect a way to undermine our fair use rights. http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Newsletters/EFFector/current.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:05:18 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: Newhalem, Washington state In 206 area before 360 existed, I notice 397 prefix with place name of NEWHALEM. With help from www.thedirectory.org database, I have hints that something changed. (Could it be along the lines of the three cases of prefix consolidation I saw several years ago in Maryland? See footnote.) The database has, for 397 prefix in old area 206: 206-397 none 360-397 VANCOUVER 425-397 EVERETT 253-397 AUBURN C.L.E.C. I found Newhalem along Washington state route 20, far inland from Sedro Woolley and further north than the Canadian town of Victoria, which is on Vancouver Island (the big island poking south of 49 degrees latitude). So I'd assume Newhalem would now be in 360 area, and it's far away from (and would now be in different area code from) Everett. Vancouver (Wash. state) is much further away (down south near Portland, Oregon). I'm about 3000 miles away and the closest resources I could get at would be: trying to order a phone book for a town near there (through what's now Verizon? but my Maryland local service is now through Conectiv power utility so I can use that local service to Delaware) and looking up Kenedy's Catholic directory to see what I can come up with for address & phone numbers of Catholic churches in that area Maryland footnote: One of those cases of absorbed prefixes was on the eastern shore. The other two were in places still in 301 after 410 split off: 395 Oldtown absorbed by 478 Flintstone, and 826 Accident absorbed by 746 Friendsville. (And PAT was amused by the place name of Accident.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:11:03 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Newhalem, Washington state (name is nonpostal!) After my message left, I realized I should also have said that Newhalem is a nonpostal name (i.e., a U.S. zipcode directory would NOT have it), so I'd have to fan out on the map and try to look up zipcodes for any other towns I can find near it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 10:45:41 -0400 From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. No other country code begins with 40. The purpose of the unique prefix allows switching equipment to always know where calls should be routed. Matthew Black +------------------------------(c) 2000 Matthew Black, all rights reserved-- matthew black | Opinions expressed herein belong to me and network & systems specialist | may not reflect those of my employer california state university | network services BH-180E | e-mail: black at csulb dot edu 1250 bellflower boulevard | PGP fingerprint: 6D 14 36 ED 5F 34 C4 B3 long beach, ca 90840 | E9 1E F3 CB E7 65 EE BC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 13:17:58 -0400 From: "Eaton, David" Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2000 #60 (CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Busi ness In Northern NJ) > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:33:49 -0500 > From: Daniel Seagraves > Subject: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ > > On 17 Sep 2000, Alan Boritz wrote: > > > Apparently, all customers served by switch PSWYNJ69DS0 > (Kearny, Union City, > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Question, what is that number, and how did you get it? This is what is known in the business as a CLLI (pronounced 'silly') code. Every switch in the US has one assigned to it regardless of who owns the switch. It follows (generally) the format of city-st-co-swx where 'city' = four character abbreviation for the City where the switch is located, 'st' = two character abbreviation for the State the switch is located in, 'co' = two character designation for the building (generally the Central Office) in the City and 'swx' = three character designation for switch in that CO. (NB: Generally a 'swx' = ds0, would be switch #1, ds1 would be switch #2, etc.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:48:51 -0400 From: El Jefe Subject: Re: Newhalem, Washington Newhalem is a rather odd town way up in the mountains on the North Cascades Highway (hwy 20). It is only there as a place of residence for the workers at three hydroelectric dams on the Skagit River. The dams, and the town are owned by Seattle City Light. The town is only housing, no schools, businesses, or even a post office. It also does not have conventional telephone service. Phones there are a part of the Seattle City Light PBX, via some sort of microwave link, and have numbers in 206-386 (a downtown Seattle prefix). There is even a public telephone there in a phone booth, which makes you dial a 9 first, and lets you call any number local to Seattle. The number on that phone was 206-386-4493, and calling that number does actually ring the phone booth in Newhalem. The nearest real phone service is provided by Verizon (GTE) in Skagit county, but the phone book there makes very little mention of Newhalem. - -Jeff - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 15:53:30 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Message format, the last message >What he said. And I'm done with this topic, which is no longer germane to >this newsgroup / list. It wasn't germane in the first place. Telecom accepts only plain text messages, always has, and as far as I'm concerned, always will. Every mail program ever written can send plain text, so I'm not interested in claims about how "hard" it is to send. Regards, John Levine, postmaster@iecc.com, postmaster@gurus.com, postmaster@services.net and Telecom robot wrangler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 17:43:46 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Sorry, but... In comp.dcom.telecom I saw that on 17 Sep 2000 22:24:11 -0400 Alan Boritz wrote: >Sure it is. Newsreaders and email clients that can't wrap lines are brain >dead. Ever tried a VT52 ? Just because you consider other facilities "brain dead" does not mean that what you use is universal. If posts are made using formatting which works on all other newsreaders, all the better, else you'll be telling us we should all be posting in HTML (wash my keyboard with soap and water for daring to write that :-) >Get a better newsreader, perhaps on a more flexible platform, and you wouldn't >have that problem. Might one ask why your newsreader and/or "platform" posted twice ? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 18:13:25 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #55 In comp.dcom.telecom I saw that on 17 Sep 2000 19:38:35 -0400 "Ed Ellers" wrote: > If, in fact, HTML is so inappropriate, why do both Microsoft > and Netscape include that option in their mail and news programs? If you were to put a mini-bar in a car, does it make it OK to drink and drive ? "Because they could" may be the answer... others saw sense !! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 19:58:10 -0400 From: "Andy Berry" Subject: Dial An Outgoing Trunk, Get 911?? Just for grins, I decided to see if AT&T Wireless was passing the correct ANI through today, so I got my trusty list of ANI numbers, picked one (AT&T? That monotone female that adds all the zeroes at the end) and dialed. Well, no surprise, I got a number that wasn't my cell #. So, as usual, I called that number to see who would intercept and what they said. Static, drops in and out (perfectly good signal on phone): Her:"9 you gency?" Me: "This is 911?" Her: "Yes, 911, can I help you" Me: No, I'm sorry wrong number".......... So, what's the deal? The number I dialed is a SWB number, so they must be passing the false ANI along. Any ideas? Andy B. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 20:42:01 -0400 From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Sorry, but... On 20 Sep 2000, Peter Morgan wrote: > In comp.dcom.telecom I saw that on 17 Sep 2000 22:24:11 -0400 > Alan Boritz wrote: > >Sure it is. Newsreaders and email clients that can't wrap lines are brain > >dead. > Ever tried a VT52 ? Just because you consider other facilities "brain > dead" does not mean that what you use is universal. Don't feed the trolls. A long-standing category of "troll" is that of people who post messages in non-standard formats and insists that everybody "upgrade" to their notion of what constitutes "modern" mail/news software. Failure to line wrap, or use of margins of greater than 80 characters, is a long-standing Obnoxious Kid Practice of over 20 years' history. So is the use of some multimedia format: today it was HTML, 10 years ago it was NeXTmail, 20 years ago it was MMM... It comes and goes in waves. Sooner or later, such individuals grow up and/or get a real job and have their boss whack 'em on the head with a clue-by-four. That's if they're lucky; if they're unlucky, they pull this stunt on a customer and need to find a new job. My email software is perfectly capable of reading HTML mail. However, I find that blocking incoming HTML mail, not to mention incoming mail from any domain with "cyber" in it, is a great way to reduce spam. - -- Mark -- * RCW 19.190 notice: This email address is located in Washington State. * * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message. * Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 21:39:56 -0400 From: Roy Smith Subject: Re: Sorry, but... Mark Crispin wrote: > today it was HTML, 10 years ago it was NeXTmail, 20 years ago it > was MMM... \AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS MIXED CASE. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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By Diane Anderson Kerri thought she had good reason to spy on her daughter. Classmates were sending the teenager harassing e-mail, so Kerri bought a computer program to secretly record her daughter's online life. This way, Kerri reasoned, she'd get an accurate picture of her daughter's plight. Money was tight, and she thought her husband would protest the $50 she spent on the program, so she kept her purchase a secret. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18519,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:11:05 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Industry group cooks up rules for spam Industry group cooks up rules for spam By Patricia Jacobus Staff Writer, CNET News.com September 15, 2000, 5:45 a.m. PT Complaints about unsolicited commercial email have prompted an industry coalition to come up with standards designed to quell consumer concerns and keep regulators at bay. Sixteen companies, including online advertisers DoubleClick and 24/7 Media, banded together over the summer to hash out a set of professional standards that they expect to make public at a marketing conference in Boston later this month. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2782434.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:18:45 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: "Cat" scanning device may track users online "Cat" scanning device may track users online By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com September 20, 2000, 6:00 p.m. PT A new cat-shaped scanner being given away to millions of consumers this fall may be letting more out of the bag than the people using it know about. Privacy advocates are investigating the device, known as the CueCat, and its ability to snoop on consumers while swiping bar codes printed in catalogs and magazines or on products. Researchers say the scanner, produced by DigitalConvergence, makes use of an identifying serial number that could trace the actions of an individual user and create a detailed database on a specific device's usage. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2826868.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:24:22 -0400 From: GyrlWonder@aol.com Subject: ? about bigzoo would you happen to have bigzoo's customer service number? I have a problem with big zoo and they can't seem to address my problem thru email. but i can't find their phone number. i am extremely frustrated. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:38:05 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: An Ordeal: Copin' With COPPA An Ordeal: Copin' With COPPA by Lynn Burke 3:00 a.m. Sep. 20, 2000 PDT Phoenix artist David Therrien is like many parents whose kids are online: He wants his children to surf the Net safely without compromising their privacy. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,38832,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:39:25 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: COPA: Peddle Smut, Go to Jail COPA: Peddle Smut, Go to Jail by Declan McCullagh 3:00 a.m. Sep. 20, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- Porn peddlers should be prosecuted, say members of a federal smut commission. Conservative members of the Commission on Child Online Protection suggested during a meeting Tuesday that the government should shield Junior from dirty pictures by imprisoning owners of "obscene" websites. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38901,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:40:45 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Expert: Go Easy on Privacy Regs Expert: Go Easy on Privacy Regs by Declan McCullagh 9:00 a.m. Sep. 19, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON - Say what you will about Richard Epstein, but don't call him a privacy zealot. The erudite University of Chicago law professor said Tuesday that instead of staking out extreme positions on both sides of the topic, advocates instead should consider the likely outcome of government regulations. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38893,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:43:14 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Regulating Privacy: At What Cost? Regulating Privacy: At What Cost? by Declan McCullagh 3:00 a.m. Sep. 19, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- Privacy advocates who successfully transformed such previously arcane matters as credit bureau databases and DoubleClick cookies into mainstream concerns are close to winning a truly epic battle. After years of agitating by liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, both Democrats and Republicans are suddenly expressing their support for sweeping new regulations of U.S. businesses. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38878,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:45:01 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Expedia Rewrites Privacy Rules Expedia Rewrites Privacy Rules by Chris Oakes 3:00 a.m. Sep. 19, 2000 PDT When Amazon announced changes to its privacy policy last week, privacy activists slammed the company for treating consumer data as a company asset that could be turned over to third parties. Monday, major Web travel site Expedia, a site in the Microsoft-owned MSN umbrella of Internet services, announced its own policy revision - -- to a somewhat warmer reception. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,38852,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:45:56 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Defame Game Serious in Canada Defame Game Serious in Canada by Charles Mandel 3:00 a.m. Sep. 14, 2000 PDT EDMONTON, Alberta: Canadian e-mailers can no longer hide behind a cloak of anonymity if reasonable grounds exist to show they've distributed defamatory statements over the Internet. The change in Canadian law came after a landmark court ruling this week when an Ontario Superior Court Justice ordered Internet service provider iPRIMUS Inc. of Toronto to reveal the identity of an anonymous e-mailer. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,38734,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:47:26 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Selling Yourself Bit by Bit Selling Yourself Bit By Bit by Farhad Manjoo 3:00 a.m. Sep. 12, 2000 PDT Right at this moment, some marketing fat cat is selling your demographic data -- maybe your shoe size, your favorite color, or how you like your eggs cooked -- and you're not seeing a penny of the profits. But according to Jeff Oriecuia, a spokesman for a new company called Zimtu, you may soon be able to get some of that green. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,38676,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #61 ******************************* From ???@??? Fri Sep 22 08:49:33 2000 Date: 22 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000922101512.23361.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #62 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: fd38f0b727fda371f5647728dc30e807 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, September 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 062 In this issue: NEAX Manual Re: "Cat" scanning device may track users online Re: "Cat" scanning device may track users online Re: What's more rare than a public phone? Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ 9/21/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Broadband Briefings: Act Now to Keep Internet Access Affordable! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Sep 2000 09:46:01 -0400 From: vshvetsk@yahoo.com Subject: NEAX Manual Can someone please tell me where I can find an online manual for NEAX 7600? I do not work directly with it, but I need to understand its basic capabilities and terminology. Please email me back at victor@starsystems.co.jp Thank you, Vic Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2000 11:05:32 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: "Cat" scanning device may track users online Monty Solomon wrote: : "Cat" scanning device may track users online I'm sorry, but that is just too stupid. It's free... I remember a phrase about that. You have to register an email address in order to make use of it. Doesn't that make a sensible person wonder about the tracking aspect? You install software on your machine that will conveniently display a list of all of the sites you've visited via the scanner. How many clues do they need to give that they might pay attention to what you scan? Tracking? Certainly. What do "privacy" experts expect? Stay the hell away from my scanner. I like it. On the other hand, they should be more cautious with their security systems, especially since the internet equivalent of tree huggers will undoubtedly be pounding their site. They've already had a malicious security breach, revealing lists of email addresses. Now I have a $10 R.S. certificate as an apology. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2000 12:00:48 -0400 From: Mike Stockman Subject: Re: "Cat" scanning device may track users online In article <8qd83k$qio$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@rahul.net wrote: > Tracking? Certainly. What do "privacy" experts expect? > Stay the hell away from my scanner. > I like it. > > On the other hand, they should be more cautious with their security > systems, especially since the internet equivalent of tree huggers will > undoubtedly be pounding their site. Nobody's trying to take the CueCat away from you, just educate people about what this "free" device is really doing. Digital Convergence gives away a device that collects individual data and, and now they've proven that they can't protect that data. Instead of letting them slip their device under everyone's radar, be happy that it's being investigated, and that people's findings are being made public. Information about the CueCat won't hurt you, or your precious scanner. On the other hand, the information may help others avoid problems that a $10 Radio Shack gift certificate won't cure. - ----->Mike P.S. What's wrong with hugging trees, anyway? Aside from bark rash, that is. - -- _______________________________________________________________________ AOL: MStockman mailto:stockman@jagunet.com AOL Instant Messenger: MStockman - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2000 22:04:54 -0400 From: Robert Eden Subject: Re: What's more rare than a public phone? "Joseph Singer" wrote in message news:3.0.5.32.20000913045603.0081e210@oz.net... > Service for public phones has been going down for years probably due to the > fact that so many people now have cell phone service. That's why you pay > at least $.35 for a local call. I got a cell phone after giving up on COCOTs that wouldn't dial the numbers I wanted (new exchanges, new local area codes) and cut the tonepad in the middle of checking my voicemail. I think COCOT quality declined before the cell-phone use skyrocketed... maybe even helped it. Robert - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2000 22:22:47 -0400 From: jdearing@netaxs.com (John Dearing) Subject: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Daniel Seagraves (root@bony.umtec.com) wrote: : On 17 Sep 2000, Alan Boritz wrote: : : > Apparently, all customers served by switch PSWYNJ69DS0 (Kearny, Union City, : ^^^^^^^^^^^ : Question, what is that number, and how did you get it? That's what's known as a Common Language Location Identifier (CLLI) Code. It goes all the way back the the good old days of the Bell System. Every telephone location gets one. It breaks down into 4 parts. They are: 1. Locality (4 characters) in this case PSWY 2. State (2 characters) In this case NJ (New Jersey) 3. Office (2 characters) "69" 4. Equipment designation (DS0) My guess is that this is the Piscataway NJ Digital Switch. DS = Digital Switch DS0 = 1st digital switch DS1 = 2nd digital switch in the same building etc... I live in Langhore PA, just north of Philadelphia. My Central Office CLLI code is LANGPALADS0. Before they replaced the 1A ESS with a 5ESS it was LANGPALACG0. CG = Control Group. The Crossbar offices had Marker Groups and were MG0 or MG1 (sometimes called Magoos and Magee's by the switchmen). Just some more useless trivia for Usenet....... John - -- John Dearing : Phila Area Computer Society http://www.pacsnet.org Email : jdearing "at" netaxs "dot" com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:44:48 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 9/21/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - START-UPS FACE FIERCE COMPETITION IN THE NEW VOICE PORTAL MARKET - - ICANN IS STAFFING UP ... - - ELECTION.COM CHOSEN TO CONDUCT ICANN'S ELECTION - - THE COST OF FREE INTERNET CALLS - - BRIDGESTONE-FIRESTONE.NET: COMPLAINANT'S CLAIM DENIED - - IP TELEPHONY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAME RULES AS PHONE CARRIERS ************************************************************************* !!! 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4533 P - BRIDGESTONE-FIRESTONE.NET: COMPLAINANT'S CLAIM DENIED The Panel finds that the Respondent's use of the domain name to designate a website for criticism and commentary about the Complainants constitutes legitimate noncommercial use and fair use within the meaning of the UDRP. "The Panel sees no reason to require domain name registrants to utilize circumlocutions like trademarksucks.com to designate a website for criticism or consumer commentary." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4529 F - IP TELEPHONY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAME RULES AS PHONE CARRIERS FCC Chairman Kennard said IP telephony, as a fledgling industry, should not be subjected to the same regulations, licensing and taxes as traditional telephone carriers: "Treating incumbents and newcomers in a market the same would only result in creating barriers to new entrants and killing innovation." 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Broadband Briefings ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Published by NetAction Issue No. 15 September 21, 2000 Repost where appropriate. Copyright and subscription info at end of message. In This Issue: ACTION ALERT: Act Now to Keep Internet Access Affordable! About Broadband Briefings ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACTION ALERT: September 21, 2000 ACT NOW TO KEEP INTERNET ACCESS AFFORDABLE! Urge the House Commerce Committee to Vote "No" on HR 4445 Legislation that could significantly increase the cost of Internet access was quietly approved on September 18, 2000 by the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications, Trade and Consumer Protection. H.R. 4445, a little-known bill sponsored by Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.) would end a telephone industry cost reimbursement arrangement that has helped keep Internet access charges affordable for consumers. With less then three weeks before the end of the current legislative session, Internet service providers and other opponents of the bill are concerned that the bill might slip through Congress as an attachment to a year-end appropriations bill. Lobbyists for the Regional Bell Operating Companies (RBOCs) are working hard to get the bill approved before the session ends. HR 4445, the Reciprocal Compensation Adjustment Act of 2000, is bad news for consumers. The full House Commerce Committee could consider HR 4445 as early as next Tuesday, September 26, 2000. Internet users should contact House Commerce Committee members immediately and urge them to oppose HR 4445. (DO NOT CIRCULATE THIS ACTION ALERT AFTER SEPTEMBER 26, 2000.) BACKGROUND ON HR 4445: HR 4445 would end a cost reimbursement system that local telephone companies use when different companies handle a single phone call. The system is known as reciprocal compensation. In its simplest terms, reciprocal compensation is an arrangement by which the caller's telephone company reimburses the call recipient's telephone company for costs associated with completing calls. For example, an Internet user gets local phone service from Pacific Bell, and uses an Internet Service Provider (ISP) that gets service from Pac West, a competitor to Pacific Bell. When the Internet user dials in to her ISP, Pacific Bell must pay Pac West for the cost of completing the call. Congress required competing local phone companies to negotiate these arrangements as part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. When the terms were negotiated, the Bell companies demanded high fees because they assumed that they would be paid to complete calls that were started by competitive companies. But their assumptions were wrong. Most consumers get phone service from the Bells, while many ISPs have switched to competitive companies. So the Bells have had to pay billions of dollars to the competitive companies that complete the millions of calls that consumers make to ISPs when they go online. But rather than pay up, the Bells are lobbying Congress to change the rules -- rules they willingly agreed to when they assumed they were going to benefit from them. If Congress approves HR 4445 and ends the reciprocal compensation system, competitive phone companies will lose a significant source of cash flow and will be forced to charge ISPs more for phone service. If the ISPs pass those increases on to their customers, as expected, it poses a threat to affordable dial-up Internet service -- especially in rural and low-income areas. Millions of Americans are using the Internet today because the cost of dial-up service is affordable. Price competition is so intense, in fact, that some ISPs offer service for free. This is an important factor in bringing technology to low income and rural communities, and bridging the digital divide. WHAT YOU CAN DO: HR 4445 may be considered by the full House Commerce Committee as soon as next Tuesday, September 26, 2000. A list of Commerce Committee members is included below. Please call fax a letter TODAY to one or more of the committee members, and urge a "no" vote on HR 4445. WHAT TO TELL THE HOUSE COMMERCE COMMITTEE: Be brief. Here are some suggested talking points: * HR 4445 is a threat to affordable Internet service. It will lead to higher costs for ISPs, and higher Internet access charges for consumers. * HR 4445 is a threat to the availability of Internet service in rural and low-income areas. We need affordable Internet service in low income and rural communities to help bridge the digital divide. * The Bells should not be allowed to change the rules just because the market didn't develop the way they expected. In a competitive market, there are no guarantees. WHO TO CONTACT: REPUBLICANS: Committee Chair: Tom Bliley, VA Phone: 202-225-2815 Fax: 202-225-0011 Michael Oxley, OH Phone: 202-225-2676 Fax: N/A Michael Bilirakis, FL Phone: 202-225-5755 Fax: 202-225-4085 Joe Barton, TX Phone: 202-225-2002 Fax: 202-225-3052 Fred Upton, MI Phone: 202-225-3761 Fax: 202-225-4986 Cliff Stearns, FL Phone: 202-225-5744 Fax: 202-225-3973 Paul Gillmor, OH Phone: 202-225-6405 Fax: 202-225-1985 James Greenwood, PA Phone: 202-225-4276 Fax: 202-225-9511 Christopher Cox, CA Phone: 202-225-5611 Fax: 202-225-9177 Nathan Deal, GA Phone: 202-225-5211 Fax: 202-225-8272 Steve Largent, OK Phone: 202-225-2211 Fax: 202-225-9187 Richard Burr, NC Phone: 202-225-2071 Fax: 202-225-2995 Brian Bilbray, CA Phone: 202-225-2040 Fax: 202-225-2948 Ed Whitfield, KY Phone: 202-225-3115 Fax: 202-225-3547 Greg Ganske, IA Phone: 202-225-4426 Fax: 202-225-3193 Charles Norwood, GA Phone: 202-225-4101 Fax: 202-225-0279 Tom Coburn, OK Phone: 202-225-2701 Fax: 202-225-3038 Rick Lazio, NY Phone: 202-225-3335 Fax: 202-225-4669 Barbara Cubin, WY Phone: 202-225-2311 Fax: 202-225-3057 James Rogan, CA Phone: 202-225-4176 Fax: 202-225-5828 John Shimkus, IL Phone: 202-225-5271 Fax: 202-225-5880 Heather Wilson, NM Phone: 202-225-6316 Fax: 202-225-4975 John Shadegg, AZ Phone: 202-225-3361 Fax: 202-225-3462 Chip Pickering, MS Phone: 202-225-5031 Fax: 202-225-5797 Vito Fossella, NY Phone: 202-225-3371 Fax: 202-226-1272 Roy Blunt, MO Phone: 202-225-6536 Fax: 202-225-5604 Ed Bryant, TN Phone: 202-225-2811 Fax: 202-225-2989 Robert Ehrlich, MI Phone: 202-225-3061 Fax: 202-225-3094 DEMOCRATS: Ranking Democrat: John Dingell, MI Phone: 202-225-4071 Fax: 202-226-0371 Henry Waxman, CA Phone: 202-225-3976 Fax: 202-225-4099 Edward Markey, MA Phone: 202-225-2836 Fax: N/A Ralph Hall, TX Phone: 202-225-6673 Fax: 202-225-3332 Rick Boucher, VA Phone: 202-225-3861 Fax: 202-225-0442 Edolphus Towns, NY Phone: 202-225-5936 Fax: 202-225-1018 Frank Pallone, NJ Phone: 202-225-4671 Fax: 202-225-9665 Sherrod Brown, OH Phone: 202-225-3401 Fax: 202-225-2266 Bart Gordon, TN Phone: 202-225-4231 Fax: 202-225-6887 Peter Deutsch, FL Phone: 202-225-7931 Fax: 202-225-8456 Bobby Rush, IL Phone: 202-225-4372 Fax: 202-225-0333 Anna Eshoo, CA Phone: 202-225-8104 Fax: 202-225-8890 Ron Klink, PA Phone: 202-225-2565 Fax: 202-226-2274 Bart Stupak, MI Phone: 202-225-4735 Fax: 202-225-4744 Eliot Engel, NY Phone: 202-225-2464 Fax: 202-225-5513 Tom Sawyer, OH Phone: 202-225-5231 Fax: 202-225-5278 Albert Wynn, MD Phone: 202-225-8699 Fax: 202-225-8714 Gene Green, TX Phone: 202-225-1688 Fax: 202-225-9903 Karen McCarthy, MO Phone: 202-225-4535 Fax: 202-225-4403 Ted Strickland, OH Phone: 202-225-5705 Fax: 202-225-5907 Diana DeGette, CO Phone: 202-225-4431 Fax: 202-225-5657 Tom Barrett, WI Phone: 202-225-3571 Fax: 202-225-2185 Bill Luther, MN Phone: 202-225-2271 Fax: 202-225-3368 Lois Capps, CA Phone: 202-225-3601 Fax: 202-225-5632 For more background see "Lobbying could hike Net costs" at: http://www.contracostatimes.com/partners/nf/netfees_20000920.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ About Broadband Briefings Broadband Briefings is a free electronic newsletter, published by NetAction to promote policies that encourage rapid and widespread deployment of high-speed Internet access. NetAction is a national, non-profit organization dedicated to educating the public, policy makers, and the media about technology-based social and political issues,and to teaching activists how to use the Internet for organizing, outreach, and advocacy. To subscribe to Broadband Briefings, send email to: The body of the message should state: To unsubscribe at any time, send email to: The body of the message should state: NetAction is seeking sponsors to provide financial support for its work. Sponsors will be acknowledged on NetAction's Web site. NetAction is supported by individual contributions, membership dues and grants. For more information about sponsoring NetAction's efforts, contact Audrie Krause by phone at (415) 775-8674, by E-mail at , visit the NetAction Web site at , or write to: NetAction * 601 Van Ness Ave., No. 631 * San Francisco, CA 94102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Copyright 1999 by NetAction/The Tides Center. 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Sat Sep 23 07:46:51 2000 Date: 23 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000923101512.7026.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #63 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 7209530de19cfd0866687520307eb073 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, September 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 063 In this issue: Good Book on Telecommunication 9/22/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: Dial An Outgoing Trunk, Get 911?? RFI: Tear Down Tone Will privacy kill the CueCat? Please add our site Discover a new Mega Forum just for your particular interest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Sep 2000 07:20:08 -0400 From: albertoneves@netc.pt (Alberto Neves) Subject: Good Book on Telecommunication As a teacher, I have to prepare 160 hoursof a course including Theorectics and some Practical Training on Telecommunication. My problem is that the target group is composed of young students of an INTERMEDIATE level... so .. no Fourier Transforms...or higher maths...just the basic concepts. Datacommunication is also a separate course so no need to teach computer networks here. I just have to teach the following subjects : Introduction to Digital Communication PCM Telephone Switching Telecommunication Networks Multiplexing SDH Any advise on a good book about these matters ( intermediate level ) would be very welcome. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:28:10 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 9/22/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - 1 800 FLOWERS RE-UPS WITH AOL - - EASYGROUP FINDS IT ISN'T SO EASY - - LAWSUIT CALLS NETWORK SOLUTIONS A MONOPOLY - - PRICE REVIEW OF SMALL & MID CAP DOMAINS - - KOREA.COM DOMAIN WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN WON - - AS (ICANN-PRES) ROBERTS' WORLD TURNS ************************************************************************* !!! 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Find all ICB headlines, current and archived, at http://www.icbtollfree.com/icbheadlns.cfm. ************************************************************************ ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: F = Free - News and Features articles P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for September 22, 2000 P - 1 800 FLOWERS RE-UPS WITH AOL Seventy percent of 1-800-FLOWERS' sales come directly from customers typing in the company's Web address directly rather than from a portal site such as AOL, said Eric Beder, a research analyst with Ladenburg Thalmann. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4537 F - EASYGROUP FINDS IT ISN'T SO EASY ... loses WIPO UDRP, and pouts that WIPO has "no legal power." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4536 P - LAWSUIT CALLS NETWORK SOLUTIONS A MONOPOLY The National Science Foundation is suing NSI under the Sherman Act, claiming the registrar "forced" it to register its domain name in all three top-level domains. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4535 ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://1800TheExpert.com <<<<<<<<<<<<< 800 & Domain Name Acquisition Management, Lost/Stolen 800 # Retrieval, Litigation Support, Regulatory Navigation, Correlating Domain Name & Trademark Matters. ************************************************************************* Are you a local or regional business that advertises in newspapers, direct mail, on radio or tv? 1 800 BRAND IT shared use marketing programs can help your sales skyrocket! http://www.1800BrandIt.com ************************************************************************* FT Telecom Conferences In its 20th year, this event will bring leading personalities in the telecomms industry to discuss opportunities and challenges which technological advancement, increased competition and restructuring will pose to the future of global telecommunications. Register online to receive your 10% discount. http://www.ftconferences.com/dynamic/conferences/ftwt00.htm?bn=icb ************************************************************************* EVERY 3.6 SECONDS SOMEONE DIES FROM HUNGER http://www.hungersite.com/ ************************************************************************* Visit Global Telecom Domains(SM), 'The Best Names in Telecom' www.GlobalTelecomDomains.com ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* more HEADLINES for September 22, 2000 P - PRICE REVIEW OF SMALL & MID CAP DOMAINS The list demonstrates growing interest in two and three letter domain names; finance is the only other consistent theme. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4539 P - KOREA.COM DOMAIN WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN WON Seven months in the making, Thrunet yesterday announced that it would launch Korea.com as a mega-portal featuring integrated communication, community, channel and commerce services. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4538 F - AS (ICANN-PRES) ROBERTS' WORLD TURNS "Everything will be on the table, including whether there should even be an at-large [membership]," Roberts said. "There's a lot of loose talk about how it's the governance body for the Internet [as a whole]," he said. "But if you read any of the charter documents, you don't find any of that in there." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4534 ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* TelecomCareers.net - Cutting Edge Telecom Careers, #1 Telecom Job Site! http://TelecomCareers.net ************************************************************************* P.A.T. - a real Live person inside your voice mail? Yes. P.A.T.LiVE, a division of ATG Technologies, Inc., rents live secretarial services through a toll free number. P.A.T. (Personal Assistance Team) can enhance your productivity and image with rates as low as 3 cents per minute. http://www.patlive.com or 800.775.7790 ************************************************************************* Free Timely Time Management Tips to increase your personal productivity and give you more time and balance for your personal life. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 00:13:17 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam 20 Sep 2000 10:45:41 -0400 black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) wrote: >An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. >No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country >code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), >no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. >No other country code begins with 40. The purpose of the unique >prefix allows switching equipment to always know where calls should >be routed. This is true. However, one should also realize that just because something is in world zone 1 it could be anywhere from the artic circle down to most of the Carribean islands. If something is going to zone 1 it will always have 10 digits after it. That's about the only common thing about it. In other words you cannot route to country code 1 and consider it all one common zone as there are at least several different rates associated with calling the different countries in zone 1 with Canada, the USA and the Caribbean islands. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 00:18:24 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Dial An Outgoing Trunk, Get 911?? 20 Sep 2000 19:58:10 -0400 "Andy Berry" wrote: >Just for grins, I decided to see if AT&T Wireless was passing the correct >ANI through today, so I got my trusty list of ANI numbers, picked one (AT&T? >That monotone female that adds all the zeroes at the end) and dialed. Well, >no surprise, I got a number that wasn't my cell #. So, as usual, I called >that number to see who would intercept and what they said. Static, drops in >and out (perfectly good signal on phone): > >Her:"9 you gency?" >Me: "This is 911?" >Her: "Yes, 911, can I help you" >Me: No, I'm sorry wrong number".......... > >So, what's the deal? The number I dialed is a SWB number, so they must be >passing the false ANI along. Any ideas? Can't say why you get 911, but when I dial an ANAC number from my VoiceStream mobile the ANAC says "425-424-0078" which is not the number of my mobile in the 206 area. My thoughts are that the number that ANI gets is the number that the landline dials when you dial into Voicestream's system. Matter of fact I ran into this same issue when trying to make my mobile be able to be recognized by my 800 access for long distance. They said that it couldn't be done from my mobile as the mobile actually dials out on the LD network with another number the one that I just mentioned in Bothell, Washington. Caller ID is another matter. When I call another number from my handset the receiving party with CID display will get my 206-354-XXXX number which is correct. Don't know how VoiceStream determines the actual number to bill, but they must have some way to do it. (BTW, VoiceStream's main tech hqtrs is on the "east side" in the Bellevue area. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 00:22:31 -0400 From: "Victor Yue" Subject: RFI: Tear Down Tone hi! Could anyone tell me what is "Tear Down Tone" and how this is used? Appreciate any advice on where I could get more information on this. Thanks Victor Yue Singapore email: yuess@singnet.com.sg - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 03:30:16 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Will privacy kill the CueCat? Will privacy kill the CueCat? Robert Lemos Fri Sep 22 05:13:48 2000 EDT The Privacy Foundation plans to deliver the latest blow to Internet data collector Digital:Convergence Corp. on Friday when the organization releases a report criticizing the company's collection of potentially identifying information over the Internet. The company -- whose free CueCat bar-code scanners were shipped to half a million consumers last week -- hopes to snag customer data by linking product bar codes to Internet pages. http://www.lycos.com/cgi-bin/pursuit?query=252898&fs=docid&cat=zdnet&mtemp=zdnet - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 04:58:56 -0400 From: Guy Robert Subject: Please add our site RoberTel.com has become a portal for professionals in the wireless business worldwide. Here, our visitors will find up to date news and other services totally free of charge. In the interest of our visitors, we are now including a company directory, with links to companies that are workin within or towards the wireless business. We would appreciate it if you could include our banner on any URL (web page) within your web site. The string you should write is as follows: RoberTel News!

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Sun Sep 24 08:33:47 2000 Date: 24 Sep 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20000924101510.13356.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #64 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: ae8e97fa3d6eaf9b08d94483a1384808 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, September 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 064 In this issue: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ CTI Software Developer Needed cmsg cancel <18020011.0850@free.fr> Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: a news report warning of pager scam Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) Re: a news report warning of pager scam Internet call-waiting Re: Internet call-waiting ? about bigzoo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 2000 11:06:33 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: CLEC Puts ISP Customers Out Of Business In Northern NJ Roy Smith wrote: >"Alan Boritz" wrote: >> These particular exchanges go through Rochelle Park, where a flood took >> out all interoffice trunking and 911 for several days. > >It's been almost 20 years since I lived in the area, but my recollection >is that floods taking out Rochelle Park are a moderately frequent >occurance, due to the fact that it's built in the flood plain. >Definately NOT the site I would have picked for a major piece of >infrastructure. Well, New Jersey Bell didn't think so, and neither did the engineer at ATTWS who put the switch on the first floor of a building that flood waters had reached at least once before the last incident. Bell Atlantic eventually blamed AT&T for leaving a bathroom door open. NY Telephone (now Bell Atlantic) had an equally stupid excuse for the reason why the Bridge St. CO in Brooklyn burned up. They sure aren't getting better in the excuse department, just who they can blame. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 11:50:48 -0400 From: "Keith Harper" Subject: CTI Software Developer Needed Computer Telephony Software Engineer For full details of this new position, visit - http://www.telephonyindex.co.uk/joboffer.htm Quick Summary: * Experience as a developer using Dialogic or Natural Micro Systems hardware * Programming experience with C/C++ * Familiarity with PC based telephony hardware * High base plus moving allowance, bonus, stock options, paid vacation * Excellent benefits, fun working environment and unparalled incentives The company offering this position is based in Florida, USA. Regards, ctijobs@telephonyindex.co.uk - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:06:51 EDT From: awild@free.fr Subject: cmsg cancel <18020011.0850@free.fr> Spam that leaked through robot moderator ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:10:40 -0400 From: "Bob Goudreau" Subject: Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) wrote: > > An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. > No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country > code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), > no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. > No other country code begins with 40. While your general point is true, I do feel obligated to point out that the UK has +44, not +40 (which belongs to Romania). Bob Goudreau Cary, NC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:14:04 -0400 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Matthew Black: >> An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. >> No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country >> code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), >> no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. >> No other country code begins with 40... Joseph Singer writes: > This is true. Except for the part about 40 being the code for the UK; it's Romania. The UK is 44. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto "But I want credit for all the words msb@vex.net I spelled *right*!" -- BEETLE BAILEY - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:14:51 -0400 From: craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) Subject: Re: Message format (was: Radio Shack gives away barcode scanner...) "Ed Ellers" writes: >Exactly. You were condemning the people who post in HTML. Sounds fair. People who post in HTML are either too stupid to realise what they are doing, or they are so inconsiderate that they expect everyone else to put up with garbled posts 10 times the size they should be. Either way, such people are deserving of condemnation. - -- Craig Macbride - -----------------------http://www.nyx.net/~cmacbrid------------------------ "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 12:25:45 -0400 From: "Bob Goudreau" Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam > > This is an urban legend at least 15 years old. US and Canadian > > pay-per-call numbers (except area code 900) can only be reached from their > > local areas (LATAs) for exactly this reason. > > This assertion would be far more valid if NANPA only covered the > U.S. and Canada, since laws and/or regulations in those countries > do have the effect explained above. > > However, NANPA also covers the Caribbean, which means there are > 16+ other nations (and their laws and regulations) at play here. > Those nations tend not to have "900" numbers available. They > do tend to have "extra-cost" NXXes (i.e. 664-410-XXXX), calls > to which are billed at a higher rate than normal, with some of > the difference going to the owner of the number. What do you mean by "at a higher rate than normal"? If you mean "higher than the cost of a domestic long-distance call", then I agree -- such calls are not domestic, but international, and thus international toll rates apply. But if you mean "higher than the cost of a 'normal' international toll call to the country in question", then I'm skeptical. I believe that Linc Madison (www.lincmad.com) has sought for years without success to find an example of a NANP Caribbean prefix that costs more to dial (from the rest of the NANP) than do other prefixes on the same island. Can you quote specific surcharges to 664-410 that your LD carrier imposes on you that it doesn't also impose on all other calls you make to Montserrat? Bob Goudreau Cary, NC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 13:45:37 -0400 From: Steven P Bills Subject: Internet call-waiting I have a question about Internet call-waiting, and long-distance calls. If I set up call forward-busy on my line to one of the 800 numbers for an Internet call-waiting service (for those who don't know, they serve as a type of voice-mail system when you log on the Internet. Some will play the message from your caller over your PC's speakers,) how is a long-distance caller routed? Does my local provider reroute to the 800 number? Or, if they use SS7-type signaling for their trunks, does the network reroute from the caller's provider to the 800 number? Will the caller still be charged for a long-distance call, even though they are reaching a toll-free service? Thanks for any insight you can provide. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 2000 15:11:49 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Internet call-waiting In comp.dcom.telecom I saw that on 23 Sep 2000 13:45:37 -0400 Steven P Bills wrote: >Will the caller still be charged for a long-distance call, >even though they are reaching a toll-free service? Well, they dialled _your_ number so they're likely to be paying the going rate for that call. That seems fair, as you could otherwise divert your calls to Alaska, Paris, or a 900 number and they must be isolated from any cost that your choice of diversion might generate. The fact that you use a service with an 800 number is accounted for in any charges they make, so you are presumably paying on a per call basis for this privilege (or the light users pay for heavier users). Peter Morgan, in the UK. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2000 02:03:26 -0400 From: "Andy Ball" Subject: ? about bigzoo FamilyNet HQ: Telnet:\\www.family-bbs.net Hello! GG> would you happen to have bigzoo's customer service > number? I have a problem with big zoo and they can't > seem to address my problem thru email. but i can't > find their phone number. i am extremely frustrated. Sorry to disappoint you, but the only telephone number I found for them was answered with an automated message to the effect that people should use the feedback form on their web site (is it coincidence that said form is broken?) What happened, did they double-debit you? Regards, - Andy. * SLMR 2.1a * FamilyNet <> Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #64 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Sep 25 17:27:39 2000 Date: 25 Sep 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000925101511.25055.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #65 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: bd963c7a58a85e3d585964b78ad3c304 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, September 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 065 In this issue: Re: Will privacy kill the CueCat? Re: Will privacy kill the CueCat? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Sep 2000 14:26:11 -0400 From: ellis@ftel.net (Rick Ellis) Subject: Re: Will privacy kill the CueCat? In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >Will privacy kill the CueCat? The interface has been reverse engineered and CueCat doesn't like it: http://slashdot.org/articles/00/09/05/0548211.shtml - -- http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2000 15:06:56 -0400 From: satch@concentric.net (Satch) Subject: Re: Will privacy kill the CueCat? [posted and mailed] Allegedly ellis@ftel.net (Rick Ellis) said on 24 Sep 2000 in <8qlgv2$adi$1@ting.ftel.net> the following: >In article , >Monty Solomon wrote: > >>Will privacy kill the CueCat? > >The interface has been reverse engineered and CueCat doesn't like it: > > http://slashdot.org/articles/00/09/05/0548211.shtml > >-- >http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/ >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. A more complete treatment of the CueCat itself is at my site: http://www.fluent-access.com/wtpapers/cuecat/index.html Furthermore, Digital Convergence hasn't said a word as yet, and one of the reasons I put up the site was to get them to return my calls! - -- _____ __/satch\____________________________________________________________ Satchell Evaluations, testing modems since 1984, 'Netting since 1971 satch at concentric dot net [OR] satch at fluent dash access dot com www.fluent-access.com "Feed a troll, starve a spammer." -- Satch - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #65 ******************************* From ???@??? Tue Sep 26 08:40:29 2000 Date: 25 Sep 2000 22:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: <20000926022825.28127.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #66 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 1a49d6507f06632099adbb07a55ae679 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, September 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 066 In this issue: Code for displaying ESN for CDMA Danger of cell phones on train platforms NYTimes.com Article: A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones NYTimes.com Article: A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones Help posting to your newsgroup. Welcome to ReaderBoards.com Re: NEAX Manual Re: Oops! NYTimes.com Article: A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones Automated paging/ringing system for warehouse? Re: Automated paging/ringing system for warehouse? Morris, IL ESS experiment Report: U.S. Leads Worldwide Snooping Drive EPIC Alert 7.17 Re: Morris, IL ESS experiment Pac*Bell micro-slamming 9/25/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Sep 2000 06:50:33 -0400 From: Richard Lai Subject: Code for displaying ESN for CDMA Does anyone know the code for displaying ESN for a CDMA phone especially for LG phones ? Regards, Richard Lai - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 09:21:19 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Danger of cell phones on train platforms According to the Asahi Shimbun, the Japan Railway company is troubled by a rash of accidents caused by cell phone users not paying attention on train platforms, and getting brushed by incoming trains as a result. In a recent accident, a young man bowed his head as he talked (you see this all the time in Tokyo, as people use the same gestures on the phone as they do in person), just as a train was coming in at 40 km/h, and suffered a severe cut on his head. There have even been fatal accidents in the past. One more cell phone danger to add to the list. - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 10:20:11 -0400 From: itsamike@yahoo.com Subject: NYTimes.com Article: A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com. Telecom Digest Don't archive this or the NYTimes will have to kill you. Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Celebrate Summer with a NYTimes.com Photo Screensaver NYTimes.com's latest screensaver captures the unforgettable moments from Coney Island amusement park. Enjoy these images every day on your computer, absolutely free. http://www.nytimes.com/partners/screensaver/index.html?eta2 \----------------------------------------------------------/ A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/25/technology/25CELL.html September 25, 2000 By MARK LANDLER SYDNEY, Australia, Sept. 24 Yakking on a cellular phone is not yet an Olympic sport, even at an Olympics that has featured the debut of trampoline jumping. But after a week of record-breaking mobile chatter, Sydney can lay reasonable claim to being the first wireless Olympics. Mobile telephones can be found are everywhere at these Games in the hands of spectators, officials, athletes, even visitors, who are taking advantage of agreements on roaming use to bring their phones from overseas. With 8.5 million subscribing to cellular service more than 40 percent of the population Australia is already one of the world's concentrated wireless markets. The high penetration has been magnified by Samsung Electronics, an Olympics sponsor, which has flooded Sydney with 15,000 free phones. "Aussies love their mobiles," said Michelle Mazzarella, a city transit employee, who took her phone to a soccer match to receive minute-by- minute updates on Australia's swimming champion, Ian Thorpe. Claude Comley, a software designer, stood in Sydney's teeming railroad station the other day, with a frazzled look and a phone cradled in his shoulder. He was trying to meet a friend to head for the Olympic stadium. "She's coming in on a train, and she's probably in a tunnel," Mr. Comley said as he punched up her number for the umpteenth time. Many of these calls are flowing over the newly upgraded digital network of Telstra, Australia's publicly traded but still state-controlled phone company, which has prompted company executives to strain for superlatives. "For telecommunications, these Games have produced the largest concentration of demand for services at any singular event ever," said Brian Pilbeam, general manager of Olympics services for Telstra. Verifying such claims is tricky, but Telstra's numbers are impressive by any measure. The company connected 500,000 mobile calls in Olympic Park on the first day of the Games. About 125,000 of those were made inside Stadium Australia, which was packed with 110,000 people for the opening ceremony. Telstra experienced huge spikes in use at dramatic moments, like when the Olympic torch was lighted and when the athletes entered the stadium. Plenty of those calls were made by the athletes themselves, some of whom were too busy racking up long-distance charges to wave to the crowd. Telstra said it was fairly simple to equip smaller arenas, like the Aquatic Center, with an adequate cellular network. The engineering challenge was how to equip the enormous Olympic stadium. The company installed a galaxy of microcells many hidden in lampposts that shower a signal over the audience in much smaller segments than a typical macrocell. This allows slices of the radio spectrum to be reused more efficiently, expanding its capacity beyond that of a normal network. "We believe it's the densest cellular network in any structure in the world," said Anthony Goonan, regional manager of Telstra's mobile division. He said the network's only potential rival had been at the Stade de France in suburban Paris, where the World Cup soccer final was played in 1998. Mr. Goonan carried three phones around the stadium throughout the opening ceremony, testing Telstra's service against those of its rivals, Optus and Vodafone. They are allowed to lease capacity on Telstra's network inside the stadium, but must complete calls on their own networks. "Our objective was for people to get through the first time, most of the time," Mr. Goonan said. "The congestion levels were quite low, and we didn't have any complaints from customers about poor service." Not surprisingly, Mr. Goonan said he had more trouble making calls on the two other services. Although Telstra has the biggest market share here, at 50 percent, it is waging a fierce battle against Optus and Vodafone. With its revenue under attack, Telstra announced steep rate increases earlier in the month on land-line local and long-distance calls. The company, which has been part-privately owned since 1997, also said it would lay off 10,000 workers. For Telstra, the Olympics are a chance to redirect attention from its business fortunes to its technical prowess. The company has invested $50 million to upgrade its mobile network throughout Sydney for the Olympics. And the bells and whistles go beyond Stadium Australia. Throughout the park, Telstra has engineered the network so that it can increase the capacity in segments to follow a crowd of people and their cellular calls. If that does not meet demand, it has stashed mobile cells behind buildings that can be rolled out to increase capacity. For all these precautions, Telstra cannot guarantee that calls will not connect at peak moments. "Mobile service is one of the most visible contributions we're making to the Games, but also the most vulnerable," Mr. Pilbeam said. "There will be massive spikes in usage that no network in the world can handle." It is not just the number of people talking on cellular phones that makes these Games seem to some like a wireless convention with athletic events thrown in. It is also the pervasive presence of Samsung, the Korean conglomerate, which hopes to use Sydney to vault itself into the major leagues of mobile phones. Samsung began making cellular telephones in 1989, but only began exporting them to the United States in 1997. It is fourth in the industry, after Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola, with 6.2 percent of the global market. "We need the powerful marketing tool of the Olympics to catch up, because we're a latecomer," said Jay Kim, a Samsung spokesman. Perhaps hoping to make up in hype what it lacks in history, Samsung donated about 15,000 phones to the Sydney Olympic committee, which in turn lent or leased them to athletes, volunteers and the news media. The company also erected a cavernous tent pavilion in Olympic Park to promote the Samsung name. A slick showroom features its latest gadgets, including a phone so tiny that one wears it Dick Tracy-like on the wrist. Just in case anyone misses the message, Samsung has hired performers, dressed in zoot suits and wraparound sunglasses, to march through public places around Sydney in tight formation, chattering on their phones. No word yet on whether team cellular will become an Olympic event.   The New York Times on the Web http://www.nytimes.com /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE - --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2000 The New York Times Company - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 10:26:48 -0400 From: itsamike@yahoo.com Subject: NYTimes.com Article: A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com. Telecom Digest Don't archive this or the NYTimes will have to kill you. Mike Pollock itsamike@yahoo.com /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Celebrate Summer with a NYTimes.com Photo Screensaver NYTimes.com's latest screensaver captures the unforgettable moments from Coney Island amusement park. Enjoy these images every day on your computer, absolutely free. http://www.nytimes.com/partners/screensaver/index.html?eta2 \----------------------------------------------------------/ A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/25/technology/25CELL.html September 25, 2000 By MARK LANDLER SYDNEY, Australia, Sept. 24 Yakking on a cellular phone is not yet an Olympic sport, even at an Olympics that has featured the debut of trampoline jumping. But after a week of record-breaking mobile chatter, Sydney can lay reasonable claim to being the first wireless Olympics. Mobile telephones can be found are everywhere at these Games in the hands of spectators, officials, athletes, even visitors, who are taking advantage of agreements on roaming use to bring their phones from overseas. With 8.5 million subscribing to cellular service more than 40 percent of the population Australia is already one of the world's concentrated wireless markets. The high penetration has been magnified by Samsung Electronics, an Olympics sponsor, which has flooded Sydney with 15,000 free phones. "Aussies love their mobiles," said Michelle Mazzarella, a city transit employee, who took her phone to a soccer match to receive minute-by- minute updates on Australia's swimming champion, Ian Thorpe. Claude Comley, a software designer, stood in Sydney's teeming railroad station the other day, with a frazzled look and a phone cradled in his shoulder. He was trying to meet a friend to head for the Olympic stadium. "She's coming in on a train, and she's probably in a tunnel," Mr. Comley said as he punched up her number for the umpteenth time. Many of these calls are flowing over the newly upgraded digital network of Telstra, Australia's publicly traded but still state-controlled phone company, which has prompted company executives to strain for superlatives. "For telecommunications, these Games have produced the largest concentration of demand for services at any singular event ever," said Brian Pilbeam, general manager of Olympics services for Telstra. Verifying such claims is tricky, but Telstra's numbers are impressive by any measure. The company connected 500,000 mobile calls in Olympic Park on the first day of the Games. About 125,000 of those were made inside Stadium Australia, which was packed with 110,000 people for the opening ceremony. Telstra experienced huge spikes in use at dramatic moments, like when the Olympic torch was lighted and when the athletes entered the stadium. Plenty of those calls were made by the athletes themselves, some of whom were too busy racking up long-distance charges to wave to the crowd. Telstra said it was fairly simple to equip smaller arenas, like the Aquatic Center, with an adequate cellular network. The engineering challenge was how to equip the enormous Olympic stadium. The company installed a galaxy of microcells many hidden in lampposts that shower a signal over the audience in much smaller segments than a typical macrocell. This allows slices of the radio spectrum to be reused more efficiently, expanding its capacity beyond that of a normal network. "We believe it's the densest cellular network in any structure in the world," said Anthony Goonan, regional manager of Telstra's mobile division. He said the network's only potential rival had been at the Stade de France in suburban Paris, where the World Cup soccer final was played in 1998. Mr. Goonan carried three phones around the stadium throughout the opening ceremony, testing Telstra's service against those of its rivals, Optus and Vodafone. They are allowed to lease capacity on Telstra's network inside the stadium, but must complete calls on their own networks. "Our objective was for people to get through the first time, most of the time," Mr. Goonan said. "The congestion levels were quite low, and we didn't have any complaints from customers about poor service." Not surprisingly, Mr. Goonan said he had more trouble making calls on the two other services. Although Telstra has the biggest market share here, at 50 percent, it is waging a fierce battle against Optus and Vodafone. With its revenue under attack, Telstra announced steep rate increases earlier in the month on land-line local and long-distance calls. The company, which has been part-privately owned since 1997, also said it would lay off 10,000 workers. For Telstra, the Olympics are a chance to redirect attention from its business fortunes to its technical prowess. The company has invested $50 million to upgrade its mobile network throughout Sydney for the Olympics. And the bells and whistles go beyond Stadium Australia. Throughout the park, Telstra has engineered the network so that it can increase the capacity in segments to follow a crowd of people and their cellular calls. If that does not meet demand, it has stashed mobile cells behind buildings that can be rolled out to increase capacity. For all these precautions, Telstra cannot guarantee that calls will not connect at peak moments. "Mobile service is one of the most visible contributions we're making to the Games, but also the most vulnerable," Mr. Pilbeam said. "There will be massive spikes in usage that no network in the world can handle." It is not just the number of people talking on cellular phones that makes these Games seem to some like a wireless convention with athletic events thrown in. It is also the pervasive presence of Samsung, the Korean conglomerate, which hopes to use Sydney to vault itself into the major leagues of mobile phones. Samsung began making cellular telephones in 1989, but only began exporting them to the United States in 1997. It is fourth in the industry, after Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola, with 6.2 percent of the global market. "We need the powerful marketing tool of the Olympics to catch up, because we're a latecomer," said Jay Kim, a Samsung spokesman. Perhaps hoping to make up in hype what it lacks in history, Samsung donated about 15,000 phones to the Sydney Olympic committee, which in turn lent or leased them to athletes, volunteers and the news media. The company also erected a cavernous tent pavilion in Olympic Park to promote the Samsung name. A slick showroom features its latest gadgets, including a phone so tiny that one wears it Dick Tracy-like on the wrist. Just in case anyone misses the message, Samsung has hired performers, dressed in zoot suits and wraparound sunglasses, to march through public places around Sydney in tight formation, chattering on their phones. No word yet on whether team cellular will become an Olympic event.   The New York Times on the Web http://www.nytimes.com /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE - --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2000 The New York Times Company - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 11:41:21 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Help posting to your newsgroup. Patrick Townson, My name is John Repici. I've tried to respond to your usenet group (comp.dcom.telecom) and have not been able to. I'm relatively new to usenet surfing and so assume the problem's on my side. I've asked in other newsgroups for help (newsgroups established for that specific reason) and have still not been able to work through these issues. o Sent reply to "NEAX Manual" thread which did not go through. o Sent a new post to the group entitled "Come and See ReaderBoards.com" which also didn't show up. I'm wondering if there is a subscription process required to respond. People on "help" newsgroups have helped me to confirm: o There is no HTML or other encoding in my messages o Messages are manually line-wrapped to less than 70 cols. They have also told me that this is a mediated board and that I should try and find you (the mediator) for help with this. :-) Any help you can give me in connecting to the group would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. -John P.S. I've just put up a new web-page aims mainly to be a community site for people in the call center industry. It includes local forums, quick votes, member ratings and reviews of books, sites, movies, (and perhaps products soon). That was what one of the messages was about. The site is ReaderBoards.com ("http://www.readerboards.com"). Would you consider placing this in your "links" list? Thanks again. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 11:41:22 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Welcome to ReaderBoards.com Hello, My name is John Repici. I've developed a new web site as part of a software development project. Some of the site's features are: + Committed to building a community of kindred call center industry workers. + The site is completely free, and will remain that way! + Discussion boards and chat areas available 24/7 + Members can produce their own web pages. + Chances to win door prizes tied to participation. First month's door prize drawing (Nov 1): 1st: Agfa digital camera, 2nd: $20 gift certificate at an online bookseller. + Members add, rate, and review web sites, books, products, etc. + Members can set up their own opinion polls and get results immediately. + A special area is provided just for consultants, and members who need them! + Consultants and members can set up their own private discussion boards and chat areas to support clients and private groups. + Members control their own information! It is never sold or traded without explicit permission. Members are always welcome to delete their personal information completely, without hassle. + Easy registration, normally in less than 24 hours. ========================================== The site is brand new (First member joined on 11-September). Please come and help start it up! You will be asked to provide a login name, password, and email address. More information is required to participate in door prize drawings. For press related information and this list of features: http://www.readerboards.org/O/FP/M/PL/DPL.htm For visitor splash page and links to join: http://www.ReaderBoards.com/ Hope to see you there! - -John Repici Site Administrator ReaderBoards.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 11:56:08 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: NEAX Manual Have you tried the NEAX Users group? They're at: www.NEAXug.org I think. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 12:11:45 -0400 From: Mike Pollock Subject: Re: Oops! NYTimes.com Article: A Medal for Aussie Cell Phones Sorry about the double posting, everyone. The dreaded NYTimes "E-mail this story" page malfunctioned and didn't indicate that the story was sent, so I reattempted. Apparently, they both went through. Couldn't be sorrier... - --Mike - --- approve@telecom-digest.org wrote: > Your message to comp.dcom.telecom has been received > and has been posted to the newsgroup. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 13:39:07 -0400 From: brian.doll@prefix.com Subject: Automated paging/ringing system for warehouse? I work at a company with about 25 employees. They each have a telephone extension of their own, however they are often not near their desk phone. When a call comes in for them it is necessary for someone else to receive the call, and to then manually page them on the overhead speaker and tell them they have a call waiting. Are there any telephone systems out there which have capability of playing a unique ring or sound on the overhead speaker for each employee? I would consider upgrading the voice mail system, and possibly the entire phone system if we could add this capability, but I would much rather opt for a clean add-on to our existing system. We currently have a Toshiba Stratagy (Stratagy6) voice mail system, and a Strata DK280 system. I have been thinking of adding conventional phone ports that I could transfer an employee's calls to, and then have a cheap PC watch for the ring signal coming from each of these, and to then broadcast a distinctive ring for that employee over our P.A. system. But this would be messy, and I suspect there is a better way. I welcome any insight & opinions... - -Brian Doll Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 17:47:42 -0400 From: Peter R Cook Subject: Re: Automated paging/ringing system for warehouse? In article <8qntts$qb0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, brian.doll@prefix.com writes >I work at a company with about 25 employees. They each have a >telephone extension of their own, however they are often not near their >desk phone. When a call comes in for them it is necessary for someone >else to receive the call, and to then manually page them on the >overhead speaker and tell them they have a call waiting. Are there any >telephone systems out there which have capability of playing a unique >ring or sound on the overhead speaker for each employee? I would >consider upgrading the voice mail system, and possibly the entire phone >system if we could add this capability, but I would much rather opt for >a clean add-on to our existing system. We currently have a Toshiba >Stratagy (Stratagy6) voice mail system, and a Strata DK280 system. > >I have been thinking of adding conventional phone ports that I could >transfer an employee's calls to, and then have a cheap PC watch for the >ring signal coming from each of these, and to then broadcast a >distinctive ring for that employee over our P.A. system. But this >would be messy, and I suspect there is a better way. > >I welcome any insight & opinions... >-Brian Doll > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. Have you considered whatever is the US equivalent of DECT cordless handsets for each employee who roams. 1880-1900Mhz digital handsets and base stations. Range about 50-100M indoors 300+outdoors. I was shown some Multi extension base stations as part of a recent sales pitch. they were UKP 150 per handset probably about $100-150 in the US. The other alternative is mobile VoIP handsets. I saw some demonstrated at a recent show - can't remember the maker, but they also did rugged Palm pilots, rugged Windows CE units and a wearable unit for warehouse pick and pack. The were based in New York somewhere. The individual units are a bit expensive, but for 25 or less employees might be a better bet than something more sophisticated Regards - -- Peter R Cook - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 18:16:17 -0400 From: "David Perrussel" Subject: Morris, IL ESS experiment Does anyone have any information on the Morris, IL (I could be wrong on the city name) experimental ESS system that was used for a short time in 1960? I know it was based on "cold cathode" vacuum tube technology and the tones were also special purpose (not used before or since). Thanks! Dave Perussel Webmaster - Telephone World http://phworld.tal-on.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 20:03:54 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Report: U.S. Leads Worldwide Snooping Drive > REPORT: U.S. LEADS WORLDWIDE SNOOPING DRIVE The United States has led a worldwide drive to build the groundwork for expanded snooping in the digital era, two civil rights groups alleged in a new survey. The Electronic Privacy Information Center and Privacy International highlighted what they called a push led by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation toward wiretap-friendly international communications standards. .... http://CNN.com/2000/TECH/computing/09/22/snoop.reut/index.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 21:34:19 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EPIC Alert 7.17 ============================================================== @@@@ @@@@ @@@ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @@@@ @@@@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@ @@@ @ @ @@@@@ @ @@@ @@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@ @ @@@ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @@@@ @ @ @ ============================================================== Volume 7.17 September 25, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------- Published by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) Washington, D.C. http://www.epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_7.17.html ======================================================================= Table of Contents ======================================================================= [1] EPIC and PI Release Third Annual Privacy and Human Rights Survey [2] It's Baaack ... Mandatory Filtering Returns to Congress [3] Banned Books Week Celebrates Freedom of Expression [4] Privacy Foundation Investigates :CueCat Scanning Device [5] Int'l Data Protection Conference Brings Together NGOs [6] Upcoming Forum Presents ICANN Candidates [7] EPIC Bookstore - Privacy & Human Rights 2000 [8] Upcoming Conferences and Events - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 21:46:21 -0400 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Morris, IL ESS experiment David Perrussel writes: > Does anyone have any information on the Morris, IL (I could be wrong on > the city name) experimental ESS system that was used for a short time > in 1960? I know it was based on "cold cathode" vacuum tube technology > and the tones were also special purpose (not used before or since). Yes. There's a 350+-page book, "The Electronic Switching System - Trial Installation, Morris, Illinois - General Description" printed in April, 1960. The Bell catalog number is X-63490. While it says "This book is for the use of Bell System employees only, and no portion thereof shall be reproduced in any form without the written permission of Bell Telephone Laboratories, Incorporated" I suspect any "secrets" in it are long out- of-date. Perhaps you could get a copy on loan from a technical library. I've never seen a copy on the general used market. The ringers were electronic as the switching equipment couldn't deal with the voltages involved in regular ringers. That was an opportunity to put other "smarts" in the instruments, but as it was generally under- stood that a general-deployment system would have to work with existing phones, advanced phone designs were not the major focus of the trial. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2000 21:50:14 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Pac*Bell micro-slamming I just got a final bill for a phone number (626) 795-XXXX of mine that I closed earlier this month. The line was cut off on 9/8/2000 in accordance with the instructions. HOWEVER, "somehow" Pac*Hell had declared themselves my local toll carrier starting 9/6/2000, and the only local toll call I made in that time was billed to Pac*Hell... at 29% higher rate than my usual local toll carrier. Since it's only is a matter of pennies, I am not going to waste my breath on this one... but it definitely makes me wonder if this is now standard practice after the SBC takeover? -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:22:36 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 9/25/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - I'LL TAKE COUPONS WITH THOSE DIRECTIONS, PLEASE - - CENTR'S JENNINGS REJECTS ICANN'S FEE DEMANDS - - INT'L. TM ASSOC. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4547 F - CENTR'S JENNINGS REJECTS ICANN'S FEE DEMANDS There are no laws establishing ICANN as the regulator of ccTLDs or generic top level domains (gTLDs) such as .com and .org. Jennings doesn't believe the model ICANN is pushing of a centralized governing body will work as laws will have to exist in each territory. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4546 F - INT'L. TM ASSOC. HITS CAPITOL HILL If the bill passes, the trademark association would be able to focus more attention on counterfeiting and domain-name disputes, issues important to some of its largest members. Both affect brands that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars to their owners. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4545 P - ICANN FILES AMICUS BRIEF ... in the matter of Register.com v. Verio Inc. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4550 P - THE MYSTERY OF THE TYPOSQUATTER Such advertisers as AT&T, BizRate.com and the New York Times have paid a mysterious group of companies for ads that no one sees on sites that steal hits from such big-name Web presences as AOL, Yahoo and MSN. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4549 F - ICANN PUBLISHES DETAILS FOR NOVEMBER PUBLIC MEETING ICANN's next round of meetings are will be held (13-16 November, 2000), in Marina del Rey, California. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4548 F - WIPO II, A WIPE-OUT Some of the most significant problems appear to have derived at least in part from the differences among national trademark laws. National laws on protection of personal names, names of organizations, geographical terms, and tradenames diverge far more than national trademark laws. 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Tue Sep 26 08:44:35 2000 Date: 26 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000926101512.4861.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #67 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 754f3cd4f9863bc95cc339b26a944d24 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, September 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 067 In this issue: Introducing XNS Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Morris, IL ESS experiment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Sep 2000 00:41:19 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Introducing XNS http://www.tbtf.com/blog/2000-09-24.html#1 TBTF Log 8:46:34 AM * Introducing XNS. This will be huge news for personal privacy. A new technology called XNS went live at 7:00 am Eastern time. It marries XML with Web agents and contract law to put you firmly in control of information about yourself and the transactions you conduct over the Net. XNS was developed by OneName to enable Internet users and businesses to exchange data in an automated way with privacy protection built in at the core. It's based entirely on Internet standards like HTTP and XML, and it will be fully open-source. What sets XNS apart from all the various wannabe-standard proprietary technologies is that OneName is licensing the patent that governs this technology to a newly formed non-profit, the XNS Public Trust Organization, or XNSORG. XNS has two basic parts. First is the Web agent technology that enables individuals and business to share information, creating permanent links that can withstand the rigors of new email addresses, physical moves, and marital name changes. For my money the neatest idea in the whole package is that every link is governed by a legally enforceable privacy contract aimed at giving every XNS community member control and ownership of his/her/its personal data, once and for all. Second, XNS has a next-generation naming system -- to find and link to these web agents -- that is designed to avoid all the problems with DNS, both in terms of the size of the namespace and the huge intellectual property issues that have come up. Some of the initial uses for XNS include: * single sign-in at every Web site that supports XNS * spam elimination by requiring all new correspondents to agree to your privacy policy before allowing their mail through * an address book that is never out of date The key to it all is XNSORG, which is a non-profit tasked with coordinating the maintenance of the XNS technology and creating a governance structure for the XNS community. XNSORG will do things like establish technical and operational specifications for the system to ensure quality of service, design a dispute resolution system to handle breaches of privacy contracts, and organize working groups to extend the capabilities of the system. I don't believe there's ever been such a situation on the Internet where an intellectual property holder hands over a patent and all their source code to a non-profit that answers only to the Internet community. Visit the XNSORG services page soon to reserve your chosen personal name. The first operational XNS Naming Agency, OneName itself, is offering one personal name, free for life, to the first million applicants. Other agencies will be coming online beginning next month. http://www.onename.com/ http://www.xns.org/ http://www.xns.org/services/ Copyright 1995-2000 by Keith Dawson. Commercial use prohibited. May be excerpted, mailed, posted, or linked for non-commercial purposes. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2000 00:49:12 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws CHICAGO -- Verizon, the largest U.S. cellular telephone provider, said it broke with the industry Monday and agreed to support laws that would ban handheld cell phone use while driving, a practice blamed for deadly accidents. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39033,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2000 01:14:45 -0400 From: Dennis Ritchie Subject: Re: Morris, IL ESS experiment Terry Kennedy, following Perrussel, wrote: > > David Perrussel writes: > > Does anyone have any information on the Morris, IL (I could be wrong on > > the city name) experimental ESS system that was used for a short time > > in 1960? I know it was based on "cold cathode" vacuum tube technology > > and the tones were also special purpose (not used before or since). > > Yes. There's a 350+-page book, "The Electronic Switching System - Trial > Installation, Morris, Illinois - General Description" printed in April, > 1960. The Bell catalog number is X-63490. Probably more findable is one of the volumes from Engineering and Science in the Bell System, in particular the Switching Technology (1925-1975) one: ISBN 0-932764-02-9. There seems to be more than one copy at abebooks.com, prices ranging between $50 to $200. If you have a specific question, let me know. The Morris trial did exist, starting June 1960, and was completed January 1962. An early stored-program switch. I think I have one of the glass photographic plates that contained the program for the flying-spot store. Dennis - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #67 ******************************* From ???@??? Wed Sep 27 08:34:15 2000 Date: 27 Sep 2000 06:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20000927101509.29534.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #68 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: de6c72afb83f68f66e6b66d130c44c54 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, September 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 068 In this issue: Re: Morris, IL ECO experiment Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: a news report warning of pager scam IE 5.5 hole lets hackers into personal records New MSN feature encourages spamming friends 9/26/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Sep 2000 08:43:35 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Morris, IL ECO experiment Terry Kennedy wrote: "The ringers were electronic as the switching equipment couldn't deal with the voltages involved in regular ringers. That was an opportunity to put other "smarts" in the instruments, but as it was generally understood that a general-deployment system would have to work with existing phones, advanced phone designs were not the major focus of the trial." True, though the ECO phones also had 20 pps dials. (Another change was that the protectors had different circuitry to keep the electronic ringers from getting blown out.) Since the experimental switch did not operate 24/7/365, the test customers had two phones side by side, one for the ECO and a normal set for the existing crossbar switch. To place a call you'd pick up the ECO phone and listen for a dial tone, but if there was none you'd have to use the standard phone instead. (The tone ringer made it easy to tell which of the two phones was ringing on an incoming call.) The customer kept his/her existing phone number; the crossbar switch was set up in some way to forward calls to the ECO. It's noteworthy that the Touch-Tone project was well underway at Bell Labs and Western Electric during this period, but there's no indication of any attempt to include it in the Morris ECO trial. FWIW, that crossbar switch in Morris was finally cut over to a real ESS some time in the mid-1970s. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:19:04 -0400 From: ahk@chinet.com (The Hyphenator!) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Monty Solomon wrote: >Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws >CHICAGO -- Verizon, the largest U.S. cellular telephone provider, >said it broke with the industry Monday and agreed to support laws >that would ban handheld cell phone use while driving, a practice >blamed for deadly accidents. >http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39033,00.html Good distraction! Hands-free cellular usage is more dangerous! People tend to gesture. It's simple: Make a choice. Drive or make a phone call. Don't do both and mow down a pedestrian. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2000 19:29:28 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: a news report warning of pager scam Followup to: <8qaii0$nk2$1@hatathli.csulb.edu> By author: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > An important aspect of country codes is that they are prefix unique. > No country code is every the same as the beggining of another country > code. Since "1" is assigned to North America (Canada + US, etc), > no other code can begin with 1. Likewise, 40 is the code for UK. > No other country code begins with 40. The purpose of the unique > prefix allows switching equipment to always know where calls should > be routed. > Yes, of course. Nothing in my post contradicted that. I said *either* split up country code 1 (to 10, 11, 12, ...) or introduce "super-area" codes, i.e. +1-1-, +1-2- etc. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2000 21:47:10 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: IE 5.5 hole lets hackers into personal records IE 5.5 hole lets hackers into personal records A veteran bug hunter has detected yet another security hole in Microsoft's software that could potentially give hackers an easy route to personal computer files. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2872605.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 2000 21:55:34 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New MSN feature encourages spamming friends New MSN feature encourages spamming friends The latest test version of Microsoft's MSN Internet service is setting off sparks over a feature that converts MSN email accounts to Hotmail, as well as over an accompanying spam-like missive that encourages customers to send an advertisement-laden email to friends and colleagues. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2872592.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:47:32 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 9/26/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS Will the ITU control the DNS? Will NSI/ICANN wipe out traditional telecom? Are the DNS and Telecom on a collision course? Who will control DNS and Numbers property - and global communications? - - FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ENUM [DRAFT] - - E.164 NUMBERS AND DNS: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS - - TELCORDIA & VERISIGN TO HOLD ENUM TRIAL *** - - THE REAL POWER BEHIND THE INTERNET - - IT'S 10 P.M. ... DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHINESE DOMAINS ARE? - - HARDWAREZONE.COM V. HARDWAREZONE.COM.SG - - FCC EYES INTERNET BACKBONE DOMINANCE - - EU ICANN BOARD CANDIDATES' VIEWS, POSITIONS, PROJECTIONS ************************************************************************* !!! YOUR TEXT AD HERE !!! 18,000+ weekly readership, over 112,000 targeted impressions every month! Space is limited -- ORDER NOW! -- email editor@icbtollfree.com. ************************************************************************ CUSTOMER SERVICE NOTE: Click here to see what candidates for ICANN's board have to say about domain name issues: http://icbtollfree.com/icbsurveycandidates.html. Updated as survey responses come in. ICB is a popular research destination, with all content archived indefinitely. Find all ICB headlines, current and archived, at http://www.icbtollfree.com/icbheadlns.cfm. ************************************************************************ ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: F = Free - News and Features articles P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for September 26, 2000 Will the ITU control the DNS? Will NSI/ICANN wipe out traditional telecom? Are the DNS and Telecom on a collision course? Who will control DNS and Numbers property - and global communications? P - FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ENUM [DRAFT] ... FAQ for E.164 telephone numbers, accountable to the ITU, to ride the .ARPA top level domain space, which is accountable to ICANN/Commerce, resulting in one global VoIP network, accountable to -- who? Document authored by North American Numbering Plan Administrator/gTLD Registry applicant Neustar. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4558 P - E.164 NUMBERS AND DNS: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS This document discusses the use of the Domain Name System (DNS) for storage of E.164 numbers. Names within this zone are to be delegated to parties according to the ITU recommendation E.164. The names allocated should be hierarchic in accordance with ITU Recommendation E.164, and the codes should assigned in accordance with that Recommendation. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4554 P - TELCORDIA & VERISIGN TO HOLD ENUM TRIAL "The domain name system provides the ideal housing for the ENUM trial," said Bruce Chovnick, general manager of VeriSign Global Registry Services. Every toll-free call in the U.S. depends on Telcordia software. This service management platform will be used to provide similar capabilities for the trial system. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4551 (Also see ENUM DEPLOYMENT IN NORTH AMERICA, http://icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4339: "The operational issues, which are outside the scope of the ENUM WG, are going to be nastier than the technical ones and, I think, more extensive for toll-free than for POTS numbers.") ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://1800TheExpert.com <<<<<<<<<<<<< 800 & Domain Name Acquisition Management, Lost/Stolen 800 # Retrieval, Litigation Support, Regulatory Navigation, Correlating Domain Name & Trademark Matters. ************************************************************************* Are you a local or regional business that advertises in newspapers, direct mail, on radio or tv? 1 800 BRAND IT shared use marketing programs can help your sales skyrocket! http://www.1800BrandIt.com ************************************************************************* FT Telecom Conferences In its 20th year, this event will bring leading personalities in the telecomms industry to discuss opportunities and challenges which technological advancement, increased competition and restructuring will pose to the future of global telecommunications. Register online to receive your 10% discount. http://www.ftconferences.com/dynamic/conferences/ftwt00.htm?bn=icb ************************************************************************* EVERY 3.6 SECONDS SOMEONE DIES FROM HUNGER http://www.hungersite.com/ ************************************************************************* Visit Global Telecom Domains(SM), 'The Best Names in Telecom' www.GlobalTelecomDomains.com ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* more HEADLINES for September 26, 2000 F - THE REAL POWER BEHIND THE INTERNET Servers and workstations, hubs and routers of networks, giant Internet data centers – they're all massive electricity hogs. Electric power usage is growing faster than the economy. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4557 F - IT'S 10 P.M. ... DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHINESE DOMAINS ARE? To jump-start publicly held companies without registered Chinese-character names into action, Chinese-DNS.com, based in Silicon Valley, is offering up to US$1.2 million in free Chinese-name domain registrations to almost 14,000 U.S. and Canadian publicly held companies through Oct. 31. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4556 F - HARDWAREZONE.COM V. HARDWAREZONE.COM.SG "The issue is when you register a .com website, should you also register country-specific domain names like .com.sg?'' One has to weigh the extra costs of registering additional domain names for each country against the potential loss of a country-specific name. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4553 F - FCC EYES INTERNET BACKBONE DOMINANCE Like the European Commission which is continuously monitoring the anti-competition potential in the Internet industry in Europe, the FCC looks to be building up to taking a similar line on the US Internet industry. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4552 P - EU ICANN BOARD CANDIDATES' VIEWS, POSITIONS, PROJECTIONS On September 22 an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) was conducted with the European ICANN-candidates. "The US government quiet holds a so-called "dormant authority" over the A-root. And ace it seems now, the administration has no intention of withdrawing or divesting this authority soon. What do the candidates think about this from a European perspective?" ... and that's just the beginning. A good verbatim read. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4555 ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* TelecomCareers.net - Cutting Edge Telecom Careers, #1 Telecom Job Site! http://TelecomCareers.net ************************************************************************* P.A.T. - a real Live person inside your voice mail? Yes. 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Thu Sep 28 07:56:59 2000 Date: 28 Sep 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000928101512.22464.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #69 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 99da0b5e35e48f74e0682eb7ae3597d9 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, September 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 069 In this issue: Judiciary Committee Backs E-Mail-Snooping Restrictions DSC/Alcatel .vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Idealab F*cks With F*ckedCompany Are digital signatures a threat? 9/27/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Sep 2000 08:30:36 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Judiciary Committee Backs E-Mail-Snooping Restrictions Judiciary Committee Backs E-Mail-Snooping Restrictions The powerful House Judiciary Committee sent a pointed message to the nation's law enforcers today, voting 20-1 to approve legislation requiring investigators to show evidence before obtaining citizens' phone and e-mail records. http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/155737.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2000 13:44:04 -0400 From: Evan Brown Subject: DSC/Alcatel .vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Wednesday September 27, 2000 DSC/Alcatel .vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues I have disclosed my "idea" to the court so now DSC has my "idea." I worked at DSC facilities (PB-6 building, Plano, TX) from June 26th until Sept 6th. DSC provided a small conference room with computer equipment and a security guard (to watch over my shoulder as I worked and keep track of potty breaks etc.). Since Sep 6th, I've worked on the disclosure from here at the farm. DSC is very creative. Back on Aug 23rd, DSC brought in a new security guard (Christina) to click her pen, shuffle her jacket and rattle papers while I tried to concentrate. Christina was also very sick with a cold/flu. I asked her to stay outside the room but Kay Gregory (secretary for Chris Cole, assistant general council for DSC) ordered Christina to stay in the room with me. Guess what? I caught the cold and have been sick ever since. I went to the medical clinic in Hamilton about 10 days ago because I was only getting worse. I learned that I had developed a form of pneumonia and the medication was $8.44 per pill. I'm doing better but at least I finished my disclosure. I thought a lot about how to "fully and completely" disclose my "idea" such that my disclosure would satisfy the court. I'm a technical computer programmer, not a writer. It occurred to me that if I gave them a working computer program that implemented my "idea", that would certainly constitute a full and complete disclosure. A working computer program would show that, not only was all the logic there, but it would also show that my "idea" does work. My "idea" does work. - Evan Brown PS. This article in the Bloomberg News just came out today - --------------------------------------------------------------- Evan, here's the wire version of the story. The magazine version should be out in a week or so, and I will mail you a copy when I get it. Please keep me posted on events as they unfold. I may check back with you from time to time. Thanks again, Loren Alcatel, Fired Worker Tangle Over Who Owns Software Idea 9/27/0 3:21 (New York) Alcatel, Fired Worker Tangle Over Who Owns Software Idea (Published in the October issue of Bloomberg Markets magazine.) Farm-to-Market Road 219, outside Fairy, Texas, Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) -- For 14 weeks starting in June, Evan Brown climbed into his dust-covered Ford pickup and drove 160 miles from central Texas to Alcatel SA's U.S. headquarters near Dallas, compelled by a state judge's order to divulge one of his few remaining assets: his thoughts. DSC Communications Corp., now owned by Paris-based Alcatel, fired Brown in 1997 after he refused to divulge his idea for software that would modernize DSC's telephone switches, which route calls over the world's phone networks. Then DSC sued Brown, charging that he'd breached a contract that required him to turn over inventions to the company. Out of a job and out of money, Brown, 48, has had little choice but to shed the trappings of his former success. He sold his Cessna 210 single-engine plane and used the cash to build a metal barn on 300 hardscrabble acres northwest of Waco, where he weathered months of 100-degree days before installing air- conditioning. He brings in about $2,000 a year by leasing his land to farmers -- in stark contrast to his $100,000 annual salary at DSC. Long gone are his single-story brick home on a tree-lined cul-de-sac in the Dallas suburb of Plano, his Mercedes 300 SD sedan, and his prized gun collection: rifles, shotguns, and pistols he'd acquired since college. The Battle for Ideas While Brown's situation may be extreme, the issue that's driven him into such dire circumstances has become increasingly important in an economy powered by technology -- and the people who invent it. Companies such as Alcatel are getting more aggressive in cases involving employee ideas -- officially dubbed ``intellectual property'' -- as they fight to keep knowledge they deem vital from falling into competitors' hands. Legal experts predict the number of suits against workers and rival companies will balloon as competition for skilled employees intensifies and turnover in engineering jobs runs as high as 15 percent. This year alone, some of the biggest names in the computer world -- including Intel Corp., Cisco Systems Inc. and Lucent Technologies Inc. -- are involved in trade-secret suits. ``There's absolutely no question we're seeing more intellectual property disputes and disputes with departing employees,'' says Michael Epstein, head of the technology and proprietary rights practice at New York law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges. ``It's a huge concern among high-tech companies.'' High Stakes The cases can involve considerable stakes. Brown estimates he's spent $500,000 on legal fees. He says he can't find work aside from the occasional consulting agreement because no employer wants to take on his legal woes. What's worse, the court order forced him to spend more than three months at his former workplace to develop and test his software idea -- without pay, without a stipend for his expenses, and with little hope of benefiting from what he estimates is a $1.5 billion market for his idea. ``They're trying to make an example out of me for all their other employees,'' Brown says from under the brim of his white cowboy hat, his boots lacerated from the limestone rock that dots his farmland. ``They are not entitled to this. Corporations cannot own parts of people. They can't own your brain.'' Alcatel doesn't agree. ``We have lots of assets, but there are no assets anywhere near as valuable as our intellectual property,'' says George Brunt, Alcatel's U.S. general counsel. ``The competition is all based around who can innovate.'' Lawsuits Galore Europe's second-largest phone equipment maker has suits pending against big companies such as Cisco and start-ups including optical switch developer Chiaro Networks Ltd. In the past four years, Alcatel -- and DSC before it -- have won most of them, collecting a judgment of $140.7 million against Next Level Communications Inc., in 1997. That's a hefty sum, considering some intellectual property cases are settled for no more than legal fees and an agreement to keep workers from disclosing secrets at the new job. Alcatel isn't alone. Fujitsu Ltd. is suing Cisco, claiming the No. 1 maker of networking equipment hired 27 Fujitsu workers to steal secrets about communications gear. Fujitsu filed the case in December 1999 in the courthouse where Brown's suit is pending. Employees as Suspects In March No. 1 computer-chip maker Intel sued Broadcom Corp., a fast-growing rival in which Intel was an early investor. The suit claimed Broadcom hired four Intel workers to gain designs and marketing plans for communications chips. A state district judge in California, where the case was filed, ruled in May that three of the employees hadn't revealed Intel secrets. The judge issued an injunction against the fourth, preventing him from being hired because he had allegedly mentioned confidential Intel information in his job interview at Broadcom. Intel fired a new round in August. It sued Broadcom in federal district court in Wilmington, Delaware, and accused its rival of using a ``carefully crafted plan'' to build its business with Intel patents for cable and high-speed networking products. Broadcom responded that Intel is simply trying to discourage its employees from seeking better jobs. More Than Tech Companies Companies outside the computer industry aren't immune. In one of the most publicized cases, No. 1 retailer Wal-Mart Stores Inc. accused Amazon.com Inc. of raiding 15 top workers in 1998. The suit, filed in Arkansas state court in October of that year, claimed the biggest Internet bookseller and Drugstore.com Inc., in which Amazon holds a 23 percent stake, wanted Wal-Mart's expertise in computerized systems to help Amazon sell more general merchandise. The companies settled in April 1999 after Amazon agreed to limit the duties of former Wal-Mart executives and consultants. The companies also agreed not to solicit each other's employees for a year. No money changed hands. Legal Muscle Brunt, the Alcatel general counsel who had the same job at DSC, says his company has an obligation to protect information that could be ferreted away by workers and used against it. When Alcatel bought DSC in 1998, it inherited Brunt's legal strategy and his formidable track record in court. DSC's biggest victory was its $140.7 million judgment against Next Level, now majority owned by Motorola Inc. The company claimed two workers had formed Next Level while at DSC and had used DSC technology to make Next Level's set-top boxes for cable TV service and Internet access. In December Alcatel squared off in a Dallas courtroom with Samsung Electronics Co., accusing the Korean company of stealing designs for phone switching systems by hiring Alcatel workers. The companies settled out of court in January. Terms weren't disclosed. Brunt rejects any notion that his company is a legal bully. ``We've had some high-profile cases and some big judgments that have put it a little more in the limelight,'' he says. ``One of the primary vehicles for companies to protect their intellectual property is to go to court.'' Top Secret The first line of defense for companies anxious to protect intellectual property is to get employees to sign confidentiality agreements, says Epstein, the Weil Gotshal attorney. ``The rule is that any confidential information that an employee learns during the employee's job belongs to the employer,'' he says. Even so, courts are finding it harder to distinguish between confidential information and general knowledge. Also, intellectual property is still a relatively young branch of jurisprudence, meaning, courts must look to different areas of the law -- from contracts to patents -- for guidance. In many cases, Alcatel has used an argument termed ``inevitable disclosure.'' The concept stems from a 1995 federal appeals court ruling in Chicago involving soft drink maker PepsiCo Inc. and Quaker Oats Co. PepsiCo sued over Quaker's hiring of a key PepsiCo executive, William Redmond. The court found that Redmond knew about PepsiCo's marketing plan for its All Sport drink and that he inevitably would use his knowledge to help Quaker market its rival Gatorade. ``Redmond could not be trusted to avoid that conflict of interest,'' the appeals court said. The ruling prevented Redmond from doing his job for six months and from ever disclosing PepsiCo secrets. ``I was at Quaker, but basically on the bench,'' says Redmond, who left in 1996 to join Garden Way, a Troy, New York, maker of tillers, snow blowers, and lawn mowers. Sue First, Question Later For high-tech companies, simply getting a new design to customers first often ensures success. The process can go into warp speed when new technology is at stake. A microprocessor, for example, can move from design to production in 12 months compared with two to three years for a new car. ``As the economy and technology move faster, people do rely on other ways of keeping their information confidential,'' says Chuck Oslakovic, an attorney specializing in trade-secret law at Chicago firm Leydig, Voit & Mayer. That may mean suing departing employees as a preemptive strike against a future competitive threat. For Brown it's meant spending eight hours a day at Alcatel's offices hunched over a computer screen. He says that Alcatel forbids him to leave the room to go to a vending machine, and an employee assigned to watch him notes his rest room breaks. Billion-Dollar Idea? The idea that has spawned so much trouble sounds simple: develop software that translates outdated computer languages into one that today's machines can understand. So far, though, no one has created a program that can read all the quirks in the older systems. ``This could be extremely valuable if there's anything behind the idea,'' says Brunt, who believes the concept has merit because Brown is ``an expert in developing software tools.'' Brown claims he began working on the idea as far back as 1976, 11 years before DSC hired him. When he joined DSC in April 1987, he signed an agreement that he would disclose any inventions related to his job as a software designer. In 1996 the solution to the computer code problem he'd been pondering came to him. He filed a notice with DSC's legal department in April of that year saying he had developed his idea ``from my own personal experience and on my own time.'' He asked the company to issue a release, stating that his idea wasn't covered by his employment agreement because it involved ``software reverse engineering'' -- basically taking modern computer code, breaking it down, and rewriting it in the outdated language. ``DSC is not in the business of software reverse engineering, and my job at DSC does not involve reverse engineering,'' Brown wrote in his April 19 notice to DSC. Slippery Slope DSC disagreed, and the company and Brown spent almost a year trying to reach a compromise. Brown says he went on vacation to Europe in April 1997 and returned to find he'd been fired. DSC sued days later, claiming Brown was trying to sell the concept to competitors. Brown says that wasn't the case. Few things have gone Brown's way since. In June 1997 State District Judge Curt Henderson ordered him to disclose the idea to attorneys and DSC engineers. Brown claims he explained the concept to the DSC team but the team couldn't make it work. DSC argued the disclosure wasn't complete, and the judge agreed. In January of this year, Henderson again ordered Brown to disclose the idea. The judge sanctioned Brown for failing to properly reveal it the first time and awarded DSC 20 percent ownership should it be patented. In other words, Alcatel will get 20 percent of any revenue if the idea is successful. So far, neither side has sought a patent. Brown filed for bankruptcy in late January, delaying the suit even longer, in part because the bankruptcy court had to determine whether the idea was an asset. Legally, the idea is worthless because no one's offered to pay for it, the bankruptcy judge decided. The case began moving forward again in June, when Brown was ordered to report to DSC's headquarters and begin the disclosure. No Shower, Lots of Armadillos Brown now calls home his farm near the hamlet of Cranfills Gap in the Texas Hill Country. Except for a high-speed phone line, his new residence offers few amenities. Even a shower is a mile down a dirt road in a farmhouse that his sister is restoring. The turn of events has left him plenty of time to ruminate as he watches deer congregate near a cedar brake at dusk and chases armadillos that root around in his garden. He's determined to implement his invention on Alcatel's computers so the company can't again claim he's holding back. Only after the judge finds Brown has fully revealed the idea can the case go to trial, where Brown believes he finally may prevail. ``The only chance I have is, get before a jury,'' he says. Brunt says Alcatel is equally determined to fight for valuable intellectual property. One of the few things he and Brown agree on is that the software could be worth more than $1 billion. As Brown wraps up the disclosure this week, he says he has seen signs that the idea would work, which makes his ordeal even tougher because it could mean giving Alcatel what he has spent years trying to protect. ``That really eats on me, but I'm not going to give up,'' he says. ``My freedom of my thoughts is worth everything I own or possess.'' - --Loren Steffy in Dallas (214) 740-0870 or at steffy@Bloomberg.net with reporting by Daniel Tilles in Paris through the Princeton newsroom (609) 279-4000/gcr. Story illustration: To compare the performance of Alcatel's American depositary receipts with the Standard & Poor's 500 Index, see {ALA US COMP } - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2000 19:57:09 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Evan Brown wrote... >DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues > >I have disclosed my "idea" to the court so now DSC has my "idea." This highly interesting and difficult issue reminds me of a major difference between the US and Japan. That's the relationship one has with one's employer. Traditionally, the Japanese have been fiercely loyal to their company, so that the distinction you make regarding your own idea, developed on your own time, would not even exist here. If your idea could help your company win out over other companies, that would be all that mattered to you. I don't want to get into which way is best (and obviously things are changing in today's Japan); but it strikes me that if someone wants to develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty hard to have it both ways. - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2000 21:58:59 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Carnivore Review Team Exposed! by Declan McCullagh 12:30 p.m. Sep. 27, 2000 PDT Call it the Curse of Carnivore. It was bad enough when word leaked out this summer that the FBI's electronic eavesdropping system went by the unfortunate, if eerily accurate, name of Carnivore. The Feds took another blow when researchers at MIT and other prestigious institutions refused to undertake a review, likening the probe to a public relations whitewash. Now it turns out that an embarrassing oversight by the Justice Department has revealed confidential information about the team of researchers hired to conduct the review. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39102,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2000 22:01:38 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Idealab F*cks With F*ckedCompany Idealab F*cks With F*ckedCompany by Craig Bicknell 3:00 a.m. Sep. 27, 2000 PDT Idealab has made it clear: It won't be f*cked with. On Monday, the Net incubator sent a cease-and-desist letter to the operator of the dot-com death-chronicle site FuckedCompany.com, demanding that he remove a parody of Idealab's home page that replaced the word "idealab!" with "FuckedCo!" http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39086,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2000 22:14:00 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Are digital signatures a threat? Are digital signatures a threat? Expert warns of potential for identity theft By Will Knight ZDNET LONDON, Sept. 26 - Do we need to worry about government tracing and identity theft? A leading technology expert has warned that digital signatures, an increasingly prevalent Internet security technology, could hail a future devoid of privacy. http://www.msnbc.com/news/467900.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:12:30 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 9/27/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - VENDOR SELECTION CRITERIA FOR DEALER LOCATOR APPS - - GLOBAL GLUEBALL - AND TOO MANY COCKS IN THE KITCHEN - - REGISTER.COM: BELLY UP, OR ON THE REBOUND? - - WITH NO ONE IN CHARGE OF THE HENHOUSE, NSI GRABS FOR THE ROOSTER - - FCC URGES RENEWAL OF TECH COUNCIL CHARTER - - NISSAN.COM: DAVID VS. GOLIATH - - DOW JONES LOSES UDRP - - TM TLD COULD CURE DOMAIN LITIGATION ************************************************************************* !!! YOUR TEXT AD HERE !!! 18,000+ weekly readership, over 112,000 targeted impressions every month! Space is limited -- ORDER NOW! -- email editor@icbtollfree.com. ************************************************************************ CUSTOMER SERVICE NOTE: Click here to see what candidates for ICANN's board have to say about domain name issues: http://icbtollfree.com/icbsurveycandidates.html. Updated as survey responses come in. ICB is a popular research destination, with all content archived indefinitely. Find all ICB headlines, current and archived, at http://www.icbtollfree.com/icbheadlns.cfm. ************************************************************************ ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: F = Free - News and Features articles P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for September 27, 2000 P - VENDOR SELECTION CRITERIA FOR DEALER LOCATOR APPS Toll-free dealer locator systems, also known as point-of-call routing systems, play an important role in the marketing initiatives they support. In fact, they are often synonymous with the company itself (e.g. 1-800 By Ryder). Selecting the right service provider for these applications is crucial. Part I of a two-part article by Paul Langhorst of 800 Adept, Inc. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4564 F - GLOBAL GLUEBALL - AND TOO MANY COCKS IN THE KITCHEN In "ENUM: the Internet's Glueball infrastructure", A.M. Rutkowski, VP for Internet Strategy at VeriSign-NSI, describes how "the core ENUM infrastructure will substantially reside within the Internet's Domain Name System. However, it elegantly spans the multiple integrating worlds of public telephone and telecommunication networks, wireless devices, home networks, digital certificates, geospatial systems, and just about anything and everything that is reachable through internetworking. The system hierarchy is constructed around a combination of both E164 public telecom numbers as well as private numbers." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4563 F - REGISTER.COM: BELLY UP, OR ON THE REBOUND? The company's stock has soared to $116, and dropped to $6.75. But its balance sheet is loaded with cash, about $180 million at the end of the second quarter, and analysts says its likely to turn slightly profitable in the fourth quarter and be solidly profitable for all of 2001. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4562 F - WITH NO ONE IN CHARGE OF THE HENHOUSE, NSI GRABS FOR THE ROOSTER We have what anyone would call a delicate situation. Guest Editorial by Gordon Cook. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4561 ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://1800TheExpert.com <<<<<<<<<<<<< 800 & Domain Name Acquisition Management, Lost/Stolen 800 # Retrieval, Litigation Support, Regulatory Navigation, Correlating Domain Name & Trademark Matters. ************************************************************************* Are you a local or regional business that advertises in newspapers, direct mail, on radio or tv? 1 800 BRAND IT shared use marketing programs can help your sales skyrocket! http://www.1800BrandIt.com ************************************************************************* FT Telecom Conferences In its 20th year, this event will bring leading personalities in the telecomms industry to discuss opportunities and challenges which technological advancement, increased competition and restructuring will pose to the future of global telecommunications. 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On the other side is the Japanese automotive company alleging that Nissan is using the coincidence of the names to draw more visitors to his Web site: www.nissan.com, registered since 1994. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4566 P - DOW JONES LOSES UDRP "It may be that the Policy needs to be reviewed, particularly in relation to the requirement for showing use and registration in bad faith. It may seem inappropriate that a person with no legitimate right or interest in a name should be able to register it as a domain name adversely to one who has demonstrated such rights and interests, but the Panel is bound to apply the Policy as it is." SLIPPERY SLIPPERY SLOPE ... CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4565 F - TM TLD COULD CURE DOMAIN LITIGATION G. Gervaise Davis, intellectual property attorney: "Domain names should not be confused with trademarks. Trademarks have national boundaries, while domain names must be used globally." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4560 ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* TelecomCareers.net - Cutting Edge Telecom Careers, #1 Telecom Job Site! http://TelecomCareers.net ************************************************************************* P.A.T. - a real Live person inside your voice mail? Yes. P.A.T.LiVE, a division of ATG Technologies, Inc., rents live secretarial services through a toll free number. P.A.T. (Personal Assistance Team) can enhance your productivity and image with rates as low as 3 cents per minute. http://www.patlive.com or 800.775.7790 ************************************************************************* Free Timely Time Management Tips to increase your personal productivity and give you more time and balance for your personal life. 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Fri Sep 29 08:01:41 2000 Date: 29 Sep 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000929101511.24534.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #70 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: c2a4428b3a6df2c0ed0fdcd4b57c4ae2 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 070 In this issue: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws "Guard Band" Auction Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws 9/28/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Sep 2000 09:13:32 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Monty Solomon wrote: >Carnivore Review Team Exposed! >by Declan McCullagh > >12:30 p.m. Sep. 27, 2000 PDT > >Call it the Curse of Carnivore. > >It was bad enough when word leaked out this summer that the FBI's >electronic eavesdropping system went by the unfortunate, if eerily >accurate, name of Carnivore. > >The Feds took another blow when researchers at MIT and other >prestigious institutions refused to undertake a review, likening the >probe to a public relations whitewash. > >Now it turns out that an embarrassing oversight by the Justice >Department has revealed confidential information about the team of >researchers hired to conduct the review. >... This is incredible. I downloaded the document from the DOJ web site and retrieved the redacted information, too. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:06:02 -0400 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues In accordance with the prophecy, John De Hoog wrote: > Evan Brown wrote... >>DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues >> >>I have disclosed my "idea" to the court so now DSC has my "idea." > I don't want to get into which way is best (and obviously things are > changing in today's Japan); but it strikes me that if someone wants to > develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they > should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the > desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to > have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty > hard to have it both ways. Quitting one's job and starting a company to develop an idea is a fine thing. But by your logic, the person should quit their job before having the idea. How's that supposed to work in the real world where people need to have a source of income for things like food, housing, etc.? - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:42:14 -0400 From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) Subject: Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues In article , "Peter F. Dubuque" wrote: >In accordance with the prophecy, John De Hoog wrote: >> Evan Brown wrote... > >>>DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues >>> >>>I have disclosed my "idea" to the court so now DSC has my "idea." > >> I don't want to get into which way is best (and obviously things are >> changing in today's Japan); but it strikes me that if someone wants to >> develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they >> should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the >> desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to >> have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty >> hard to have it both ways. > >Quitting one's job and starting a company to develop an idea is a fine >thing. But by your logic, the person should quit their job before having >the idea. How's that supposed to work in the real world where people need >to have a source of income for things like food, housing, etc.? In this instance , assuming Brown's version is accurate, the question becomes even tougher -- say you have an idea, try to develop it and fail, go to work in an unrelated (!) job to support yourself, and then one day suddenly have the inspiration that makes the job workable. For the company to claim ownership of the original idea is a little like the "all rights" contracts the some newspapers and other publishers are trying to impose on freelance writers, in which the writer ostensibly gives up ownership not only of their current assignment but of all previous writing that they've ever done. paul - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:53:01 -0400 From: Matt Simpson Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article , The Hyphenator! wrote: > Good distraction! Hands-free cellular usage is more dangerous! People tend > to gesture. Yeah .. and by backing a law which bans only hand-held usage, the cellphone companies can call themselves safety-conscious, while raking in the $$ from all the hands-free kits they'll sell if the law is passed. - -- Matt Simpson -- Obsolete MVS Guy University Of Kentucky, Lexington, KY - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 14:20:31 -0400 From: John Schwartz Subject: "Guard Band" Auction The FCC recently concluded its 700 MHz "guard band" auction. The most recent issue of _Wireless Week_ contains a story on the auction results: http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/Hot/hotthree.shtml This auction appears to have involved some novel concepts, and I'm interested in learning more. Do any subscribers to the list have sources to suggest? J. ___________________________________________________________________________ John B. Schwartz P.O. Box 6060 Telephone 303-442-2707 Boulder, CO 80306 FAX 303-442-6472 schwartz@usa.net ___________________________________________________________________________ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:22:51 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws >>From 'Matt Simpson': >Yeah .. and by backing a law which bans only hand-held usage, the >cellphone companies can call themselves safety-conscious, while raking >in the $$ from all the hands-free kits they'll sell if the law is >passed. I can't speak for anyone else, but it's certainly easier for ME to keep my concentration on the road and both hands on the wheel if using a handsfree kit, and I have never bought one from a cellular carrier. - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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ENUM puts ITU controlled E.164 telephone numbers into the ICANN/Commerce controlled .ARPA top level domain space, reportedly under the authority of RIPE, the European IP Number Registry. According to ITU documentation, there will be numbering plan changes as ENUM "put[s] telephone numbers into the DNS," as described by the IETF in its presentation to the ITU. All this begs the question, who's telecom is it, and who's will it be? Find here a list of recognized ITU member states and national telecom regulatory authorities. At the moment its *their* telecom. The ball will bounce, politically and technically, in their court. (The directory is large - please allow for load time.) CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4571 F - DECIDING MOMENTS ICANN has established a cumbersome nomination process, whereby representatives from the first nine board members representing commercial and technical interests get to make most of the nominations for the remainder of the board. It's like allowing the U.S. Senate to nominate candidates for the House. 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POWERS TO SEARCH AND SEIZE DATA Officials from Canada, Japan, South Africa and the United States are participating in a Council of Europe convention to draw up the world's first international treaty on cybercrime -- to a backdrop of industry fears and criticisms from privacy advocates. 'The intentions behind the treaty are valid, but as the first draft came out, it seemed to raise more problems than it would cure.' CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4568 ************************************************************************* **************************************************advertisements********* TelecomCareers.net - Cutting Edge Telecom Careers, #1 Telecom Job Site! http://TelecomCareers.net ************************************************************************* P.A.T. - a real Live person inside your voice mail? Yes. P.A.T.LiVE, a division of ATG Technologies, Inc., rents live secretarial services through a toll free number. P.A.T. 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To unsubscribe mailto:editor@icbtollfree.com, subject: unsubscribe. *************************** ADVERTISING INFORMATION *************************** For information on advertising in ICB HeadsUp Headlines emails, see http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4415 ************************************************************************* Only subscribers or registered users of ICB Toll Free News web site will be able to access all or some of the full text of URLs provided. ************************************************************************* Copyright © 2000 ICB, Inc. All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 21:56:08 -0400 From: John De Hoog Subject: Re: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the saga continues Peter F. Dubuque wrote... >>...it strikes me that if someone wants to >> develop ideas on their own and sell them to the highest bidder, they >> should start their own company (venture business), not be sitting at the >> desk of a big firm like DSC/Alcatel that might reasonably be expected to >> have an interest in such technology. As you've discovered, it's pretty >> hard to have it both ways. > >Quitting one's job and starting a company to develop an idea is a fine >thing. But by your logic, the person should quit their job before having >the idea. How's that supposed to work in the real world where people need >to have a source of income for things like food, housing, etc.? That's what I meant about "having it both ways". What you see as perfectly logical is that a person should be able to sell himself to a company, depend on that company for his livelihood, milking it for all he can (expensive cars and gun collections!), and yet not owe that company any more than time served. This seems to be the American way. From here it looks just a little strange, but perhaps we can chalk that up to culture differences. In this case, where Alcatel seems to be laying claim to an idea that Mr. Brown had in his head prior to being hired (by DSC), a key issue of course is whether one justification for Mr. Brown's high salary was his possession of a brain likely to hatch ideas that might be useful to DSC. It's sort of like buying oil rights to a patch of land without knowing for sure of its yield. If so, and if he chose instead to keep his best ideas for himself, then Alcatel might well feel he had not lived up to his part of the bargain. But then, we don't know for sure what that bargain was in the first place. It certainly is an issue that comes up constantly in American technical companies, and I don't pretend it is an easy one. I just think we ought to look carefully at both sides. - -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 02:14:55 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served By Ben Hammer 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the number of messages it sends out. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 03:46:24 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! "Monty Solomon" wrote in message news:v0422080bb5f855e1e373@[32.226.167.9]... > > Carnivore Review Team Exposed! > by Declan McCullagh > ... > Now it turns out that an embarrassing oversight by the Justice > Department has revealed confidential information about the team of > researchers hired to conduct the review. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39102,00.html The article reveals that a PDF file released by the FBI about the team had information blacked out in a way that could be evaded using standard Adobe Acrobat software, thereby making public what the FBI sought to keep private. This FBI ineptness with regard to privacy and security isn't surprising. When the FBI "invited" telecom carriers to reveal highly sensitive information regarding their switches, etc., in connection with CALEA compliance earlier this year, the Feds asked that the information be emailed to a free account at yahoo.com. Believe it or not, it's true. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #70 ******************************* From ???@??? Sat Sep 30 08:39:44 2000 Date: 30 Sep 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000930101511.13952.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #71 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: f9018027c45ade6fb6aa1be9bd3eea8d Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, September 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 071 In this issue: Is Chartroom working? Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Journal Subscription I need a project manager American Express Private Payments Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Call around the world for cheap using arbitrage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Sep 2000 12:06:33 -0400 From: "Will Standley" Subject: Is Chartroom working? Patrick, I've tried both chat rooms with IE 5.5 and with mIRC... Can't get in... Is there a problem with the server? Thanks, will - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 14:08:16 -0400 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Steve Sobol wrote: >>>From 'Matt Simpson': >>Yeah .. and by backing a law which bans only hand-held usage, the cellphone >>companies can call themselves safety-conscious, while raking in the $$ from >>all the hands-free kits they'll sell if the law is passed. >I can't speak for anyone else, but it's certainly easier for ME to keep my >concentration on the road and both hands on the wheel if using a handsfree >kit, and I have never bought one from a cellular carrier. Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. I know a lot of people sound like they speak without thinking, but that's not really true, is it? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 15:56:10 -0400 From: Corey Kleven Subject: Journal Subscription To Whom It May Concern, I just spotted your entry doing a search on google.com. I was actually looking for some Documentation on the Rolm 9751 model 10 phone switch, exclusively programming manuals. How do I qualify for this journal? I came from Star Telecom a long distance service provider working at many of their switch sites. I helped set up a four digit dialing plan with centralized voice mail in the following cities, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, Dallas, New York, Washington DC and Miami. We used the NEC 2000 IVS and what a workhorse it was. I am Ceritfied to program a NEC 2000 from the ground, up. Might come in handy. I have since moved on from Star Telecom and have begun the task of overseeing multiple sites in the LA Basin Area. I have three different switches including the NEC 2000 as well as the Merdian option 11-61 and some Rolm Switches. I am just trying to catch up with some of the programming on these switches. I do like to keep up with new telecom technology and am willing to try innovative ideas. Keep me posted as your journal could benefit from my involvement. Corey J Kleven Telecom Specialist Soundelux Entertainment Group; Liberty Livewire 323-603-2160 Work 323-363-4715 Cell 213-314-0729 Pager 323-603-3233 Fax - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 17:01:09 -0400 From: Tom Wiencko Subject: I need a project manager I am currently looking for a project manager to assist in the integration of a wireless property into a larger network. The ideal person will have extensive experience in wireless (cellular operators and/or PCS), a strong technical background, and at least several successful projects in the recent past which can be called as references. Experience with Ericsson wireless networks is a big plus. This is a contract position for the next 6-9 months. Rates will depend on experience but will be competitive. The project is in the Atlanta area. A moderate amount of travel (1-3 days per week) within the Southeast will be required. I need someone available immediately. Contact me via email (tew@wiencko.com) if you or someone you know may be interested. Thanks! Tom - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tom Wiencko tew@wiencko.com President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc. (404) 255-2330 Telecom Consulting & Project Development -- Wireline, Wireless, Internet - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 17:02:22 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: American Express Private Payments MacInTouch ... American Express Private Payments are instantly generated, limited life, transaction numbers which AmEx card holders can use for online purchases; the Private Payment FAQ answers the question "Is Private Payments compatible with Macintosh computers?": http://www26.americanexpress.com/privatepayments/faq.jsp The Private Payments software is compatible with Windows 95, 98, and NT operating systems. Macintosh users, and all users who do not have a compatible operating system, can register for the service and obtain Private Payments numbers at the American Express site by clicking on the "Request a New Number" link in the "Registered User" section. http://www.americanexpress.com/privatepayments - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 22:38:26 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Followup to: By author: "Adam H. Kerman" In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > >I can't speak for anyone else, but it's certainly easier for ME to keep my > >concentration on the road and both hands on the wheel if using a handsfree > >kit, and I have never bought one from a cellular carrier. > > Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do > with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to > something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. > > In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and > that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. > > I know a lot of people sound like they speak without thinking, but that's not > really true, is it? > Seriously, though: how does that differ from talking to someone else in the car with you? Should we ban talking to people in the car, too? Listening to the radio? Smoking (which is apparently enough of a distraction that some insurance companies charge higher premiums for smokers -- not to mention the littering problem)? -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 2000 22:45:16 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Followup to: By author: Monty Solomon In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served > By Ben Hammer > 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the > number of messages it sends out. > http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html > They claim "opt-in", but I have gotten spammed by a number of companies which claim "opt-in" which really aren't -- in fact, one of the worst offenders have been the Microsoft "Freedom to Innovate" network, which has been spamming me with propaganda broadcasts for many months. The first few times I dutifully used their removal webpage, but it never has any effect -- despite the claim that it will remove you from all Micro$oft mailing lists. Anyone that know of any identifying mark these guys use that one can use to bounce their mail? -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 00:16:59 -0400 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws On 29 Sep 2000 22:38:26 -0400, H. Peter Anvin wrote: | Followup to: | By author: "Adam H. Kerman" | In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom ... | > Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road | > have to do with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are | > still reacting to something that is being said and thinking about | > what to say in reply. ... | Seriously, though: how does that differ from talking to someone else | in the car with you? Should we ban talking to people in the car, too? The person in the car usually knows when to be quiet. I'll stick with usually because non-drivers may not understand what is going on behind the wheel, but they certainly can understand the environment. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 01:48:05 -0400 From: John R Levine Subject: Call around the world for cheap using arbitrage International calls to the UK are really cheap, typically 9 cents/min or so on any decent calling plan. Calls to other countries cost more. I stumbled across a service in the UK called Just Dial. Intended for UK callers, one calls Just Dial's number, which is a normal UK number, then dial any of these countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. They complete the call and pay for it out of their share of the call charges, just like all the new "free" ISPs in the UK. Well, guess, what, it works from overseas as well, so you can call any of those countries, which normally run 15 to 40 cents/min, for the cost of a call to the UK. (You can also call the US, which I suppose might be useful if you want to make it hard to tell what number you're calling from.) To use it, call Just Dial at 011 44 870 794 0000#. Then when they answer, dial 00, the country code and the city code, e.g. to call a number in Paris it'd be 00 33 1 xxxx xxxx. The only peculiarity is that it's only available during the week, not on weekends. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner Finger for PGP key, f'print = 3A 5B D0 3F D9 A0 6A A4 2D AC 1E 9E A6 36 A3 47 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #71 ******************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 01 10:33:23 2000 Date: 1 Oct 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20001001101512.24225.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #72 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 34d12d0ef4afa45befee94e9b47717a5 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, October 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 072 In this issue: Re: Call around the world for cheap using arbitrage Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Dialing Issues with Nortel DMS100 BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Can Lucent 8510 ISDN sets be upgraded to NI-1 ? Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Sep 2000 08:33:29 -0400 From: Peter Morgan <$nospam$@webnet.clara.net> Subject: Re: Call around the world for cheap using arbitrage In comp.dcom.telecom ... on 30 Sep 2000 01:48:05 -0400 John R Levine wrote: >dial any of these countries: > Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, .... There are some restrictions. Calls to several cellular services are now being charged at higher rates, so such call attempts are detected and are barred on these services, unfortunately (my nephew is working in Belgium, and I only have a mobile number for him - but as an aside there is a free service on the web allowing SMS [text messages] to be sent to cellular phones: http://sms.totalise.net/ - so have tried that to him as a cheap one-way message delivery service). Just Dial was mentioned in a posting I made on 11-Sep-2000... www.just-dial.com mentions the restrictions. >Well, guess, what, it works from overseas as well, so you can call any of Sounds like an oversight - I am sure they hadn't expected such calls ! >call to the UK. (You can also call the US, which I suppose might be useful >if you want to make it hard to tell what number you're calling from.) crafty !! :-) There might be quite a "lag" and the delay may make it a little awkward to use... I assume you've found it usable so trust these delays are not too annoying. >To use it, call Just Dial at 011 44 870 794 0000#. Then when they >answer, dial 00, the country code and the city code, e.g. to call a >number in Paris it'd be 00 33 1 xxxx xxxx. There's a separate service operating from a similar number - just substitute 1234 instead of 0000 in the number shown (011 44 ...) [I don't know how much they receive but may as well make some income for both of them and spread the load :-] >The only peculiarity is that it's only available during the week, >not on weekends. This "peculiarity" is because at the weekends, income from a call to 0870 numbers in the UK is lower than during weekdays. Presumably the cost of the international calls is in excess of the proportion passed on to the companies running these services... BT's standard charges for 0870 calls are : 7.9p per minute for peak (M-F 08:00-18:00), 3.95p/min off-peak and 2p/min weekend (48hrs of Saturday and Sunday). Other companies offer as much as 50% off BT's standard prices, though such savings might not apply at all times, and for some calls abroad, charges may be lower without using these 0870 services. Peter Morgan. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 11:34:11 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served >>From 'H. Peter Anvin': >Followup to: >By author: Monty Solomon >In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom >> >> E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served >> By Ben Hammer >> 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the >> number of messages it sends out. >> http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html >> > >They claim "opt-in", They aren't. There are plenty of complaints about them over in news.admin.net-abuse.email. - -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Linux Instructor, PC/LAN Program, Natl. Institute of Technology, Akron, OH sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net - 888.480.4NET - 216.619.2NET - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 12:08:36 -0400 From: nick3104@my-deja.com Subject: Dialing Issues with Nortel DMS100 Hello everyone, I thought perhaps someone here could help me. I'm using a voice/fax board to place and receive calls. If you want to think of it this way, this board is acting like a PBX at the customer's site. It's using T1 robbed-bit service, AMI/D4, with E&M signaling. No errors on the line at all--no slips, etc. The T1 line is coming straight in from the local telco service provider, from a DMS100 at their CO. The issue I'm having is this....Most calls go through fine. I can dial local, long-distance, etc, and get right through and transmit what I need to. However, when dialing local calls which don't leave the switch I'm connected to, I can't make a decent connection with the other side. The other side sees me, but they don't go off-hook. The curious thing is, a rep from the service provider was out on-site. He took the T1 line out of this voice/fax board, plugged it into his T- Berd tester, dialed the local number we'd been having trouble with and got right through. (Using DTMF digits, as is the board.) He plugged the line back into the voice/fax board, I dialed the same local number, and got a repeat of the problem...no connection. Even more curious, we had his switch guy at the CO monitor the DMS100 as we placed calls to this number, and we did not tell this guy which device was actually doing the dialing on the T1 line. We then tried with the T-Berd, and then with the board. The switch guy couldn't tell the difference--from both devices, he saw all the digits, and they were all the right digits. So, we know that the board is sending the right digits to the DMS100, which is recognizing them. It's just that when the connection tries to be made to the other side, when dialing with the T-Berd it's fine, but when dialing with the voice/fax board the connection just doesn't go high. The telco rep explained that when you're doing calls that need to leave your local switch and go to another switch, whether that other switch is cross-town or cross-country, it's all SS7 signaling, which tears down and rebuilds the signal. However, on these calls where the call doesn't leave the local switch, it just goes straight through. Does anyone have any ideas about what this DMS100 may not like about the signal the voice/fax board is putting out? We know it likes the digits it's dialing....can anyone think of anything else? Please post here, or email me directly, whichever. Thanks! Nick Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 12:48:58 -0400 From: "Graham" Subject: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? >>From information gathered and explained below, here are some possible new names for the new company being formed by the wireless segments of BellSouth and SBC: PEOPLECLIP DIRECTPATH UPRING INDIGO WIRELESS CINGULAR COMOTION DIRECT PATH Yes, believe it or not, "PEOPLECLIP" is at the top of the list. The facts that I have gathered favor that a bit over the others. Based on publically available information , consider the following: - In September, 2000, applications for Trademarks were submitted with the US Patent and Trademark Office by an attorney whose office is at an address that matches BellSouth's Cellular offices. The names of the Trademark applications follow: PEOPLECLIP, PEOPLECLIP WIRELESS, PEOPLECLIP COMMUNICATIONS, COMOTION, DIRECT PATH, CINGULAR, CINGULAR WIRELESS, CINGULAR COMMUNICATIONS, INDIGO, INDIGO WIRELESS, INDIGO COMMUNICATIONS, UPRING, UPRING WIRELESS, UPRING COMMUNICATIONS - On August 18, 2000, Patricia Raison (a paralegal, per her AOL profile, and at a physical address that matches BellSouth's Intellectual Property Office) registered the following internet domain names: peopleclip.com peopleclip.org peopleclip.net - The internet domain servers associated with the 3 domain names above are already within BellSouth's BLS.COM domain - Most of the other combinations of the same names trademarked above with and without words like "wireless" and "communications" have recently been registered on the net at register.com by Jeff Walker of VSA Partners. Moreoever, name-extensions of the "peopleclip.com" names registered by Raison such as "peopleclipwireless.com" were registered by Walker. VSA Partners specializes in brand identity and consultancy per their website. I am collecting clues to discovering the new name for BellSouth + SBC based on public information. I think I am on the right track with the trademarked names. By melding that info with the internet domain registrations, it could be hypothesized that all of the trademark applications were proposed by the VSA consultant, and somehow the name "PEOPLECLIP" got picked. OF course, there could be many other purposes for any of the names. If anyone interested finds any other pieces to this puzzle, please share. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 21:32:53 -0400 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? graham99@bellsouth.net (Graham) wrote >Yes, believe it or not, "PEOPLECLIP" is at the top of the list. There is a certain irony here, in that it certainly describes a business that clips people. - -- Life at work is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels. Some monkeys are climbing up, some down. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 22:40:06 -0400 From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do >with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to >something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. > >In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and >that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. I guess you're in favor of a law against car pooling then? Or would the cops only pull you over if they could actually *see* you talking with someone else in the car? Would singing along with the radio be outlawed? And why have radios in the first place? Or those CD players where you have to fumble with the discs? Arguably more dangerous than cell-phones. The point is, we already have laws about careless driving but they are simply not enforced. What makes anyone believe a no-phone law would be? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2000 23:42:42 -0400 From: "Scott Nelson" Subject: Can Lucent 8510 ISDN sets be upgraded to NI-1 ? I moved from one office to another office and the 8510 ISDN sets I have work great on a 5ESS Custom system but now I am on a NI-1 system ( a DMS 100 that uses NI-1 ). Can these be upgraded/change to do NI-1 signaling or am I looking for a used phone place to trade these in for NI-1 sets? If so, anyone know of a used phone place that would upgrade/exchange (4) sets for NI-1 units? Thanks in advance. Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------- Scott Nelson - Network Engineer Wash DC +1202-270-8968 & +1202-352-6646 Los Angeles +1310-367-6646 mailto:scottnelson@spamcop.net - ---------------------------------------------------------- "The better the customer service, the sooner you get to speak with someone who can't help you." - ---------------------------------------------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 00:17:07 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! On 29 Sep 2000 03:46:24 -0400, "Michael D. Sullivan" wrote: .... >This FBI ineptness with regard to privacy and security isn't surprising. >When the FBI "invited" telecom carriers to reveal highly sensitive >information regarding their switches, etc., in connection with CALEA >compliance earlier this year, the Feds asked that the information be emailed >to a free account at yahoo.com. Believe it or not, it's true. Well, _somebody_ may have "invited" them. I doubt the FBI uses Yahoo accounts for something like that. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #72 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Oct 02 06:58:41 2000 Date: 2 Oct 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20001002101512.13391.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #73 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 549c6294b0d77d4b038a7573ca1f1834 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, October 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 073 In this issue: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial Do not call - PrivateHarbor.com Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Oct 2000 10:06:42 -0400 From: "Brad Snyder" Subject: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? As an employee of BellSouth, if the name of our new company is in fact PeopleClip, the stunned silence at the company meeting next week when the name is announced is going to be deafening! I have my doubts but, my hope is this is an elaborate misinformation campaign to throw us all off the trail of the real name (grin). bdsnyder@bellsouth.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 15:00:55 -0400 From: djb0x77371b0c@scream.org (Dan Birchall) Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Monty Solomon wrote: > E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served > By Ben Hammer > 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the > number of messages it sends out. > http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html Ah well, I suppose the same "logic" that overvalues companies that lose money year after year would tend to try to improve business by spamming... ;) [What? 24/7 aren't spammers, you say? Why, then, are they part of the new RECA group that's trying to promulgate worst-current-practices for e-mail marketing?] - -Dan (I think I've got some nominees for f*ckedcompany.com...) - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley, Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org Post your reviews; get paid: http://epinions.scream.org/join.html Free web-based e-mail: http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1163079 My address expires - take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 19:12:02 -0400 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws H. Peter Anvin wrote: >>In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and >>that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. >Seriously, though: how does that differ from talking to someone else in the >car with you? It doesn't. A few months ago, there was a study of the mortality rates among teenagers driving other teenagers. They were quite high compared to teenagers driving by themselves. >Listening to the radio? That's supposed to keep you more alert. >Smoking (which is apparently enough of a distraction that some insurance >companies charge higher premiums for smokers -- not to mention the littering >problem)? Lighting a cigarette while driving is a terrible distraction, especially since people always turn their heads to do so. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 19:15:52 -0400 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Gary Novosielski wrote: >Would singing along with the radio be outlawed? Can you carry a tune? >Or those CD players where you have to fumble with the discs? Arguably more >dangerous than cell-phones. No, that's comparable. >The point is, we already have laws about careless driving but they are >simply not enforced. What makes anyone believe a no-phone law would be? I wasn't arguing in favor of a law; Verizon was! But the law they were backing wouldn't reduce the number of collisions caused by distraction from cell phone use, so I was suspicious of their motives. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 19:28:37 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws H. Peter Anvin wrote: : Followup to: : By author: "Adam H. Kerman" : In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom :> :> >I can't speak for anyone else, but it's certainly easier for ME to keep my :> >concentration on the road and both hands on the wheel if using a handsfree :> >kit, and I have never bought one from a cellular carrier. :> :> Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do :> with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to :> something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. :> :> In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and :> that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. :> :> I know a lot of people sound like they speak without thinking, but that's not :> really true, is it? :> : Seriously, though: how does that differ from talking to someone else : in the car with you? Should we ban talking to people in the car, too? : Listening to the radio? Smoking (which is apparently enough of a : distraction that some insurance companies charge higher premiums for : smokers -- not to mention the littering problem)? : -hpa : -- : at work, in private! : "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." : http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt : -- : The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail : messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 21:10:48 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial http://www.verisign.com/press/2000/enum.html David Wright Edelman Public Relations Worldwide Phone: 650.429.2738 E-mail: David Wright Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial Companies invite service providers, applications developers and vendors to participate in trial to simplify networked communications Herndon, VA, September 26, 2000 - The proliferation of multiple networked devices and media poses major challenges for rapid personal and business communications. Recognizing market demand for the simplicity of one telephone number to communicate with multiple devices - such as e-mail, fax machines, cell phones and pagers -- communications software and solutions provider Telcordia Technologies, Inc. and VeriSign, Inc. (Nasdaq:VRSN), the leading provider of Internet trust services, today announced an agreement under which Telcordia and the VeriSign Global Registry Services division will jointly develop an ENUM directory and an open system trial based on the proposed ENUM standard. The trial system will be housed on the VeriSign Domain Name System (DNS) infrastructure that handles more than one billion domain name queries per day. The proposed ENUM standard, currently being considered by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), provides a framework for a global numbering system to map telephone numbers to other service addresses over the Internet. ENUM-based services would allow one telephone number to serve as a single point of contact for numerous communication media, from telephone to e-mail and from wireline to wireless. "The trial will bring us significantly closer to implementing a real-world ENUM model for consumers and businesses alike," said Richard Orriss, vice president and general manager of the Service Business and Management Group at Telcordia. "With ENUM fully realized, the business card of the future could list a single universal address, to which people could direct a phone call, an e-mail, a fax, or other communications. The result -- more efficient, simplified communication anywhere, around the globe." As the full scope and potential of ENUM functionality and consumer use will ultimately be defined through the development of independent applications, the companies are inviting service providers, applications developers, and vendors to participate in the trial which is scheduled to begin in late Q4 2000. "The domain name system provides the ideal housing for the ENUM trial," said Bruce Chovnick, general manager of VeriSign Global Registry Services. "We recognize the potential for the convergence of telephony and Internet communications and are pleased to be working with Telcordia toward the practical integration of the two technologies." The Trial System The ENUM project is the focal point of the convergence of the public switched telephone network (PSTN) and the Internet. Telcordia and VeriSign Global Registry Services together bring proven leadership in both of these domains. Telcordia provides leading-edge service management systems globally to administer and update numbers for toll-free and local number portability services. Every toll-free call in the U.S. depends on Telcordia software, which has processed billions of toll-free calls without service interruption. This robust service management platform will be used to provide similar capabilities for the trial system. The trial system will operate on the DNS infrastructure maintained by VeriSign Global Registry Services that handles the translation for more than 19 million domain names on the Internet, responding to more than one billion queries per day. Using this infrastructure will help result in rapid resolution of number-to-address mapping. Additionally, VeriSign is uniquely positioned as the leader in Internet security, which will play a critical role in ENUM-based services. The trial, which will utilize a gateway through the ENUM resource site www.enumworld.com, will allow users to develop and exercise their applications for functionality and compatibility with the ENUM standard. To learn more about how to participate in the trial, system developers and service providers can visit www.enumworld.com or e-mail information@enumworld.com. About VeriSign VeriSign, Inc. (Nasdaq:VRSN) is the leading provider of trusted infrastructure services to Web sites, enterprises, electronic commerce service providers and individuals. The company's domain name, digital certificate and payment services provide the critical web identity, authentication and transaction infrastructure that online businesses need to conduct secure e-commerce and communications. VeriSign's services are available through its websites (www.verisign.com and www.netsol.com) or through its direct sales force and reseller partners around the world. About VeriSign Global Registry Services VeriSign Global Registry Services (a division of Network Solutions, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of VeriSign, Inc.) is the leading provider of Internet locator services. VeriSign Global Registry Services maintains the definitive directory of over 19 million web addresses and is responsible for the infrastructure that propagates this information throughout the Internet and responds to over 1.5 billion DNS look-ups daily. As the exclusive provider of registry services to .com, .net, and .org, VeriSign Global Registry currently supports 66 active ICANN accredited registrars operating in 17 countries around the globe. For more information, see the www.verisign-grs.com web site. About Telcordia Technologies, Inc. Telcordia Technologies, Inc., an SAIC company, is one of the world's largest providers of operations support systems, network software and consulting and engineering services to the telecommunications industry. The Telcordia software organization, comprised of Operations Support Systems and Service and Business Management Systems, has been ISO 9001-certified and has been assessed at Level 5, the highest level of the Capability Maturity ModelŇ, an industry standard for measuring software development processes that was developed by the Software Engineering Institute at Carnegie Mellon University. A leader in the development of Next Generation Network technologies, Telcordia employs more than 6,500 professionals and has revenues of more than $1.5 billion. Telcordia (www.telcordia.com) is headquartered in Morristown, New Jersey, US with offices throughout the United States, Europe, Central and South America and Asia Pacific. All rights reserved. VeriSign is a registered trademark of VeriSign, Inc. Statements in this announcement other than historical data and information constitute forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those stated or implied by such forward-looking statements. The potential risks and uncertainties include, among others, potential volatility in VeriSign's stock price, uncertainty of Internet privatization, increased competition in the domain name registration business including price competition, customer acceptance of new products and services offered by the company in addition to or as enhancements of its registration services, risks associated with the company's international business, uncertainty of future revenue and profitability and fluctuations in its quarterly operating results. More information about potential factors that could affect the company's business and financial results is included in VeriSign's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, especially in the company's Registration Statement on Form S-4 filed on April 12, 2000, as amended, Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 1999 and Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the period ended June 30, 2000. ### All rights reserved. VeriSign is a registered trademark exclusively licensed to VeriSign, Inc. VeriSign OnSite is a service mark of VeriSign, Inc. All other trademarks are properties of their respective owners. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 22:07:35 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Do not call - PrivateHarbor.com Excerpt from http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/275/business/Sticker_shock_zings_motorists_at_inspections+.shtml Do not call One man's annoying telemarketing call is another man's business opportunity. For $18.95 a year, Private Harbor Inc. (privateharbor.com) of Doylestown, Pa., is promising dinnertime solitude by placing customers on the do-not-call lists of more than 1,500 telemarketers. The three-week-old company says it takes about three months to get a customer's name on the lists, but after that all those dinnertime calls from AT&T, the Discover Card, and Time Magazine should disappear. If they don't, Private Harbor says it will help its customers sue the telemarketers. Not all telemarketing calls will disappear. Under federal law, telemarketers working for charitable organizations or conducting surveys are not required to maintain do-not-call lists. Consumers could add their name to the do-not-call lists themselves, by mailing requests to telemarketers or asking telemarketers who call them to add their name to the list. But Don Herr, chief executive at Private Harbor, said that would take years and hundreds of dollars of postage. ''This is more efficient,'' he said. The Cellucci administration filed privacy legislation this year that would have set up a state do-not-call list. Residents could have signed up free of charge and telemarketers would have been barred from calling anyone on the list. The legislation is currently being revamped and is expected to be refiled next year. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 04:06:51 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article <8r3jm7$8so$1@cesium.transmeta.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > Followup to: > By author: "Adam H. Kerman" > In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > > > >I can't speak for anyone else, but it's certainly easier for ME to keep my > > >concentration on the road and both hands on the wheel if using a handsfree > > >kit, and I have never bought one from a cellular carrier. > > > > Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do > > with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to > > something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. > > > > In other words, you are thinking about something other than your driving, and > > that makes you a danger to those you share the right-of-way with. > > > > I know a lot of people sound like they speak without thinking, but that's not > > really true, is it? > > > > Seriously, though: how does that differ from talking to someone else > in the car with you? Should we ban talking to people in the car, too? > Listening to the radio? Smoking (which is apparently enough of a > distraction that some insurance companies charge higher premiums for > smokers -- not to mention the littering problem)? > I believe the majority of drinkers also smoke. I suspect this bit of info is factored into rates. -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 04:13:07 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws > > CHICAGO -- Verizon, the largest U.S. cellular telephone provider, > said it broke with the industry Monday and agreed to support laws > that would ban handheld cell phone use while driving, a practice > blamed for deadly accidents. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39033,00.html > -- Here are a couple of links (papers) that may help to define the state of regulation for cellular use while driving in the US, as well as international regulations. In all fairness, more statistics (deaths) appear to be required to move legislation forwards. Lawsuits against policy holders, business that require employees to use cellphones, and others, may also have more immediate influence. Warning: Using a Cellular Phone While You Drive May Be Hazardous Address:http://www.lib.utah.edu/epubs/hinckley/v2/jackman.htm Investigation of the Use of Cellular Phones while Driving Address:http://www.cutr.eng.usf.edu/its/mobile_phone_text.htm - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 04:39:36 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article , "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: > Gary Novosielski wrote: > > >Would singing along with the radio be outlawed? > > Can you carry a tune? > > >Or those CD players where you have to fumble with the discs? Arguably more > >dangerous than cell-phones. > > No, that's comparable. > > >The point is, we already have laws about careless driving but they are > >simply not enforced. What makes anyone believe a no-phone law would be? > > I wasn't arguing in favor of a law; Verizon was! But the law they were backing > wouldn't reduce the number of collisions caused by distraction from cell phone > use, so I was suspicious of their motives. > It's all about time (airtime) and money. Your suspicions are well founded. Verizon has seen the writing on the wall and because of Illinois unique, no headset law, they stand to lose most vehicle call revenue if a ban on handhelds goes through. A bit of self serving shuffle.    "Verizon supports cell phone ban CHICAGO, Sept. 25 – The city's traffic committee today took up the issue of banning hand-held phones while driving, and in a surprise move, a major mobile phone company announced it will support the ban if the city would work with the company to lobby for the repeal of a statewide ban on the use of earphones while driving."   Verizon supports cell phone ban Address:http://www.msnbc.com/local/WMAQ/53706.asp - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #73 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Oct 02 21:20:27 2000 Date: 2 Oct 2000 21:32:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20001003013211.10410.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #74 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: e063c1b31cc6295a79c583db92fef556 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, October 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 074 In this issue: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Do not call - PrivateHarbor.com AT&T Wireless sloppily starts CDPD in Poughkeepsie, NY Telecom Update (Canada) #252, October 2, 2000 re: Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial 10/2/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Oct 2000 07:54:43 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article <8r9hjv$641$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, David Lind wrote: > In article , > "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: > > Gary Novosielski wrote: > > > > >Would singing along with the radio be outlawed? > > > > Can you carry a tune? > > > > >Or those CD players where you have to fumble with the discs? Arguably more > > >dangerous than cell-phones. > > > > No, that's comparable. > > > > >The point is, we already have laws about careless driving but they are > > >simply not enforced. What makes anyone believe a no-phone law would be? > > > > I wasn't arguing in favor of a law; Verizon was! But the law they were backing > > wouldn't reduce the number of collisions caused by distraction from cell phone > > use, so I was suspicious of their motives. > > > > It's all about time (airtime) and money. Your suspicions are well founded. > > Verizon has seen the writing on the wall and because of Illinois unique, no > headset law, they stand to lose most vehicle call revenue if a ban on > handhelds goes through. A bit of self serving shuffle.    "Verizon supports > cell phone ban CHICAGO, Sept. 25 – The city's traffic committee today took up > the issue of banning hand-held phones while driving, and in a surprise move, > a major mobile phone company announced it will support the ban if the city > would work with the company to lobby for the repeal of a statewide ban on the > use of earphones while driving."   Verizon supports cell phone ban > Address:http://www.msnbc.com/local/WMAQ/53706.asp > The referred link has disappeared from the scource at wow.com and msn.com or any search I could muster for the last hour. A conspiricy.... or just an expired news story??? Ok, here is a text article that mildly refers to Verizons acceptance of single ear headsets, for the repeal of Illinoise outright ban on all headsets[*]. Could anyone locate the text for the the sept. 26 2000 http://www.msnbc.com/local/WMAQ/53706.asp ?   CELL FIRM BACKS BAN ON USE WHILE DRIVING By Gary Washburn Tribune Staff Writer September 26, 2000 A major cellular phone company on Monday bolted from industry ranks, backing a ban on use of hand-held cell phones in moving vehicles. But support for the prohibition by Verizon Wireless came with a few provisos. The company's position was announced during a meeting of the Chicago City Council's Transportation Committee, which is weighing a proposed partial phone ban in the city, but Verizon officials asserted that any legislation should be statewide to prevent a hodgepodge of local ordinances. "In the state of Illinois, we could have hundreds of different ordinances that would make it nothing but confusing to customers on how they should use their phones," asserted Annette Jacobs, Verizon's Great Lakes regional president. [*] And a prohibition on the use of hand-held phones by the General Assembly should come only after legislators repeal an Illinois law that prohibits use of headsets in cars, Jacobs asserted. [*] That measure was passed to end the use of personal music devices. But it effectively prohibits the use of hands-free cell phones that feature "earbuds" for listening. Jacobs said Verizon has taken "a very pro-active stance" nationwide on cell phone use in cars. "Since we are the largest wireless provider, we feel it is important for us to have a pro-safety campaign," she said. AT&T Wireless, meanwhile, held to the industry line. The company "believes that education, not legislation, is appropriate," said spokesman Jeremy Pemble. "The bigger issue here is distracted driving ... If you start legislating [against] cell phones, is the City Council or the state going to legislate against CB radios for truckers and taxi drivers? Are they going to start legislating against putting on makeup or listening to books on tape?" To that question, Ald. Edward Burke (14th) answered Monday with a resounding "yes." Burke called on the Police Department to gather statistics on accidents caused by distractions and introduced a measure at the Transportation Committee meeting that would make it illegal to drive while distracted. "This is a more generic approach to the issue and it would include use of cell phones, but would also ban the use of shavers, ban people from putting on makeup while driving, and ban people from reading magazines while driving," Burke said. Meanwhile, Ald. Burton Natarus (42nd), the committee's chairman, pledged to continue to push for his proposal, which started the debate over cell phone regulation earlier this year. Under Natarus' measure, use of hand-held phones would be illegal except in cases of emergency, while use of hands-free models would be permitted. - -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 08:39:42 -0400 From: Daniel Seagraves Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws On 2 Oct 2000, David Lind wrote: [Snip, but not so that you miss the point] > If > you start legislating [against] cell phones, is the City Council or the state > going to legislate against CB radios for truckers and taxi drivers? Are they > going to start legislating against putting on makeup or listening to books on > tape?" To that question, Ald. Edward Burke (14th) answered Monday with a > resounding "yes." I'm sorry, but I have a CB radio in my truck for a couple very good reasons[1], and if I lose my ability to use the radio just because a couple idiots drive the cellphone instead of their cars[2], I'm going to be very unhappy with it. As will most of the truck drivers.[3] And moblie ham radio operators, taxi services that use the things to call their cars, etc. etc. etc... The fun part will be watching the police enforce a CB ban, while continuing to use their two-way radios, which will either all have to be upgraded to handsfree models (Big $$$ there for the state/local governments) or removed. (They can't just ignore the law now, can they? ^_^ ) This is probably off-topic for the Digest, so responses should probably be via email. [1] Calling for directions when lost and out of my area, providing directions for lost people in my area, watching for construction/drunk drivers/other fun road hazards,shooting the breeze with the truck drivers... [2] "FLY THE AIRPLANE, NOT THE RADIO!" [3] I bet the police want CBs banned just because all the truckers tell the other truckers where the radar traps are. "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 09:14:01 -0400 From: goeke@space.mit.edu (Robert F. Goeke) Subject: Re: Do not call - PrivateHarbor.com In article , Monty Solomon writes: > One man's annoying telemarketing call is another man's business > opportunity. For $18.95 a year, Private Harbor Inc. > (privateharbor.com) of Doylestown, Pa., is promising dinnertime > solitude by placing customers on the do-not-call lists of more than > 1,500 telemarketers. Of course, one could go to http://www.private-citizen..com also, a group which also charges a modest amount and has been around a year or so. Now anti-spam is a growth industry. - -- Bob Goeke - -- Robert F. Goeke ** MIT Center for Space Research ** Room NE80-6099; 77 Massachusetts Ave ** Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 12:32:13 -0400 From: "Doug Reuben / www.interpage.net" Subject: AT&T Wireless sloppily starts CDPD in Poughkeepsie, NY About a week ago I noticed that all of a sudden there was CDPD on the A-side coverage in Poughkeepsie, NY. The A-system is Poughkeepsie, which is now owned by AT&T, used to be US Cellular who during their "stewardship" (abandonment?) of the 00503 market barely paid any attention to CDPD wireless data, not to mention less esoteric things such as coverage and integration with nationwide networks. (Indeed, even after last year's AT&T takeover, if you call an AT&TWS/Cell One Poughkeepsie customer and he/she does not answer, the call still supervises, and you are *billed* for the call! They have known about this for 4 years and have done nothing to fix it -- more long distance revenue for AT&T I guess, eh? :) And from the way things are going for them LD-wise, they need it! ) Anyhow, so I notice that there is CDPD coverage (and very good coverage in many areas, -60Db or so) in Poughkeepsie, along the Taconic State Parkway, up at Vassar, along NY-9D, etc., ie, areas where there was no CDPD coverage before. In general, the area seems to have been turned on for CDPD in the past few weeks and potentially more areas in that market will come online soon. This marks the beginning of the (by me at least) long awaited arrival of CDPD in the Mid-Hudson Valley despite the fact that BAMS has had these markets (except the Catskills/01516 system) for years and never bothered to add CDPD transmitters to their towers. The AT&T system in Poughkeepsie should fit in nicely with their CDPD systems for NY Metro (00025 analog) and their tiny and underdeveloped cellular and CDPD system in Litchfield County, CT (01101), which are adjacent to the Poughkeepsie market to the south and east, respectively. The CDPD channels used there differ from AT&T's NY Metro system, which are generally 670-686, and some low 700's sometimes pop up (but I get confused at the 700's since BAMS uses a lot of them). The CDPD channels used in Poughkeepsie stay strictly between 40 and 72, and most of the towers are either 40 or 42. However, every time we try to register on one of our AT&T IP's, were get a "registration denied", ie, AT&T is not letting us use the Poughkeepsie network. So seeing as how they had similar problems after they added Vanguard (Maine and Eastern PA, see my posts at http://www.wirelessnotes.org), I figured I'd call them last week and see if they could open a trouble ticket. So I call their Advanced Data Support Group (it's like 5 people it seems, you always talk to the same people!) and spoke to Jordan, who appears to work on weekends, at least in part. After going through the usual stuff (is you computer set to "A preferred"? I said "It's actually A only" so he says "Well, set it to preferred..." HUH? Where does AT&T have a B-side system? This begins to indicate the intellect of the help...:( ), he comes back and says "AT&T has no coverage in Poughkeepsie -- it's not our market" So I tell him "Ummm...so the SPNI I get is 3232, isn't that yours? And the A side in Poughkeepsie is owned by AT&T, so since CDPD runs off the analog network, WHO WOULD IT BE?"...fortunately, before he could answer, AT&T/Cell One's coverage cut out, and my phone was cut off [You see, there IS a reason AT&T's coverage is so pathetic there! :) ] so I gave up and said to myself "Whatever, when they turn it on they turn it on and that's that...I lived without it for a few years I'll manage a bit longer". Sad but true that AT&T's general attitude towards things like this has worn me down so that I just give up with them when I get the CDPD equivalent of the cellular customer service rep's favorite question "Is your phone powered on?" :) Later on that day, since I had some time while driving, I called the AT&TWS ATAC, and this guy Tom answers and sounds like I just woke him up, so I start asking him about the issue, but not to be disturbed from his sleep he interrupts and says "You need to get a trouble ticket to address this issue" (which perhaps is the proper procedure which is understandable) and then we get cut off yet again (on US-9 near NY-52) so I give up for the day. So later on during the week, one of our other AT&TWS IPs starts having problems around I-84, in an area which previously worked fine. As it turns out, the AT&T CDPD signal from NY Metro is weaker than the new Poughkeepsie system, so the laptop doesn't pick up the NY Metro channel 686 signal any more and instead latches on to the Poughkeepsie channel 40 signal but of course can't register. So now the issue is more serious -- we can not use service where we only recently have been able to and expect to be able to use it and where, according to AT&T's own Web-site CDPD ZIP code locator, we should be able to (Anyone want to get out of their CDPD contract with AT&TWS? Here's a good way to do it! :) ) So I have a generally incompetent person from our office call AT&T to get a trouble ticket and get the ball rolling (I figure let our incompetents deal with theirs, eh? :) ). So after our incompetent and clueless person (who after being told what CDPD is 4 times can't remember that it is a *wireless* technology calls AT&T long distance at (800) 222-0400! ) can't get anywhere, I call them up and tell them that this is a much larger problem now. So AT&T (rightfully) tells me I need to go to the market to test it, even if it is on a weekend which is when I am generally there. Anyhow, so this weekend, I try it out, and indeed, areas which were able to get CDPD coverage from AT&T's NY Metro Market a month ago are now being saturated with signal from the Poughkeepsie system, so much so that the Seirra Wireless cards and software only try to register on the Poughkeepsie system and not the NY Metro channels. Since we can't register on the Poughkeepsie system, we basically can't use AT&T's CDPD in areas where we used to be able to just fine -- and, this is a result of their OWN engineering failures, not some other carrier's barging in on their system. So we call them again and speak to "Leslie", who after listening to the problem asks about the RSSI (signal strength) and channels for a trouble ticket. When she is told the RSSI is sometimes -60Db, she says "Oh, then that can't be our system, it's never that strong" (Well, at least you are honest about the shortcomings of your service! But I've gotten much better than that with AT&T, around -50Db is some areas, and on BAMS in Atlantic City right on US-30 near a tower before the causeway got a -47Db signal just a few days ago, so I'm not sure what she is talking about...perhaps more of the usual "Customer Service knows more than you do" attitude you get so much of from them...) Anyhow, she proceeds to take a trouble ticket and says we will get called back, but so far no calls, and no answers. Basically, they are doing their usual runaround when it comes to an issue they can not immediately diagnose. All I want from them is some response like "Yes, we are putting in new service in Poughkeepsie, we know there is some interference, and it will allow you to register in three weeks so after then it shouldn't be a problem". Something like that would be fine -- we can wait three weeks, or if it will be longer, then let us roam on the BAMS coverage there for free without roaming charges. We're willing to be flexible and understand that it takes a while at times to set up a new system (although I have no idea why they won't let AT&T customers register on the Poughkeepsie system), but they are at this point just giving us a runaround and wasting our time with endless calls and trouble tickets which seem to get no where. AT&T, as well as a number of other carriers, is spending a lot of money to offer wireless data services, but if this is the sort of thing which (modestly) somewhat technically oriented people need to go through just to get an answer as to why their service isn't working I can imagine why somewhat less technically adept users would just give up on wireless data altogether... Coupled with the multitude of coverage problems, aforementioned service issues, and limited service value (see how AT&T has had to eat roaming charges for cellphone browsers and offer the service for free to a vast majority of their customers?), I regularly wonder why the carriers expect customers to flock to a suite of services which they time and time again demonstrate an utter inability to master and support. I'll post as soon as AT&TWS resolves this -- IF they do ;( - -Doug dsr1@interpage.net www.wirelessnotes.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 14:23:11 -0400 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #252, October 2, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 252: October 2, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ....................... http://www.attcanada.ca/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Rogers Promises Phone Service in 2001 ** RIM Revenue Jumps 57% ** Symphony Buys North American Gateway ** Telus Accused of Stalling Co-Location ** Comment Sought on Canadian Domain Rules ** Mitel to Resell MDR Software ** Bell and Banks Form Procurement E-Company ** NBTel Wins Innovation Award ** Feds Okay Use of Globalstar ** BCI Sells Brazilian Holdings ** FCC to Review Cable Internet ** ITU Standards Body Meeting in Montreal ** NBTel Small Business Bundle Approved ** Telus Feature Package Rejected ** Ericsson Teams With Wi-LAN ** Telus Unveils Toronto Portal ** Telecom Conferences and Seminars ============================================================ ROGERS PROMISES PHONE SERVICE IN 2001: Speaking in Toronto last week, Ted Rogers said that his organization would begin offering local phone service over cable lines by the end of next year. Peter Ciceri, former president of Compaq Canada, has been hired to head a new company, Rogers Telecom. ** On September 26, Rogers Communications announced a 5 cents/share dividend -- the first dividend it has paid in 20 years. RIM REVENUE JUMPS 57%: Research In Motion reports second- quarter revenues of $42.5 Million, up 57% from the previous quarter and 121% from last year's second quarter. However, the company lost $1.6 Million, after making a small profit in the first quarter. SYMPHONY BUYS NORTH AMERICAN GATEWAY: Toronto-based Symphony Telecom has agreed to buy 57% of overseas carrier North American Gateway for $28 Million in cash and shares. ** Symphony has also purchased 62% of Telmax Communications, a distributor of prepaid phone cards. COMMENT SOUGHT ON CANADIAN DOMAIN RULES: CIRA, the Canadian Internet Registration Authority, has begun a public consultation on procedures for resolving disputes about .ca domain names. Comments on the Draft Policy are due by October 29. http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/resolutionEN_2709.html TELUS ACCUSED OF STALLING CO-LOCATION: C1 Communications has asked the CRTC to order Telus to provide co-location services in Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver on dates already agreed to by Telus, and to make the order enforceable by the Federal Court. C-1 says that Telus has missed several deadlines already, undermining C-1's ability to roll out services. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/public/2000/8622/C74-03.htm ** Long distance carrier RSL Com has announced that it will provide high-speed Internet access to customers by reselling ADSL and SDSL services provided by C1 Communications. MITEL TO RESELL MDR SOFTWARE: Mitel Corporation's Communications Solutions organization will offer a private- label version of the Millennium Telemanagement software developed by MDR Telemanagement (Oakville, Ontario), to customers across North America. BELL AND BANKS FORM PROCUREMENT E-COMPANY: Bell Canada, BCE Emergis, Bank of Nova Scotia, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, and Mouvement Desjardins have joined to create Procuron Inc, a Web-based business-to-business purchasing company. (http://www.procuron.com) NBTEL WINS INNOVATION AWARD: At last week's Networld+Interop show in Atlanta, Inter@ctive Week gave NBTel its "Most Innovative Local Telephone Company" award for its pioneering work in offering video over phone lines. FEDS OKAY USE OF GLOBALSTAR: Public Works and Government Services Canada has granted a National Master Standing Offer to Globalstar. This means that federal government departments can purchase and use Globalstar mobile satellite telephones. BCI SELLS BRAZILIAN HOLDINGS: Bell Canada International has sold its telecom interests in Brazil for $1.3 Billion. The proceeds will be invested in a larger joint venture with Telefonos de Mexico and SBC Communications. FCC TO REVIEW CABLE INTERNET: The U.S. Federal Communications Commission has begun a proceeding to determine whether it should require cable TV companies to allow other Internet Service Providers to use their high-speed Internet access services. Unlike Canada's CRTC, the FCC has so far refused to mandate open access. http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Miscellaneous/Notices/2000/fcc00355.txt ITU STANDARDS BODY MEETING IN MONTREAL: The World Telecommunications Standardization Assembly, part of the International Telecommunication Union, is meeting in Montreal September 27-October 6 to discuss IP networks, mobile services, optical network infrastructure, and multimedia technologies. This is the first time the organization has met in North America. http://www.wtsa2000.org/ NBTEL SMALL BUSINESS BUNDLE APPROVED: The CRTC has given final approval to NBTel's Small Business Bundle, which provides Centrex access, three additional features, a toll- free number, 120 minutes of Canadian long distance, and reduced rates for U.S. and overseas calling for $48.95 per month. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/O2000-895.htm TELUS FEATURE PACKAGE REJECTED: The CRTC has denied a Telus proposal to bundle calling features and long distance because existing customers would be charged different rates than new ones. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/o2000-882.htm ERICSSON TEAMS WITH WI-LAN: Ericsson Canada and Wi-LAN Inc. have agreed to submit a joint bid to build Inukshuk Internet's wireless Internet infrastructure. TELUS UNVEILS TORONTO PORTAL: Telus has launched MyTO.com, a Toronto city guide, as its first Internet portal outside of BC and Alberta. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2000 15:52:51 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: re: Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial Could .arpa and 'owner' IANA/ICANN, usurp telecom infrastructure / jurisdiction etc.? >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:29:30 -0500 >To: e164-to-ip@lserv.vocaltec.com >From: Richard Shockey >Subject: Re: scope of the ENUM WB >I may be wrong but this proposal may raise some red flags in Geneva. >This clearly touches on their "space". Again this is >very very delicate area. >There are issues of capabilities, scaleability, integration...the >list is endless here. > >...we have a whole pot load of other issues to deal with such as >what is the effect of putting billions of numbers into the existing >DNS system? Security, authorization, number ownership and control. > Judith Judith Oppenheimer, +1 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://www.icbtollfree.com/testimny.cfm Register for FREE 800/Dot Com Headlines here: http://www.icbtollfree.com/reg.cfm?NextURL=Index.cfm RUN YOUR TEXT AD in ICB's HeadsUp News Emails 18,000+ weekly email readership, over 112,000 targeted email impressions every month! Space is limited - ORDER NOW! -- email editor@icbtollfree.com. - ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 2000 21:10:48 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial http://www.verisign.com/press/2000/enum.html David Wright Edelman Public Relations Worldwide Phone: 650.429.2738 E-mail: David Wright Telcordia And VeriSign Announce Agreement To Host Open Enum Trial Companies invite service providers, applications developers and vendors to participate in trial to simplify networked communications Herndon, VA, September 26, 2000 - The proliferation of multiple networked devices and media poses major challenges for rapid personal and business communications. Recognizing market demand for the simplicity of one telephone number to communicate with multiple devices - such as e-mail, fax machines, cell phones and pagers -- communications software and solutions provider Telcordia Technologies, Inc. and VeriSign, Inc. (Nasdaq:VRSN), the leading provider of Internet trust services, today announced an agreement under which Telcordia and the VeriSign Global Registry Services division will jointly develop an ENUM directory and an open system trial based on the proposed ENUM standard. The trial system will be housed on the VeriSign Domain Name System (DNS) infrastructure that handles more than one billion domain name queries per day. The proposed ENUM standard, currently being considered by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), provides a framework for a global numbering system to map telephone numbers to other service addresses over the Internet. ENUM-based services would allow one telephone number to serve as a single point of contact for numerous communication media, from telephone to e-mail and from wireline to wireless. "The trial will bring us significantly closer to implementing a real-world ENUM model for consumers and businesses alike," said Richard Orriss, vice president and general manager of the Service Business and Management Group at Telcordia. "With ENUM fully realized, the business card of the future could list a single universal address, to which people could direct a phone call, an e-mail, a fax, or other communications. The result -- more efficient, simplified communication anywhere, around the globe." As the full scope and potential of ENUM functionality and consumer use will ultimately be defined through the development of independent applications, the companies are inviting service providers, applications developers, and vendors to participate in the trial which is scheduled to begin in late Q4 2000. "The domain name system provides the ideal housing for the ENUM trial," said Bruce Chovnick, general manager of VeriSign Global Registry Services. "We recognize the potential for the convergence of telephony and Internet communications and are pleased to be working with Telcordia toward the practical integration of the two technologies." The Trial System The ENUM project is the focal point of the convergence of the public switched telephone network (PSTN) and the Internet. Telcordia and VeriSign Global Registry Services together bring proven leadership in both of these domains. Telcordia provides leading-edge service management systems globally to administer and update numbers for toll-free and local number portability services. Every toll-free call in the U.S. depends on Telcordia software, which has processed billions of toll-free calls without service interruption. This robust service management platform will be used to provide similar capabilities for the trial system. The trial system will operate on the DNS infrastructure maintained by VeriSign Global Registry Services that handles the translation for more than 19 million domain names on the Internet, responding to more than one billion queries per day. Using this infrastructure will help result in rapid resolution of number-to-address mapping. Additionally, VeriSign is uniquely positioned as the leader in Internet security, which will play a critical role in ENUM-based services. The trial, which will utilize a gateway through the ENUM resource site www.enumworld.com, will allow users to develop and exercise their applications for functionality and compatibility with the ENUM standard. To learn more about how to participate in the trial, system developers and service providers can visit www.enumworld.com or e-mail information@enumworld.com. About VeriSign VeriSign, Inc. (Nasdaq:VRSN) is the leading provider of trusted infrastructure services to Web sites, enterprises, electronic commerce service providers and individuals. The company's domain name, digital certificate and payment services provide the critical web identity, authentication and transaction infrastructure that online businesses need to conduct secure e-commerce and communications. VeriSign's services are available through its websites (www.verisign.com and www.netsol.com) or through its direct sales force and reseller partners around the world. About VeriSign Global Registry Services VeriSign Global Registry Services (a division of Network Solutions, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of VeriSign, Inc.) is the leading provider of Internet locator services. VeriSign Global Registry Services maintains the definitive directory of over 19 million web addresses and is responsible for the infrastructure that propagates this information throughout the Internet and responds to over 1.5 billion DNS look-ups daily. As the exclusive provider of registry services to .com, .net, and .org, VeriSign Global Registry currently supports 66 active ICANN accredited registrars operating in 17 countries around the globe. For more information, see the www.verisign-grs.com web site. About Telcordia Technologies, Inc. Telcordia Technologies, Inc., an SAIC company, is one of the world's largest providers of operations support systems, network software and consulting and engineering services to the telecommunications industry. The Telcordia software organization, comprised of Operations Support Systems and Service and Business Management Systems, has been ISO 9001-certified and has been assessed at Level 5, the highest level of the Capability Maturity ModelŇ, an industry standard for measuring software development processes that was developed by the Software Engineering Institute at Carnegie Mellon University. A leader in the development of Next Generation Network technologies, Telcordia employs more than 6,500 professionals and has revenues of more than $1.5 billion. Telcordia (www.telcordia.com) is headquartered in Morristown, New Jersey, US with offices throughout the United States, Europe, Central and South America and Asia Pacific. All rights reserved. VeriSign is a registered trademark of VeriSign, Inc. Statements in this announcement other than historical data and information constitute forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those stated or implied by such forward-looking statements. The potential risks and uncertainties include, among others, potential volatility in VeriSign's stock price, uncertainty of Internet privatization, increased competition in the domain name registration business including price competition, customer acceptance of new products and services offered by the company in addition to or as enhancements of its registration services, risks associated with the company's international business, uncertainty of future revenue and profitability and fluctuations in its quarterly operating results. More information about potential factors that could affect the company's business and financial results is included in VeriSign's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, especially in the company's Registration Statement on Form S-4 filed on April 12, 2000, as amended, Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 1999 and Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the period ended June 30, 2000. ### All rights reserved. VeriSign is a registered trademark exclusively licensed to VeriSign, Inc. VeriSign OnSite is a service mark of VeriSign, Inc. All other trademarks are properties of their respective owners. - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - ------------------------------ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:26:04 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/2/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - DOT EU: ADD A LITTLE LANGUAGE, AND WALLA! - CODE GRANTED - - DOT KIDS APPLIES FOR KID-SAFE gTLD - - ICANN ELECTIONS UNDERWAY - - .UNION gTLD PROPOSED TO ICANN - - ICANN DNSO WARNS AGAINST DOMAIN 'SCAMS' - - SINGAPORE DOMAIN DISPUTE ENDS IN SETTLEMENT - - DOT ONE - - DOT ONE APPLICATION - - TLD APPLICATION PROCESS: ACT II - - NET2PHONE SUES C&W - - AND AWAY WE GO ... ************************************************************************* !!! 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Find all ICB headlines, current and archived, at http://www.icbtollfree.com/icbheadlns.cfm. ************************************************************************ ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: F = Free - News and Features articles P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for October 2, 2000 F - DOT EU: ADD A LITTLE LANGUAGE, AND WALLA! - CODE GRANTED Last week's ICANN resolution, "It is therefore RESOLVED [00.74] that the IANA staff is advised that alpha-2 codes not on the ISO 3166-1 list are delegable as ccTLDs only in cases where the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency, on its exceptional reservation list, has issued a reservation of the code that covers any application of ISO 3166-1 that needs a coded representation in the name of the country, territory, or area involved;" ... is astonishingly meaningless to the casual reader, but it is effectively ICANN giving IANA permission to delegate the .EU top-level domain. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4578 F - DOT KIDS APPLIES FOR KID-SAFE gTLD "Our application describes how .KIDS will ensure registrants and Web-site owners alike know and obey the laws governing interaction with children on the Internet. With a `.kids' domain, content creators can be assured their sites reside amid a haven of safe, engaging and child-friendly Web site. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4572s." F - ICANN ELECTIONS UNDERWAY The Commerce Department's contract with ICANN gives that organization the power to make policy regarding the root server. In turn, ICANN accredits registrars only after they sign legal contracts binding them to obey future ICANN rulings. When you register a domain name, you agree to abide by ICANN, too. Years ago, nations created the Law of the Sea to govern valuable ocean resources. Similarly, ICANN is now creating a "Law of the Internet" via its contracts. As a result, the Internet is acquiring the legal status of a sovereign nation with its own laws and customs. Unfortunately, the Internet is a new nation that lacks a Bill of Rights. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4577 F - .UNION gTLD PROPOSED TO ICANN A group of over 20 national and international trade union organizations contributed to the preparation of the proposal. The group included the AFL-CIO (USA), ACTU (Australia), COSATU (South Africa), RENGO (Japan), DGB (Germany), TUC (UK), Union Network International (representing unions in the information and service sectors), and Public Services International (representing public sector workers' unions). CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4576 F - ICANN DNSO WARNS AGAINST DOMAIN 'SCAMS' However, it fails to account for active registries like .web, fully operational since 1996 and preceding ICANN's existence by over two years. (ICANN was formed in October, 1998.) Despite denial of access into the A-Root server first by Network Solutions and then ICANN, .web has acquired over 18,000 web registrations in the last five years. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4575 F - SINGAPORE DOMAIN DISPUTE ENDS IN SETTLEMENT Computer shop Video-Pro agreed to pay website operator Hardware Zone $10,000 to transfer the address. 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Global industry leaders - representing the Far East, Middle East, Europe and North America -- already have sent letters in support of Group One Registry's application. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4579 F - DOT ONE APPLICATION One company's stab at what it takes to run a tld registry -- and more importantly, what it takes to win a tld registry. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4583 P - TLD APPLICATION PROCESS: ACT II "ICANN has designed a fair, equitable, and open process for evaluating applications for new TLDs. ICANN Board members have recently received a stream of e-mail comments concerning applications. ... Private comments sent directly to Board members and the staff are neither appropriate nor helpful in this process because they do not support ICANN's commitment to openness and transparency." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4582 F - NET2PHONE SUES C&W Cable & Wireless will continue to block access to Web sites that offer the "call-back" services, general manager Tim Adam said recently. He didn't say how many services are now blocked. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4581 P - AND AWAY WE GO ... Because only 5 of the board's 24 seats will be filled with new faces, and because half of the candidates for those seats have been nominated by current board members, naysayers see no reason to hope for a changed ICANN. 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Tue Oct 03 07:55:19 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20001003101509.16076.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #75 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: a87159903a7ba46ecc1ccb4774c605d7 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, October 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 075 In this issue: Commerce Department Announces Winner of Global Information Security Competition Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Oct 2000 21:49:00 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Commerce Department Announces Winner of Global Information Security Competition http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/g00-176.htm Commerce Department Announces Winner of Global Information Security Competition * News Release * AES: Questions and Answers * Comments About the AES from Industry and Government Executives * Statement from Rijndael Developers * Biography of Rijndael Developer Joan Daemen * Biography of Rijndael Developer Vincent Rijmen * Remarks at AES Press Conference by Dr. Cheryl Shavers, Under Secretary of Commerce for Technology * Remarks at AES Press Conference by Ray Kammer, NIST Director * Go to the AES web site Commerce Department Announces Winner of Global Information Security Competition FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Oct. 2, 2000 Contact: Philip Bulman (301) 975-5661 G 2000-176 A worldwide competition to develop a new encryption technique that can be used to protect computerized information ended today when Secretary of Commerce Norman Y. Mineta announced the nation's proposed new Advanced Encryption Standard. Mineta named the Rijndael (pronounced Rhine-doll) data encryption formula as the winner of a three-year competition involving some of the world's leading cryptographers. "Once final, this standard will serve as a critical computer security tool supporting the rapid growth of electronic commerce," Mineta said. "This is a very significant step toward creating a more secure digital economy. It will allow e-commerce and e-government to flourish safely, creating new opportunities for all Americans," he said. Computer scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, an agency of the Commerce Department's Technology Administration, organized the international competition in a drive to develop a strong information encryption formula to protect sensitive information in federal computer systems. Many businesses are expected to use the AES as well. The proposed selection of Rijndael as the AES will be formally announced in the Federal Register in several months, and NIST then will receive public comments on the draft Federal Information Processing Standard for 90 days. Researchers from 12 different countries worked on developing advanced encoding methods during the global competition. NIST invited the worldwide cryptographic community to "attack" the encryption formulas in an effort to break the codes. After narrowing the field down from 15 formulas to five, NIST invited cryptographers to intensify their attacks on the finalists. The agency and the world cryptographic community also evaluated the encoding formulas for factors such as security, speed and versatility. The Rijndael developers are Belgian cryptographers Joan Daemen (pronounced Yo'-ahn Dah'-mun) of Proton World International and Vincent Rijmen (pronounced Rye'-mun) of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven. Both are highly regarded experts within the international cryptographic community. NIST organized and managed the competition with considerable private-sector cooperation. The competing AES candidates were sophisticated mathematical formulas called algorithms. Algorithms are at the heart of computerized encryption systems, which encode everything from electronic mail to the secret personal identification numbers, or PINs, that people use with bank teller machines. When approved, the AES will be a public algorithm designed to protect sensitive government information well into the 21st century. It will replace the aging Data Encryption Standard, which NIST adopted in 1977 as a Federal Information Processing Standard used by federal agencies to protect sensitive, unclassified information. DES and a variant called Triple DES are used widely in the private sector as well, especially in the financial services industry. The effort to establish the AES reflects the dramatic transformation that cryptography has undergone in recent years. Just a few decades ago the science of cryptography was an esoteric endeavor employed primarily by governments to protect state and military secrets. Today, millions of Americans use cryptography, often without knowing it. Most people who use automated teller machines have used cryptography because the secret PINs required by the machines are encrypted before being sent to a computer that makes sure the number matches the card. Others use information encryption when they make a purchase over the Internet. Their credit card numbers are encrypted when they place an order. Hundreds of encryption products currently employ DES or Triple DES, and such systems have become almost ubiquitous in the financial services industry. Consequently, the selection of the AES may affect millions of consumers and businesses. NIST requested proposals for the AES on Sept. 12, 1997, and a variety of organizations around the world responded with enthusiasm. Each of the candidate algorithms was required to support key sizes of 128, 192 and 256 bits. For a 128-bit key size, there are approximately 340,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000 (340 followed by 36 zeros) possible keys. NIST evaluated the candidate algorithms and received invaluable assistance from cryptographers at computer security companies and universities around the world. Good security was the primary quality required of the winning formula, but factors such as speed and versatility across a variety of computer platforms also were considered. In other words, the algorithms must be able to run securely and efficiently on large computers, desktop computers and even small devices such as smart cards. NIST and leading cryptographers from around the world found that all five finalist algorithms had a very high degree of security. Rijndael was selected because it had the best combination of security, performance, efficiency, implementability and flexibility. The AES competition was organized by computer scientists in NIST's Information Technology Laboratory. A lengthy technical analysis of the AES candidates is being posted on NIST's web site today at www.nist.gov/aes. After the public comment period, NIST will revise the proposed standard-if appropriate-and submit it to the Secretary of Commerce for adoption as an official federal standard. This process is expected to be complete by the spring of 2001. Press contacts for the Rijndael team: Joan Daemen Tel: +32 2 724 55 08, Fax: +32 2 727 62 50 daemen.j@pwi.be Vincent Rijmen Tel: +32 16 32 18 62, Fax: +32 16 32 19 86 vincent.rijmen@esat.kuleuven.ac.be As a non-regulatory agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce's Technology Administration, NIST strengthens the U.S. economy and improves the quality of life by working with industry to develop and apply technology, measurements and standards through four partnerships: the Measurement and Standards Laboratories, the Advanced Technology Program, the Manufacturing Extension Partnership and the Baldrige National Quality Program. - - 30 - For more information about NIST, see our web site at www.ta.nist.gov. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 01:13:01 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! The yahoo.com address was supplied by the FBI in written materials, and confirmed by telephone with the FBI staff responsible for processing CALEA implementation plans, after folks at my law firm were just a bit incredulous. We got written confirmations from the FBI for the filings submitted via yahoo.com, identical to those received for hand-delivered filings. STRANGE BUT TRUE. - -- Michael D. Sullivan avogadro@bellatlantic.net Bethesda, MD, USA "John McHarry" wrote in message news:qbedts4rkrhgahqp219defd69ks9d3odrt@4ax.com... > On 29 Sep 2000 03:46:24 -0400, "Michael D. Sullivan" > wrote: > > .... > >This FBI ineptness with regard to privacy and security isn't surprising. > >When the FBI "invited" telecom carriers to reveal highly sensitive > >information regarding their switches, etc., in connection with CALEA > >compliance earlier this year, the Feds asked that the information be emailed > >to a free account at yahoo.com. Believe it or not, it's true. > > Well, _somebody_ may have "invited" them. I doubt the FBI uses > Yahoo accounts for something like that. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #75 ******************************* From ???@??? Wed Oct 04 07:55:38 2000 Date: 4 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001004101510.16519.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #76 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 9f76bc1b43dd9659f8e9f891b1a5a1f9 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, October 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 076 In this issue: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Time Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: Time Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Re: Time Web-based email services offer employees little privacy Question about prepaid Int'l calling cards 10/3/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES AOL Wants to 'Opt Out' Net Patent Bill Introduced Fiber Optical Assembly Sampling Tellme Nets $125 Million Investment DoCoMo and AOL to Join in Japan DoCoMo to Push i-mode Into Europe Exodus to Buy GlobalCenter for $6.5 Billion E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Is Global Crossing the Anna Nicole Smith of Telcos? Another Shakeup at T-Online Verizon Wireless Digital Single Rate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Oct 2000 10:04:44 -0400 From: black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served In article <8r3k2v$8tu$1@cesium.transmeta.com>, hpa@zytor.com says... > >They claim "opt-in", but I have gotten spammed by a number of >companies which claim "opt-in" which really aren't -- in fact, one of >the worst offenders have been the Microsoft "Freedom to Innovate" >network, which has been spamming me with propaganda broadcasts for >many months. The first few times I dutifully used their removal >webpage, but it never has any effect -- despite the claim that it will >remove you from all Micro$oft mailing lists. > >Anyone that know of any identifying mark these guys use that one can >use to bounce their mail? I too had trouble removing my name from Microsoft mailing lists despite numerous requests. It was most effective when I changed my e-mail address to bill_gates@microsoft.com. Haven't received any spam since. matthew - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 13:23:49 -0400 From: John Beaderstadt Subject: Time Following is a note I posted to rec.astro.amateur; they suggested I post it here. > I've set my computer to call in to the Naval Observatory atomic clock > for periodic adjustments of my computer's system clock; from this, I set > all the clocks in my house (and car). My Caller ID boxes and fax, > though, display the time as dictated by the phone company, and there is > usually a four-minute difference between computer and phone. > > Astronomically, four minutes is a pretty big discrepancy, yet most > people seem to set their own clocks by phone time. The thought occurs to > me that, in navigation, an error of four minutes could represent a > positional error of four nautical miles; at sea, the horizon is only > *three* nautical miles away (depending on the height of the observer). A > four-minute error, then, could mean that something important could go > entirely unnoticed by a wide margin. (Yes, I know there is no AT&T on > the ocean, I'm just thinking). > > From where does the phone company get its time? Does anyone here use > phone time for their astronomy? From where does your boss get his time, > so he knows whether you're late to work? - -- "I tried to imagine the easiest way God could have done it." --Albert Einstein 44:57:19N 73:16:18W - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 15:55:24 -0400 From: craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Daniel Seagraves writes: >I'm sorry, but I have a CB radio in my truck for a couple very good >reasons[1], and if I lose my ability to use the radio just because a >couple idiots drive the cellphone instead of their cars[2], I'm going to >be very unhappy with it. And, rightfully so. I don't have either a CB or a mobile phone and have no vested interest either way, except as a motorist. Here in Australia, where mobile phone use is far more widespread than in the USA, using a hand-held one was banned years ago, and, I believe, rightfully so. The main thing I've seen with hand-held phones is that most people simply can't make sharp right-angle turns properly while holding one. Talking to passengers doesn't matter in this situation. Talking on the CB could, but the CB mic is easy to hang up while still listening to the CB. There is often nowhere convenient for a driver to put a hand-held phone, and they can't hear what the other party is saying once they have. I must say that waiting for more death statistics as one person suggested seems wrong to me. Most driving where this matters doesn't happen at high speeds and won't kill anyone anyhow. It does, however, cause minor crashes and inconvenience enormous numbers of drivers, as phone-using drivers wander all over lanes at extremely low speed while chatting. Ideally, they should simply be booked for not being in control of their vehicle, but police everywhere have the same problem that any judgement such as that will be argued in court. Banning hand-held phones makes it far simpler in the real world for the cops to act against idiots. - -- Craig Macbride - -----------------------http://www.nyx.net/~cmacbrid------------------------ "It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 16:45:13 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Followup to: <970557910.330918@irys.nyx.net> By author: craigm@earthling.net (Craig Macbride) In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > The main thing I've seen with hand-held phones is that most people simply > can't make sharp right-angle turns properly while holding one. Talking to > passengers doesn't matter in this situation. Talking on the CB could, > but the CB mic is easy to hang up while still listening to the CB. There > is often nowhere convenient for a driver to put a hand-held phone, and they > can't hear what the other party is saying once they have. > I agree with your assessment about handheld phones, but it does make me wonder if there is a difference between North America and the rest of the world, since North America seems to have a much higher percentage of vehicles with automatic transmissions. Driving with a handheld phone in a stickshift seems like a suicide waiting to happen, IMO... -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 17:08:27 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws >>From 'H. Peter Anvin': >Driving with a handheld phone in a stickshift seems like a suicide >waiting to happen, IMO... Eh? I do it every day. You don't normally need to shift once you're at cruising speed. The amount of time I spend shifting gears is miniscule compared to the amount of time I spend piloting the car to its destination. - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 19:29:51 -0400 From: Jonathan Seder Subject: Re: Time >> ... a four-minute difference between computer and phone. This was discussed here a while ago - maybe around March 21 of this year. There are several precise time standards - the (U.S.) National Institute of Standards and Technology runs WWV which in turn drives most Internet (RFC 868) time standards. Astronomers use WWV time, I believe, with adjustments. The GPS satellites also have their own, slightly offset standard. The various phone companies have precise time standards for clocking their various synchronous communications systems. Even though precise standards are readily available, the phone company's voice time service may very well be set casually from an employee's wristwatch. The time-of-day on a cell phone might be highly accurate or might be casually set... If you have 'Net access, an RFC868 time program is the easiest way to get a very accurate time. NIST runs a couple of servers but you should look for a nearby one with low latency. The best time standard is a short-wave radio (for WWV) or a clock that syncs itself to WWV. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 20:19:33 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! That is extremely weird. Did you call them at a published number? This sounds far too much like a Trojan Horse. They don't seem to post any email addresses on their home page, so maybe FBI prohibits email communication and somebody inside is trying to bypass that. But other parts of DOJ have email addresses. Something is afoot. On 3 Oct 2000 01:13:01 -0400, "Michael D. Sullivan" wrote: >The yahoo.com address was supplied by the FBI in written materials, and >confirmed by telephone with the FBI staff responsible for processing CALEA >implementation plans, after folks at my law firm were just a bit >incredulous. We got written confirmations from the FBI for the filings >submitted via yahoo.com, identical to those received for hand-delivered >filings. STRANGE BUT TRUE. > >-- >Michael D. Sullivan >avogadro@bellatlantic.net >Bethesda, MD, USA >"John McHarry" wrote in message >news:qbedts4rkrhgahqp219defd69ks9d3odrt@4ax.com... >> On 29 Sep 2000 03:46:24 -0400, "Michael D. Sullivan" >> wrote: >> >> .... >> >This FBI ineptness with regard to privacy and security isn't surprising. >> >When the FBI "invited" telecom carriers to reveal highly sensitive >> >information regarding their switches, etc., in connection with CALEA >> >compliance earlier this year, the Feds asked that the information be >emailed >> >to a free account at yahoo.com. Believe it or not, it's true. >> >> Well, _somebody_ may have "invited" them. I doubt the FBI uses >> Yahoo accounts for something like that. >> -- >> The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >> messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 20:57:44 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Time On 3 Oct 2000 19:29:51 -0400, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: >wristwatch. The time-of-day on a cell phone might be highly accurate or >might be casually set... On CDMA (Verizon, Sprint, etc.) phones, the time is sent by the network and synced to the GPS time standard, as CDMA uses GPS for precision timing (GPS receivers are installed at each CDMA base station.) With other types of phones, the time isn't sent by the network but is programmed by the user. - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 22:07:33 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web-based email services offer employees little privacy Web-based email services offer employees little privacy By Rachel Konrad and Sam Ames Staff Writers, CNET News.com October 3, 2000, 1:30 p.m. PT Everyone knows the boss can read all of the email you send and receive through your corporate account. Unfortunately, security experts say many employees would be surprised to know that Web-based email services also offer little privacy. Messages sent via a Yahoo or Hotmail account, or through instant messaging products, such as ICQ or America Online's Instant Messenger (AIM), are just as accessible to nosy employers. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-2924978.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 22:13:38 -0400 From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) Subject: Question about prepaid Int'l calling cards (I feel like spam bait bait, but here goes) A friend is about to relocate from the USA to Belgium as an Army spouse. It occured to me that a pre-paid calling card that would let her make lots of calls back to the USA would be a useful going-away gift. I'm looking for a card with a fair per-minute rate that I can get quickly. Any suggestions ? Also, does do US Army people assigned overseas get some deal that makes a calling card not a good deal. Thanks. (A pox, in the form of a PC virus, on any MLM spammer that responded with a BS marketing scheme. ) - -- Al Dykes - ----------- adykes@panix.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:13:15 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/3/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - ICANN: NEXUS OF DIVERSE AMBITIONS, guest editorial by Ted Byfield - - TLD GAMBIT: AUCTION FOR MOST STRINGENT TM PROTECTION? - - WHITE PAPER ON gTLD REGISTRY BEST PRACTICES - - IPC WANTS A PIECE OF TLD APPROVAL PROCESS - - THE ORIGINAL .WEB FILES ITS ICANN TLD APP - - ICANN CAN'T EVEN GET ELECTION RIGHT - - ICANN TAKE ON NEW TLD APPS: $2.2 MILLION ************************************************************************* !!! 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Find all ICB headlines, current and archived, at http://www.icbtollfree.com/icbheadlns.cfm. ************************************************************************ ARTICLE ACCESS CODE LEGEND ICB Toll Free News offers two valuable service options: F = Free - News and Features articles P = Premium - Unlimited Site Access including all Articles and Documents. ************************************************************************ FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK F - ICANN: NEXUS OF DIVERSE AMBITIONS In effect, if (when) ICANN delegates chartered TLDs it will be creating mini-ICANNs, and the debates that take place surrounding the actions of chartered registries will be pretty much identical to those surrounding the actions and status of ICANN. Guest Editorial by Ted Byfield READ IT HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4587 ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for October 3, 2000 F - TLD GAMBIT: AUCTION FOR MOST STRINGENT TM PROTECTION? The Afilias consortium is proposing a 'sunrise' period for current trademark owners, giving them the chance to register the new TLDs before they are offered to the general public. ICANN chose not to direct applicants with regard to trademark protection, so that it could not be accused of extending trademark protection way beyond any existing laws. Instead applicants were asked to explain how they would address the 'problem.' This appears to have been the tactic chosen after the IPC's own Sunrise Proposal was met with such strong opposition. This way, the applicants will propose sunrise, so it will appear to be bottom-up consensus: instant proactive trademark protection for dictionary terms, despite the fact there is no basis for any of this in law. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4590 P - WHITE PAPER ON gTLD REGISTRY BEST PRACTICES ... by Network Solutions, part of the Afilias clan, which perhaps explains why NSI's Roger Cochetti distributed it to ICANN's Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC). CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4588 P - IPC WANTS A PIECE OF TLD APPROVAL PROCESS ... even though their "list of safeguards" includes at least one demand that could violate ICANN standards as "a threat to the stable operation of the registration system." 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4589 F - ICANN CAN'T EVEN GET ELECTION RIGHT ICANN's voting process, which is run by election.com, is fraught with technical problems. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4584 P - ICANN TAKE ON NEW TLD APPS: $2.2 MILLION Many applications ask for more than one TLD. Paul Garin's Name.Space asks for the most. There are several non-commercial TLD applications, and several applications that compete for the same TLD's. Popular TLD strings are .biz (5), .kids (4), .tel (4), .inc (3), .nom (2) and .web (3). There is one .union application, and one .museum application. The .co-op and .coop proposal is by the Cooperative League of the USA. Novell is seeking .dir. Nokia is seeking eight TLD's, including .mobile. The Association Monegasque des Banques is seeking .fin. The Société Internationale de Télécommunications Aéronautiques is seeking .air. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 00:00:45 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AOL Wants to 'Opt Out' AOL Wants to 'Opt Out' America Online tells a Senate panel discussing privacy bills that it's a better world if laws that allow consumers to decide whether data can be collected about them online don't exist. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39240,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 00:01:56 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Net Patent Bill Introduced Net Patent Bill Introduced A couple of Democratic congressmen, responding to controversy and contention over the way patents are and aren't distributed for high-technology innovations, introduce the Business Method Patent Improvement Act. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:19:53 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Tellme Nets $125 Million Investment Tellme Nets $125 Million Investment By Ben Hammer The voice-activated service provider says it will use the money to build a global network. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19060,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:22:02 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DoCoMo and AOL to Join in Japan DoCoMo and AOL to Join in Japan By Michele M. Yamada The cellular carrier would buy a 42.3 percent stake in AOL Japan, in a deal to integrate services. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18888,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:22:25 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DoCoMo to Push i-mode Into Europe DoCoMo to Push i-mode Into Europe By Michele M. Yamada Japan's wireless leader plans a U.K. subsidiary and a research venture in Germany. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18994,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:22:54 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Exodus to Buy GlobalCenter for $6.5 Billion Exodus to Buy GlobalCenter for $6.5 Billion By George A. Chidi Jr. The deal would combine two of the world's largest providers of Internet hosting services. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18949,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:23:54 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served By Ben Hammer 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the number of messages it sends out. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:24:31 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Is Global Crossing the Anna Nicole Smith of Telcos? Is Global Crossing the Anna Nicole Smith of Telcos? http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18954,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:25:58 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Another Shakeup at T-Online Another Shakeup at T-Online Europe's biggest ISP loses another board member, the 3rd high-level defection in a month due to squabbling with Deutsche Telekom. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18907,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 03:16:35 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Wireless Digital Single Rate Verizon's First Integrated Offer Will Stimulate Voice and Web Access Anytime, Anywhere Phone Customers Get Free Web Access from Both Home and Wireless Phones With Wireless Digital Single RateSM Purchase October 2, 2000 NEW YORK -- With its first integrated consumer service offer, Verizon has linked the two hottest technologies - digital wireless service and the Internet -- in a promotional package designed to let its local residential customers in 21 states and the District of Columbia experience the "anything, anytime, anywhere" nature of modern communications. Between now and November 30, residential customers of many Verizon local telephone companies who purchase any Verizon digital calling plan worth $29.95 per month, or renew an existing plan from Verizon Wireless will receive free home Internet service and free Mobile Web access through Memorial Day. http://www.ba.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=43388 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #76 ******************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 05 06:06:41 2000 Date: 5 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001005101510.15173.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #77 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 618697553a9394ae6933cc4cc7ed77d2 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, October 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 077 In this issue: Re: Time Suffolk Bans Driving and Talking Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws 10/4/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding AT&T Considers Long-Distance Spinoff Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Oct 2000 08:17:47 -0400 From: Dave Tweed Subject: Re: Time Jonathan Seder wrote: > This was discussed here a while ago - maybe around March 21 of this > year. There are several precise time standards - the (U.S.) National > Institute of Standards and Technology runs WWV which in turn drives most > Internet (RFC 868) time standards. Astronomers use WWV time, I believe, > with adjustments. > > The GPS satellites also have their own, slightly offset standard. There's a short summary of the various time standards at http://www.chipcenter.com/circuitcellar/august00/ancil/c0800eqa8.htm;?PRINT=true and a much more in-depth discussion at http://sciastro.astronomy.net/sci.astro.3.FAQ WWV, CHU, and most other radio time standards transmit UTC. - -- Dave Tweed - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:45:32 -0400 From: "monty solomon" Subject: Suffolk Bans Driving and Talking Suffolk Bans Driving and Talking RIVERHEAD, N.Y. -- Suffolk County, home of the Hamptons and other playgrounds of the wealthy, has voted to ban drivers from using handheld cellular phones. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39251,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 14:54:13 -0400 From: sicherman@lucent.com (He Comes As No Surprise) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In , ahk@chinet.chinet.com wrote: > > hpa@zytor.com wrote: > > > Listening to the radio? > > That's supposed to keep you more alert. Not necessarily. A year or two ago I read a report of an insurance study in which drivers with the radio on had about 10% more accidents. This doesn't prove that the radio causes accidents. Maybe the drivers who see driving as a "fun" activity are more likely to have the radio on. It might help more to ban T.V. commercials for cars. Without them, more drivers might recognize that driving is mundane, difficult, and dangerous. - -:- "Now take the man who drives a Studebaker, smokes Old Golds, uses cream-based hair oil, an electric shaver, carries a Parker 51 fountain pen. Obviously he's a salesman, an active man, aggressive in face-to-face situations and wants to make a good impression. Probably he was quite a romantic type in his youth." And the other psychologist added: "Also, you'll find that he is wearing loud shorts." --Vance Packard, _The Hidden Persuaders_ - -- Col. G. L. Sicherman work: sicherman@lucent.com home: colonel@mail.monmouth.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:56:08 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/4/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************ ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS EDITOR'S MUST-READ SELECTION: - - U.S. GOV USES ICANN TO ROUTE AROUND THE APA AND THE CONSTITUTION - - FCC LEERY OF LONG DISTANCE SPIN-OFFS - - CALIFORNIA GOV SIGNS BILL FOR APP-SPECIFIC AREA CODES - - VENDOR SELECTION CRITERIA FOR DEALER LOCATOR APPS, PART II - - BROWN OF NOSE, CRANED OF NECK, DOT WS PUCKERS UP TO TM BOOTY - - AT&T BOARD MULLS LD SPINOFF; SITS OUT TLD OPPORTUNITY - - IF YOU CAN MAKE IT HERE ... 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ICB houses a veritable cornucopia of information -- explore all that ICB offers -- visit our Site Mat at http://www.icbtollfree.com/sitemap.cfm. ************************************************************************ EDITOR'S MUST-READ SELECTION: F - U.S. GOV USES ICANN TO ROUTE AROUND THE APA AND THE CONSTITUTION If the U.S. Government is laundering its policy making through ICANN, it violates the Administrative Procedures Act (APA); if ICANN is in fact independent, then the federal government's decision to have ICANN management a public resource of such importance, and to allow - indeed, require - it to enforce regulatory conditions on users of that resource, violates the non-delegation doctrine of the U.S. Constitution. READ IT HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4591 ************************************************************************ HEADLINES for October 4, 2000 F - FCC LEERY OF LONG DISTANCE SPIN-OFFS AT&T Corp. is contemplating separating out its consumer long-distance business, according to sources. Additionally, WorldCom is considering separating its consumer long-distance business, either creating a tracking stock or even a new company. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4598 F - CALIFORNIA GOV SIGNS BILL FOR APP-SPECIFIC AREA CODES But first, the Federal Communications Commission - which bars technology overlays because it deems them as discriminatory against wireless providers - - must either grant California's petition to allow such overlays or issue a broad ruling that would lift the prohibition in all states. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 22:12:28 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding Summary PalmOS offers a built-in Security application, which is used for the legitimate user to protect and hide records from unauthorized users by means of a password. In all basic built-in applications (Address, Date Book, Memo Pad, and To Do List), individual records can be marked as "Private" and will only be accessible if the correct password is entered. It is possible to obtain an encoded form of the password, determine the actual password due to a weak, reversible encoding scheme, and access a users private data. In order for this attack to be successful, the attacker must have physical access to the target Palm device. The threat of physical attacks internal to a company is very real and this advisory makes the point that security is not limited to the network/internet arena. The private records often contain passwords, financial data, and company confidential information. @stake's experience with physical audits has revealed that most users of Palm or other portable devices do not realize that their private information could possibly be accessed by unauthorized users. http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/PalmOS_Password_Retrieval_and_Decoding.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 22:16:25 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T Considers Long-Distance Spinoff AT&T considers long-distance spinoff By The Associated Press Special to CNET News.com October 3, 2000, 10:50 p.m. PT NEW YORK--The board of directors at AT&T reportedly is in favor of spinning off the company's struggling consumer long-distance business to shareholders rather than selling outright what was once a core unit of the telecommunications giant. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-2927667.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2000 22:29:34 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge Wednesday, October 04, 2000 By Dan Whitcomb LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Remember those black rotary telephones the phone company used to make you rent back in the 1980s because you were not allowed to buy them? Guess what? You may still be renting that phone whether you know it or not, whether it still exists or not and whether you want to or not. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/TopNews/article.asp?docid=RTNEWS-TELECOMS-VERIZON-DC&date=20001004 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 00:48:09 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Carnivore Review Team Exposed! Now that I went back and checked, the yahoo.com email address was not published. It was provided by the FBI Calea Implementation Section staff by phone, when contacted at an official number (probably the number in the Flexible Deployment Plan guide). Methinks some staff member got frustrated at not being able to get a public fbi.gov email account that could be given out for the FDP filings and signed up for a free yahoo.com account without official authorization. Whether the yahoo.com account was obtained through official channels or in this informal way, it indicates the casual attitude of the FBI toward *real* security. - -- Michael D. Sullivan avogadro@bellatlantic.net Bethesda, MD, USA "John McHarry" wrote in message news:k9skts4sjhqv3jt9vrlh41d10fumdrmo8b@4ax.com... > That is extremely weird. Did you call them at a published number? > This sounds far too much like a Trojan Horse. > > They don't seem to post any email addresses on their home page, so > maybe FBI prohibits email communication and somebody inside is trying > to bypass that. But other parts of DOJ have email addresses. > Something is afoot. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #77 ******************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 05 22:39:26 2000 Date: 5 Oct 2000 22:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20001006022238.11124.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #78 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 442de79456e63e2c95d8a23c7aec780d Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, October 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 078 In this issue: Telephone Glitch on West Wing RE: Telecom Digest V2000 #77 Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Palm device security Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Re: Fwd: Re: E-Mail this story? Re: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws Re: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? (No...) Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? (No...) Overlay cutover Re: Newhalem, Washington state Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge Vodafone Moves to Grab a Place in China's Cell-Phone Market Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge NEC AD-40/Repartee CTI Fax Issues 1984 Showcase AT&T telephone from the LA Olympics Re: NEC AD-40/Repartee CTI Fax Issues Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge Re: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding 10/5/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:05:25 -0400 From: davidesan@my-deja.com Subject: Telephone Glitch on West Wing [I don't think that I am revealing any details in the premiere of West Wing, but if you are really want to watch the show, stop now.] In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. I must add that my wife was annoyed that I interupted the flow of the show to point this out. - -- David Esan InformationView Solutions david.esan@informationview.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:27:10 -0400 From: "Green, Andrew" Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2000 #77 > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Remember those black rotary telephones > the phone company used to make you rent back in the 1980s because > you were not allowed to buy them? > > Guess what? You may still be renting that phone whether you know > it or not, whether it still exists or not and whether you want to > or not. > > http://news.lycos.com/headlines/TopNews/article.asp?docid=RTNEWS-TELECOMS-VE RIZON-DC&date=20001004 Perhaps I'm just extra cranky this morning, but I have a hard time seeing where the righteous indignation is supposed to come from. Quoting from the article here: > Jonathan Davies, a spokesman for Verizon, confirmed that the > company still bills customers for the rotary phones, a charge > that can continue for years even if the "rent" on the phone > far exceeds the cost of the instrument. Well, duh. This is what "rent" is, an agreement to pay for usage, not an installment purchase plan for the price of the tool. > Davies said that "rent" is charged to the customers indefinitely, > until the rotary phone is returned to Verizon. [...] Dan Stormer, > the lawyer for the irate customers, said, "The phone company has > continued charging people as if they still had these phones "Hello, phone company? I've thrown out that old phone I was renting from you; can I stop sending you money for it now?" "Hello, National Car Rental? I've misplaced your Buick somewhere during a recent move; can I stop sending you money for it now?" The prices are vastly different, but the principle is the same. > and they've hidden the cost in something called 'equipment > rental' on the bill." Hmm, yes, they disguise the equipment rental fee by labeling it as "equipment rental." > "This is absolutely outrageous. Seniors and poor people who > have been getting bilked for years." No, that should read "...people who pay their phone bill without reading it..." I don't dispute the relative value of the instrument vs. the time and cost spent renting it, but rental is rental. You don't get to keep your apartment just because you've lived in it for 30 years, either. - -- Andrew C. Green Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:41:12 -0400 From: stheri01@emerald.tufts.edu (Seth Theriault) Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing In article <8ri1qi$323$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: >In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years >ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The >payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did >not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. That was actually the _first_ full "Verizon" payphone I have seen in NYC. Most of the ones I pass are still flying the BA colors, although they do thank you for "using a Verizon payphone" when you make a call. Some even have a more serious identity crisis in that they have NYNEX/New York Telephone chassis, BA instructions, and Verizon thank-you messages. Seth - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:49:07 -0400 From: Claire Pieterek Subject: Palm device security As a follow-up to Monty Solomon's submission about PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding: PalmOS's built-in Security application does little more than hide selected data from display on the Palm device (read Pilot, PalmPilot, Palm, Handspring, Clie, TRGPro, etc.). The real security problem happens when the Palm device is synced to a computer--the "secure" information is readily accessible there. More people probably have access to a Palm user's PC or laptop than the Palm device itself, since most people don't secure their PCs. My advice: use products like Certicom's Secure Memo Pad, ReadThis!, LinkeSoft's Secret and Secret Desktop, et al. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 11:13:19 -0400 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing davidesan@my-deja.com writes: > >In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years >ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The >payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did >not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. It wasn't likely a glitch. It was probably^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H likely intentional Product Placement, such as the AT&T (or was it Bell?) in the movie 2001. Shifting slightly out of the telecom realm, in the recent "series" Big Brother on the same network as West Wing (CBS) you could observe the reverse of Product Placement occuring... the removing of any name recognition not paid for. The water bottles had a BigBro sticker attached where the brand would have been. One houseguest brought along a water filter which could have been attached to the sink faucet but was not allowed to use it since it's appearance was brand recognizable. The Rice Crispys cereal box had the brand name Kelloggs blocked off. OTOH, the "Sony" on some of the cameras got serious airplay, as did the "Trinitron Dance" over the 32" flat screen Sony in the house. The Ikea furniture fortunately was not labeled (except in the credits) as any discussion on the show was about the cheap furniture breaking... and I suspect that Pabst may have paid a good amount for placement of their product uncensored. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 12:56:12 -0400 From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing In article , stheri01@emerald.tufts.edu (Seth Theriault) wrote: > In article <8ri1qi$323$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: > > >In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years > >ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The > >payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did > >not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. > > That was actually the _first_ full "Verizon" payphone I have seen in NYC. > Most of the ones I pass are still flying the BA colors, although they do > thank you for "using a Verizon payphone" when you make a call. Some even > have a more serious identity crisis in that they have NYNEX/New York > Telephone chassis, BA instructions, and Verizon thank-you messages. > > Seth > -- A couple of points: 1. Was it a WORKING payphone or just a prop put where the TV crew needed a payhone? 2. Was it REALLY New York? - -Hudson - -- http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 13:29:23 -0400 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing In accordance with the prophecy, davidesan@my-deja.com wrote: > In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years > ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The > payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did > not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. That's OK...Martin Sheen isn't really the president either. - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:02:16 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: E-Mail this story? In article <20000816211005.3075.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com>, Mike Pollock wrote: >> From: hilda cosmo >> Mr. Pollock, >> ... Posting the NYTimes article in a >> newsgroup for the purpose of discussion is >> permitted. ... >> >> Mass distribution or posting requires permission. You are permitted to do it, but only if you don't do it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:02:19 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >Book, Memo Pad, and To Do List), individual records can be marked as >"Private" and will only be accessible if the correct password is entered. This is not quite correct. When I first got my PalmIII, I evaluated several FAX programs. One of them would quite happily fax out a "private" memo even when private data was supposedly locked. When I asked about this, I was told that "private" is a voluntary setting. There is no real record locking to prevent anything running on the Palm from seeing other app's "private" data. Conforming apps honor the flag. >It is possible to obtain an encoded form of the password, determine >the actual password due to a weak, reversible encoding scheme, and access >a users private data. It doesn't take anywhere near this amount of effort. If you have access to the device, which is required for this attack, simply plug it into a UNIX system running any of the pilot interface applications and dump the entire memory onto the disk. Then browse private data at your leisure. Or, as someone else mentioned, simply break into the PC that the user is syncing his Palm to. All the files are there, too. As I recall, the Palm desktop doesn't ask for a password before showing private data, although since I learned how insecure the Palm is, I don't have private data and haven't tried it recently. The solution is to use one of the free encryption memo-pads. I don't know if the encryption is easily breakable, but it is better than the privacy the Palm comes with. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:02:17 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Verizon Backs No-Call Drive Laws In article , Adam H. Kerman wrote: >Hands on the wheel, sure, but what does concentration on the road have to do >with whether or not the car phone is hands free? You are still reacting to >something that is being said and thinking about what to say in reply. The same thing happens when I listen to the radio and when I have passengers. Will we next outlaw more than one person in a vehicle? Will we change all the HOV lanes into SOV? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:02:18 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >It is possible to obtain an encoded form of the password, determine >the actual password due to a weak, reversible encoding scheme, and access >a users private data. When I first discovered the lack of security in Palm "private" records, it was because a FAX program I was evaluating would happily fax out a "private" memo, even when the private data was locked. The explanation was that "private" is a voluntary system; conforming Palm apps honor it. This FAX app did not, although I understand that it has been fixed. It does not take decoding any password to get the data. Simply plug the device into a Unix system and run freely available pilot interface software to dump the entire Palm, then read the data at one's leisure. The solution is to use one of the several free encryption programs that actually encrypt the data on the Palm and don't just rely on everyone following the honor code not to look. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:02:28 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing In <8S0D5.7694$wx5.256099@news2.giganews.com>, tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) wrote: }davidesan@my-deja.com writes: }> }>In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years }>ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The }>payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did }>not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. } }It wasn't likely a glitch. It was probably^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H likely }intentional Product Placement, such as the AT&T (or was it Bell?) in }the movie 2001. It was AT&T AND Bell, as in '68 they were one and the same. Putting up a recognizable logo that might well exist in the future is one thing; putting up a recognizable logo that is well known not to have existed in the past is another story. If this was deliberate, it was an egregious win for marketing over content. I noticed it too; the corporate people at Verizon have just began a large effort at rebranding all their equipment in August. So I was amazed at the thought that they had got so far as to have switched over enough phone booths in NYC to have (accidentally?) got one on this show (it did look like a city location, I thought). We did get the feeling as if the photographer had noticed and shifted the frame to the right so as to make the logo less visible as the scene progressed. If I had any responsibility for the creative content of that show I'd be pretty embarrassed about it. To place on the show, almost immediately after a "three years ago" title, a logo which was created just this summer amidst great publicity (even more than Verizon wanted, because of the strike), was pretty jarring, and plain silly. If they wanted to get the logo on screen it would have been easy enough to put some pay phones in the hospital, say. Then again, as someone else pointed out, Martin Sheen isn't president either. /JBL (speaking, as usual, only for himself) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:10:43 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? (No...) On 30 Sep 2000 12:48:58 -0400, "Graham" wrote: >>From information gathered and explained below, here are some possible new >names for the new company being formed by the wireless segments of BellSouth >and SBC: > > PEOPLECLIP > DIRECTPATH > UPRING > INDIGO WIRELESS > CINGULAR > COMOTION > DIRECT PATH It's Cingular, after all. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/001005/4.html and of course http://www.cingular.com/ which has links to the various BellSouth and SBC wireless properties. - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ .... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 14:10:47 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: BellSouth + SBC = PEOPLECLIP ? (No...) On 30 Sep 2000 12:48:58 -0400, "Graham" wrote: >>From information gathered and explained below, here are some possible new >names for the new company being formed by the wireless segments of BellSouth >and SBC: > > PEOPLECLIP > DIRECTPATH > UPRING > INDIGO WIRELESS > CINGULAR > COMOTION > DIRECT PATH It's Cingular, after all. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/001005/4.html and of course http://www.cingular.com/ which has links to the various BellSouth and SBC wireless properties. - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 15:27:46 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Overlay cutover We just cutover to mandatory 10 digit dialing in here in 503/971. And beside the usual media stupidity about "enabling 10 digit dialing", I'm seeming problems blamed on "cutting everything over overnight". Complete with claims that "analysts" had told the paper other areas had cut other some other way. I don't recall hearing about anything like that elsewhere, unless they are talking about the places where the end of the permissive period was different for wireline and wireless. Anybody have better info? - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 15:28:06 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: Newhalem, Washington state Carl Moore writes: > In 206 area before 360 existed, I notice 397 prefix with place name > of NEWHALEM. I suspect that the town was absorbed by a larger one nearby. Here are the currently active 397 exchanges in Washington: NPA-NXX Company RateCenter 253-397 INTERNATIONAL TELCOM, LTD. - WA AUBURN 360-397 ELECTRIC LIGHTWAVE, INC. - WASHINGTON VANCOUVER 425-397 GTE NORTHWEST INCORPORATED - WA EVERETT 509-397 US WEST COMMUNICATIONS - PACIFIC NWEST BELL COLFAX Obviously, the 360 and 509 numbers aren't it. So that leaves Auburn and Everett as the possible towns that have absorbed Newhalem. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 15:42:35 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge 4 Oct 2000 22:29:34 -0400 Monty Solomon wrote: >Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge > >Wednesday, October 04, 2000 > >By Dan Whitcomb > >LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Remember those black rotary telephones the >phone company used to make you rent back in the 1980s because you >were not allowed to buy them? > >Guess what? You may still be renting that phone whether you know it >or not, whether it still exists or not and whether you want to or not. I'm sorry, but this at best is a frivolous lawsuit. Forgetfulness is not an excuse for sueing a vendor. If you see a charge on your bill and you don't know what the charge is it is *your* responsibility to find out what this charge is for. Verizon and AT&T (who received the equipment after the breakup of Bell in '84) did just what they were allowed to do. Just because the people at the time decided that they'd keep their phone either because they were satisfied with what they had or for whatever reason it is no excuse 25 years later to be all of a sudden surprised that they have this addition to their telephone expense. Just as a comment on the actual phones, there's probably the likelihood if they indeed do have the old phones that those phones are still working. They may have thrown out 2 or 3 phones that they purchased at the local K-mart since then. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 15:59:12 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Vodafone Moves to Grab a Place in China's Cell-Phone Market Vodafone Moves to Grab a Place in China's Cell-Phone Market HONG KONG - Vodafone, the world's largest mobile phone company, announced an alliance Wednesday with the largest cell-phone operator in China, moving to tap a potentially vast market as it prepares to join the global economy. http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/THU/FPAGE/mobile.2.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 16:03:46 -0400 From: murray@pa.dec.com (Hal Murray) Subject: Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge > Just as a comment on the actual > phones, there's probably the likelihood if they indeed do have the old > phones that those phones are still working. Mine works fine. I'm still using it. Many years ago, when the rules changed, Pac Bell offered to sell my my phone. It was only a few dollars. I accepted and they mailed me a sticker to put on the bottom next to the "Bell System Property" stamped in the base. - -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employers. I hate spam. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 17:39:19 -0400 From: bill@primenet.com (William Petrisko) Subject: NEC AD-40/Repartee CTI Fax Issues We installed a NEC AD-40 (relabeled Repartee CTI 7.48) voicemail/faxmail system, and are having the following issues that both NEC and Repartee tell us are impossible to change: - - Voicemail does not require a password. Users can have a voicemail box with no password, and there is no way to either force users to set a password or disable boxes without passwords. Major security flaw. - - Incoming fax greeting can't be disabled. All incoming faxes are greeted with "Fax for , I will transfer you to the fax machine now..." Faxing callers/machines get confused at this when they are just expecting a plain old fax tone. We thought about finding those two voice prompts and recording silence over them, but how can you also get rid of the name prompt recording? - - Viewmail/viewfax reports when all fax ports are busy to the individual users -- can't be disabled. Users complain that they aren't getting their faxes because we don't have enough ports. - - Viewmail/viewfax reports "fax failed" when someone calls their fax DID and hangs up -- can't be disabled. Users complain that faxes are failing, when someone misdials into their fax DID. - - Lack of fax port reports. No way to tell actual usage on fax ports, busy times, busy reports, etc. Our NEC dealer, NEC tech support and Active Voice tech support have been totally cluless on how to disable the above "features." It is getting to the point that the executives in the company are ready to throw out the whole system because they think it is "broken." If anyone has any ideas on these things, or knows someone at AV or NEC with a clue on these things, please let me know. thanks bill - -- bill - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 19:32:37 -0400 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: 1984 Showcase AT&T telephone from the LA Olympics Any telephone collectors interested in this AT&T phone that was made for the olympics? It works just fine, though used. Comes with both the1984 Dancing Rings symble of the 84 games and the events cover, plus some docs. The handset court is the one that came with it, but the line cord is now a white one, it apears to have been replaced. If you are interested please reply to applelite2@aol.com, this posting account is blocked because of SOB Spammers. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. http://www.delphi.com/gbbs The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 19:52:00 -0400 From: bill@primenet.com (William Petrisko) Subject: Re: NEC AD-40/Repartee CTI Fax Issues bill@primenet.com (William Petrisko) writes: >- Incoming fax greeting can't be disabled. All incoming faxes are > greeted with "Fax for , I will transfer you to the > fax machine now..." Faxing callers/machines get confused at this > when they are just expecting a plain old fax tone. We thought about > finding those two voice prompts and recording silence over them, but > how can you also get rid of the name prompt recording? Found workaround: Blow away system prompts FB001, FB013, then in expanded options in each user mailbox, record silence over the "fax greeting." Ugly, but workable. bill - -- bill - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 21:00:47 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge On 5 Oct 2000 15:42:35 -0400, Joseph Singer wrote: >4 Oct 2000 22:29:34 -0400 Monty Solomon wrote: > >>Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge >> >>Wednesday, October 04, 2000 >> >>By Dan Whitcomb >> >>LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Remember those black rotary telephones the >>phone company used to make you rent back in the 1980s because you >>were not allowed to buy them? >> >>Guess what? You may still be renting that phone whether you know it >>or not, whether it still exists or not and whether you want to or not. > >I'm sorry, but this at best is a frivolous lawsuit. Forgetfulness is not >an excuse for sueing a vendor. If you see a charge on your bill and you >don't know what the charge is it is *your* responsibility to find out what >this charge is for. Verizon and AT&T (who received the equipment after the >breakup of Bell in '84) did just what they were allowed to do... Well, reading the article, AT&T isn't to blame for this one. It is the part of Veri-zon that used to be GTE. Whatever, it looks like a big monopoly taking advantage of old, poor, and uneducated people who can't follow the intricacies of a technical necessity. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 21:19:00 -0400 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: Calif. Residents Sue Verizon Over 'Secret' Charge << Well, reading the article, AT&T isn't to blame for this one. It is the part of Veri-zon that used to be GTE. Whatever, it looks like a big monopoly taking advantage of old, poor, and uneducated people who can't follow the intricacies of a technical necessity. - -- >> It is an old issue. The whole thing started several months ago when the son of an older woman was looking into her bills while she was in the hospital. He saw the charge for the phone and could not figure it out. It was an old dial phone that from what I remember was from the 60's. When GTE was contacted about this, they removed charges back sometime, then gave her the telephone. They also said at the time they were going to look into other cases and in fact several years ago they did contact the customers who had been renting the telephone for years, wanting to know if they knew they were still renting. A side note is the phone were owned and serviced through GTel., which for years handled non regulated equipment and ran the phone stores. When rules changed they were brought back into the fold of the local GTE operating companies. What it looks like is many people who had service for years just continued not thinking of what the cost was, or maybe just not interested. I worked for GTE and when deregulation hit, any employee in GTE service areas, were given ownership of the phones in place, and others who lived in other companies service areas where given up to 3 phones, which is what I took. By then most of my phones were my own, with the exception of a wall phone in the kitchen and a really old space saver which PacBell just let me have. I'm not saying GTE or any of the others companies were right in continuing to charge, but until I said something to my parents they were renting an old 500 from AT&T. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. http://www.delphi.com/gbbs The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2000 22:19:06 -0400 From: Larry Finch Subject: Re: PalmOS Password Retrieval and Decoding John Stanley wrote: > In article , > Monty Solomon wrote: > >It is possible to obtain an encoded form of the password, determine > >the actual password due to a weak, reversible encoding scheme, and access > >a users private data. > > When I first discovered the lack of security in Palm "private" records, > it was because a FAX program I was evaluating would happily fax out a > "private" memo, even when the private data was locked. The explanation > was that "private" is a voluntary system; conforming Palm apps honor > it. This FAX app did not, although I understand that it has been fixed. > > It does not take decoding any password to get the data. Simply plug the > device into a Unix system and run freely available pilot interface > software to dump the entire Palm, then read the data at one's leisure. > It doesn't even take Unix. After hotsyncing on a PC or Mac, just open the supposedly private data file with Notepad or any other editor. Your privates will all be hanging out for anyone to read. > > The solution is to use one of the several free encryption programs that > actually encrypt the data on the Palm and don't just rely on everyone > following the honor code not to look. Agreed. - -- Larry Finch ::finches@bellatlantic.net larry@prolifics.com ::LarryFinch@aol.com (whew!) N 40° 53' 47" W 74° 03' 56" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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The public has until October 29, 2000 to comment on the Draft ADR Policy. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4602 P - UDRP RULING: FAN SITES HAVE LIMITED PROTECTION A dispute over bridgetjones.com has yielded some important comments on the protection afforded by non-commercial use, such as fan sites, in an ICANN dispute. In this case, the arbitrator found that while fan sites might enjoy some protection, this one didn't as it wasn't yet active. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4601 P - TELLME GETS $125 MILLION Tellme, one of the biggest of a group of companies that has launched this year offering Web information and services over standard phone lines, has already received $60 million from AT&T, who plans to integrate the voice portal's products into its business services. The burgeoning industry is proving popular among investors recently; America Online recently purchased Tellme's competitor Quack.com. 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Sat Oct 07 13:01:13 2000 Date: 7 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001007101510.3995.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #79 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: ca9be10c112359c1d5c21ddc18428a93 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, October 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 079 In this issue: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Re: Newhalem, Washington state Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing CFP ACM MobiCom 2001 FTC in court against Integretal and porn sites.. deception... Marc... Court Blocks Web Sex Scammers Verizon's First Integrated Offer Will Stimulate Voice and Web Access Anytime, Anywhere Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Oct 2000 09:49:18 -0400 From: davidesan@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing I realized that this was a product placement and that Verizon had paid good money to have its logo in place on the phone booth in this show. (I also realize that Martin Sheen is not president.) I simply wanted to point out that there was a continuity glitch in the show. Its like seeing a jet plane in the sky during a movie set in the 1890s, the Volkswagen that appears in Ben Hur, or even (IIRC) that Shakespeare referenced a pocket watch in ancient Rome in "Julius Caesar". Many years ago we noted that the phones in one of the Die Hard movies, which were supposed to be in Washington DC were labeled with the PacBell label, which was also wrong. Some shows celebrate their continuity glitches -- take a look at the Nash Bridges web site. - -- David Esan InformationView Solutions david.esan@informationview.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2000 14:23:35 -0400 From: El Jefe Subject: Re: Newhalem, Washington state On 5 Oct 2000, Leonard Erickson wrote: > Carl Moore writes: > > > In 206 area before 360 existed, I notice 397 prefix with place name > > of NEWHALEM. > > I suspect that the town was absorbed by a larger one nearby. Here are > the currently active 397 exchanges in Washington: Presently, phone service in Newhalem is provided by part of the Seattle City Light PBX, with 206-286 numbers. That town is not served by any regular phone company such as Verizon or Qwest (formerly GTE and US West). I'm not sure if or when a 397 prefix was ever used there. In January 1995, right before 360 split away from 206, 206-397 was in Everett (now 425-397). - -Jeff - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2000 17:27:11 -0400 From: Dave Stern Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing davidesan@my-deja.com wrote: > > I realized that this was a product placement and that Verizon had paid > good money to have its logo in place on the phone booth in this show. > (I also realize that Martin Sheen is not president.) > > I simply wanted to point out that there was a continuity glitch in the > show. Its like seeing a jet plane in the sky during a movie set in the > 1890s, the Volkswagen that appears in Ben Hur, or even (IIRC) that > Shakespeare referenced a pocket watch in ancient Rome in "Julius > Caesar". Many years ago we noted that the phones in one of the Die Actually a clock striking. Act II Scene I. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2000 17:29:47 -0400 From: dawn@eecs.wsu.edu Subject: CFP ACM MobiCom 2001 Enclosed below please find a Preliminary Announcement and Call for Papers for the 7th Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking (MobiCom) to be held in Rome, Italy from July 16-21, 2001. As you might already know, MobiCom has an established reputation as the pre-eminent conference in this area owing to the exceptionally high quality of papers, excellent tutorials and workshops, and stimulating panels conducted by mobile computing illuminati of various stripes. For complete information about the upcoming conference, please visit: http://www.research.ibm.com/mobicom2001/ We apologize if you received multiple copies of this Call for Papers. Please feel free to distribute it to those who might be interested. Very truly yours, ACM SIGMOBILE MobiCom 2001 Organizing Committee *********************************************************************** Preliminary Announcement and Call for Papers *** ACM MobiCom 2001 *** The Seventh Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking July 16-21, Rome, Italy Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE http://www.research.ibm.com/mobicom2001/ http://www.acm.org/sigmobile/ Submission Deadline: January 12, 2001 *********************************************************************** PAPERS: Technical papers (maximum 15 pages) describing original, previously unpublished, completed research, not currently under review by another conference or journal, are solicited on the following topics: * Applications and computing services supporting mobile users * Architectures, protocols, and algorithms to cope with mobility, limited bandwidth, or intermittent connectivity * Database and data management issues in mobile computing * Performance of mobile/wireless networks and systems * Security and privacy of mobile/wireless systems * Interaction between different layers of mobile/wireless systems * Integration and interworking of wired and wireless networks * Adaptive applications and systems for mobile environments * Distributed-system aspects of mobile systems * Operating system support for mobility * Location-dependent applications * Wireless multimedia systems * Power management * Mobile agents * Pervasive computing * Wireless sensor networks * Wireless/mobile service management and delivery All papers will be refereed by the program committee. Accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings. Papers of particular merit will be proposed for publication in the ACM/Baltzer Wireless Networks (WINET) and Mobile Networks and Applications (MONET) journals. CHALLENGES SESSION, PANELS, RESEARCH DEMOS, TUTORIALS: Short papers (maximum of 8 pages) that challenge the mobile computing community with new technologies or visionary applications are solicited. Such papers should provide stimulating ideas or visions that may open up exciting avenues of mobile computing research. Proposals are solicited for panels that examine innovative, controversial, or otherwise provocative issues of interest. Proposals for tutorials are solicited. Tutorial topics that encompass the systems aspects of mobile computing and/or practical experiences in building/deploying such systems are of particular interest. Informal proposals for research demos are solicited. Proposals should include: the focus area in mobility, the technologies involved, specific equipment used, demo layout, space required, etc. Please refer to the conference website for submission and other details. IMPORTANT DATES: * Technical Paper Submissions due: January 12, 2001 - Please refer to the website for submission instructions * Notification of acceptance: May 1, 2001 * Camera-ready version due: May 15, 2001 * Challenges Session Papers, Panel Proposals, Tutorial Proposals Submissions due: January 12, 2001 - Please refer to the website for submission instructions FOR MORE INFORMATION: Send email to mobicom2001@winlab.rutgers.edu with any questions or comments about the conference or for more information. ORGANIZING COMMITTEE: * General Chair: * Tutorials Co-Chairs: Christopher Rose Ravi Jain Rutgers University, WINLAB Telcordia Technologies * General Vice Chair: Chiara Petrioli Politecnico di Milano Sergio Palazzo Universita` di Catania * Panels Chair: * Program Co-Chairs: Ramesh Rao Univ. of California, San Diego Mahmoud Naghshineh IBM T.J. Watson Research Center * Local Arrangement Chair: Michele Zorzi Marco Listanti Universita` di Ferrara Universita` di Roma "La Sapienza" * Finance Chair: * Exhibits Chair: David B. Johnson Marco Ajmone Marsan Rice University Politecnico di Torino * Publicity Co-Chairs: * Research Demos Chair: Stefano Basagni Nigel Davies Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lancaster University Krishna Sivalingam * Steering Committee Chair: Washington State University Imrich Chlamtac Univ. of Texas at Dallas * ACM Program Director: Lisette Burgos (ACM) *********************************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2000 21:38:00 -0400 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: FTC in court against Integretal and porn sites.. deception... http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/10/verity.htm We're all familiar with the porn web site trick where they get your computer to "dial" out (using your modem and phone line) to their high cost international phone number. The US's Federal Trade Commission has previously filed various fraud actions against these companies, and in most (but certainly not all..) cases, the local telco or the long distance carrier has accepted a charge-off. On 05-Oct-2000 the FTC filed another series of actions, this time against "Verity International, Ltd" [1], its officers, AND, most tellingly, against the IXC involved, "Integretal". [1] NOTE: Verity International, Ltd. is in no way affiliated with Verity, Inc., of Sunnyvale, California. (from the FTC page) (It's not entirely clear to me from the complaint description whether the call is routed through Integretal through the use of a 101-XXXX code or whether they acted as a billing agent.. see below) A key cause of action is the interception of these calls before they reached their (supposed) destination. Although the calls were dialed using a Madagascar phone prefix, they were offloaded in England. Which would have led to a typical rate of $0.10 or so/minute rather than the $3.99... To quote a bit from the complaint: (first, the part I don't quite understand about Integretal's role): 15. When a consumer uses the Verity dialing program to access a vendor's web site, a system known as Automatic Number Identification ("ANI") is used to capture the telephone number from which the call is being placed, and to identify the line subscriber associated with that number. Defendants send the line subscriber the bill for the call, regardless of whether the line subscriber actually placed the call and accessed the web site, or authorized anyone else to place the call and access the web site. And now, the 'diversion" cause of action: COUNT THREE 29. In numerous instances, defendants directly or through an intermediary cause charges for long distance calls to Madagascar, at a rate of $3.99 per minute, to appear on billing statements of line subscribers whose computer modems and telephone lines were purportedly used to access Internet web sites. 30. In truth and in fact, the calls that the line subscribers' modem dials when using the defendants' international dialing program do not terminate in Madagascar, but instead terminate in other foreign countries that have comparatively much lower long distance rates for calls from the United States. 31. Therefore, the defendants' practice of causing charges for long distance calls to Madagascar to appear on the billing statements of line subscribers whose computer modems were purportedly used to access Internet web sites, as set forth in paragraph 29 above, is deceptive, in violation of SectionJ5 of the FTC Act, 15JU.S.C. $J45. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2000 22:13:09 -0400 From: goodwood Subject: Marc... I've been lurking and reading your posts for the past 2 years... I live in Baton Rouge and was an old phreak in the 80's... not that old.. haha.. anyways, I have nothing to do with that stuff anymore.. I have another problem.. Have you ever heard of Sprint PCS being unable to connect calls to other cellular companies? If someone with Sprint PCS dials my cell 225-268-xxxx in BR from outside of Baton Rouge, it gives them an unable to connect... If they are in Baton Rouge.. it works... Where is the problem at? As far as Louisiana goes.. I am amazed at the phone quality problems here. I grew up in California and everything went ESS there before I started messing with phone systems. I had an Apple ][ and was doing all sorts of nasty stuff.. When I moved to Texas 4 years ago, i suddenly started to hear pops and chrips when I was calling long distance... It brought back a lot of memories. Louisiana was even worse, until the last year or so.. I would go to Cut Off and dial out to my computer to do a remote order and my machine would trunk the line and send it to a reorder..... haha... It was frustating sometimes... I hung a tandem up in Baton Rouge or I think I did a year or two ago... I couldn't dial out for an hour... anyways... it's getting better.. Brian - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 2000 23:31:02 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Court Blocks Web Sex Scammers Court Blocks Web Sex Scammers WASHINGTON -- A U.S. court has pulled the plug on two British citizens who allegedly cashed in improperly on remote dialing to sexually explicit "adult" websites, U.S. officials said on Thursday. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39298,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 2000 01:33:56 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon's First Integrated Offer Will Stimulate Voice and Web Access Anytime, Anywhere http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=43388 Verizon's First Integrated Offer Will Stimulate Voice and Web Access Anytime, Anywhere Phone Customers Get Free Web Access from Both Home and Wireless Phones With Wireless Digital Single RateSM Purchase October 2, 2000 Media contact: Jim Smith, 212-395-7746 Brenda Boyd Raney, 908-306-4834 NEW YORK -- With its first integrated consumer service offer, Verizon has linked the two hottest technologies - digital wireless service and the Internet -- in a promotional package designed to let its local residential customers in 21 states and the District of Columbia experience the "anything, anytime, anywhere" nature of modern communications. Between now and November 30, residential customers of many Verizon local telephone companies who purchase any Verizon digital calling plan worth $29.95 per month, or renew an existing plan from Verizon Wireless will receive free home Internet service and free Mobile Web access through Memorial Day. "This is the first time a major telecommunications company has placed in the hands of the consumer the passkey to true universal communication - access to people and information, messages and connections, from any resource, whether at home or on the road," said Jody Bilney, president of Verizon's consumer group. "The way this offer augments our feature-rich home service makes it, truly, 'a great new offer from a great new company." "This package is an invitation for telephone customers to join a growing community of people who use Verizon Wireless products, especially Mobile Web, to simplify their lives," said Debra Carroll, vice -president marketing for Verizon Wireless. "It is an opportunity for customers to personalize the technology revolution by exploring the new services and learning how the technology can work for them. Simply put, it is an opportunity to 'join in'." "Verizon can bring the benefits of these tools to far more people with this kind of bundle," Bilney said. "For example, if a parent on the way to a soccer match one Saturday morning can't find the other team's soccer field, they can get directions using their Mobile Web to access an Internet map. If they get a business inspiration while watching the game, they can fire off an e-mail message. When they get home, they can check the other teams' scores on a local league Web site and print out the standings for the players. Everything comes together with services like these." The offer will be made via TV, radio, print, point of purchase and Internet advertising as well as targeted direct mail and bill inserts to most customers of former Bell Atlantic and GTE telephone companies in the targeted markets. Areas where dial-up home access to Verizon Online Internet service is not yet available or where digital wireless Internet service is still being implemented are excluded, but may be eligible for other promotion features. Customers of Verizon Select Services, the company's Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC) also are not eligible. To participate in the program, Verizon customers must purchase any of Verizon Wireless' digital rate plans at a minimum of $29.95 monthly access. If they choose to purchase a national Single Rate plan, they also need to have or purchase a tri-mode (digital and Internet capable) phone. As part of the promotion, the regular $6.95 Mobile Web access fee will be waived through May 31, 2001, and Verizon Online dial up home Internet access fees of $19.95 per month (which includes a $2.00 Global Service Provider charge) also will be waived through May 31, 2001. Mobile Web access air time will be charged against the calling plan's monthly allowance and will be billed at per minute rates applicable to each plan, once air time allowances have been exhausted and will include 100 message alerts per month. Additional alerts are 10 cents. Nationwide Single Rate wireless calling plans offer coast-to-coast coverage with no roaming or long distance charges. Plans include call management features like Caller ID, voice messaging, Call Waiting, Three-Way Calling, Call Forwarding (where available) message waiting indicator and no answer/busy transfer. Depending upon the plan, monthly access fees range between $35 and $200 for 150 to 2,000 minutes of airtime per month. Per minute charges after the call allowance is exhausted vary depending upon the plan. There is a $25 activation fee and a one or two-year contract. Mobile Web links the user to a wide range of Web-based services including e-mail, news, finance, sports, information services, specialty web sites, any text-only web site and a personal organizer featuring contacts, a calendar and to-do lists. The Verizon Online home Internet services vary slightly by area, but include 150 hours of free Internet access per month, 24-hour live help desk service, an online help center, personalized start pages and e-mail services and other features. This program's offer of free Internet access service without requiring detailed personal information or inserting intrusive advertising during Internet sessions is expected to be popular with customers. The offer also demonstrates the way Verizon's industry-leading wireless and wireline networks complement each other in support of customers. The offer is available at more than 200 Verizon Wireless retail outlets, at nearly 1,700 Verizon Wireless sales agencies, and toll-free over the phone from Verizon Wireless sales representatives. Orders also can also be placed at 83 Verizon Phone Marts or over the Internet at www.verizon.com/freeweboffer. [This offer will be available in all or parts of the following states: California, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and Virginia, as well as the District of Columbia.] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 2000 01:38:21 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/06/1737248&mode=nested Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash posted by cosmo on Friday October 06, @12:31PM from the canooks-for-cash dept. Canada's privacy commissioner recently released a study showing that "almost half of Canadians are perfectly comfortable with retailers compiling personal data...if there's a reward paid to the consumer." Canucks seem to sense what some Americans just haven't figured out yet: Sticks and stones may break our bones, but a little corporate marketing won't hurt us. Privacy activists, apparently worried that they'll be left without a cause if the so-called problem isn't understood properly, have been posting like mad to a CBC chat board on the issue. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #79 ******************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 08 12:48:00 2000 Date: 8 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20001008101509.6563.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #80 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: b77c77f1d661ca469e0be6e05aa5cac1 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, October 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 080 In this issue: Any news about Pat? Re: Any news about Pat? 334 in southern Alabama to split in 2001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Oct 2000 10:27:46 -0400 From: mikedon@primenet.com (Mike Donnelly) Subject: Any news about Pat? Any news about Pat Townsen? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 2000 13:55:51 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Any news about Pat? >Any news about Pat Townsen? Not really. He's still where he has been for the past several months, could use some money (send to me via Paypal and I can get it to him), and will probably be back around the beginning of next year. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Oct 2000 03:05:23 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: 334 in southern Alabama to split in 2001 The state of Alabama announced this week that it is planning to split the 334 NPA, with Montgomery keeping 334 and Mobile moving to the t.b.a. new code. I wasn't able to find anything on the State of Alabama's web sites, including However, here is a news item from the Birmingham News' "Alabama Live" web site: "The dividing line would start around Melvin, near the Mississippi border, and snake near the towns of Pine Apple, Georgiana, Evergreen and Wing." The article also quotes figures for the number of customers on each side. Montgomery (keeping 334): 539,680 Mobile (new code t.b.a.): 355,033 The only things the article says by way of timing are that the split will occur in 2001, and the new code will be assigned "by summer 2001." The towns they mention, which also don't specify which side is which, are pretty small burgs. Pine Apple is in southeastern Wilcox County, just north of where SR-47 ends at SR-10. Georgiana is in southern Butler County, on US-31 just off exit 114 of I-65. Evergreen is the county seat of Conecuh County, and is at exit 96 of I-65, on US-84/US-31. Wing is in southwestern Covington County, on SR-137 right on the Florida border. I'm guessing that Evergreen will be in the new code, while Georgiana stays in 334, but Pine Apple and Wing I won't even hazard a guess for. It appears, from interpolation, that Coffeeville, Jackson, Monroeville, and Brewton will all change to the new code, while Demopolis, Selma, Greenville, Andalusia, Dothan, Auburn, and Tuskegee will keep 334. The article also notes that 205 is running short of numbers yet again, but that the Alabama PSC is waiting to see the results of number conservation efforts before making a decision on relief for 205. They still have both splits and an overlay on the table as options. The proposed split is a "doughnut-and-hole" arrangement, with Birmingham keeping 205 while Pell City, Clanton, Jasper, and Tuscaloosa change to a new code. Bessemer would be right about on the line, but its status is not mentioned in the news item. - -- For faster reply, use Telecom.LincMad@Com, reversing punctuation LincMad's Telecom Page: Area Codes & Splits - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #80 ******************************* From ???@??? Tue Oct 10 07:03:03 2000 Date: 10 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001010101510.11484.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #82 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 9f2b503e425712f73ef20402abe32cb6 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, October 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 082 In this issue: Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash Experienced with DOS, SCSI and Dialogic? Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash How can I get one of these answering machines? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Oct 2000 08:59:37 -0400 From: Ian Phillipps Subject: Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash Monty Solomon wrote: > > http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/06/1737248&mode=nested > > Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash > > posted by cosmo on Friday October 06, @12:31PM > from the canooks-for-cash dept. > > Canada's privacy commissioner recently released a study showing that > "almost half of Canadians are perfectly comfortable with retailers > compiling personal data...if there's a reward paid to the consumer." [Thread drift - not much to do with telecoms, sorry] Yes - and in the UK retailers such as Tesco and Sainsbury's run successful "loyalty card" schemes. My wife and I are happy to let the Tesco marketeers know what we buy from them in return for a 1% discount. Ian - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 2000 16:38:17 -0400 From: dkmiller51@hotmail.com Subject: Experienced with DOS, SCSI and Dialogic? Are you in St. Louis and experienced with DOS, SCSI and Dialogic voice processing cards? I'll spend a few hundred dollars for your assistance in upgrading a PC based voice processing system that handles several thousand calls a week. Email dkmiller51@hotmail.com and tell me something about your experience. Thanks. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 2000 19:50:04 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash On 9 Oct 2000 08:59:37 -0400, Ian Phillipps wrote: >Monty Solomon wrote: >> >> http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/06/1737248&mode=nested >> >> Canadians Like Sharing Data For Cash >> >> posted by cosmo on Friday October 06, @12:31PM >> from the canooks-for-cash dept. >> >> Canada's privacy commissioner recently released a study showing that >> "almost half of Canadians are perfectly comfortable with retailers >> compiling personal data...if there's a reward paid to the consumer." > >[Thread drift - not much to do with telecoms, sorry] >Yes - and in the UK retailers such as Tesco and Sainsbury's run >successful "loyalty card" schemes. My wife and I are happy to let the >Tesco marketeers know what we buy from them in return for a 1% discount. They are attempting that in the US also. Since they hand out the cards on the spot, I always fill in bad information. If I run into one of these things in a store where I don't want to go to the bother, I forego the purchase. I also don't give them a card unless there is a discount involved. Discounts here are usually for specific items. I need to try giving them a UK address and phone number. Should wreck their computers, or freak out their databases. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 2000 22:00:24 -0400 From: "Mike Pollock" Subject: How can I get one of these answering machines? The spirits speak In recent years there have been numerous claims by enthusiasts in several countries that they have recorded the voices or images of people who have died on tape or film. Most scientists remain unconvinced but the call is growing for them to at least take a look at the mounting evidence. The BBC's Mike Thomson reports. http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/960000/audio/_963258_mikethomson07_9oct.rpm - --Mike - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #82 ******************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 12 18:32:44 2000 Date: 12 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001012101510.5058.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #84 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 02d498bc1f094185f04431402565c0a5 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, October 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 084 In this issue: 10/11/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Sen. 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John Edwards, D-N.C., introduced legislation on Friday that would force software manufacturers to notify consumers when their products include "spyware," bits of code that surreptitiously transmit information about the user's Web surfing habits back to the software company. http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/156365.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #84 ******************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 12 22:42:31 2000 Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20001013020541.3835.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #85 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 0f8e860aa3548b77ff0b5223b7444478 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, October 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 085 In this issue: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #77 Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #83 Re: Pentaconta switches? Star Plus voicemail help?? Experienced with DOS, SCSI and Dialogic? FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Sen. Edwards Intro's 'Spyware Control Act' 10/12/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Can the EU Preserve Web Privacy in England? EPIC Alert 7.18 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Oct 2000 07:09:21 -0400 From: Louis RAPHAEL Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #77 Green, Andrew wrote: : I don't dispute the relative value of the instrument vs. the time and cost : spent renting it, but rental is rental. You don't get to keep your apartment : just because you've lived in it for 30 years, either. And besides, who's to say that you're not still *using* the old rotary? I'm totally with TelCo on this one. - --L - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 10:06:06 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #83 I did not receive 83. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 10:44:39 -0400 From: Alban Couturier Subject: Re: Pentaconta switches? Wim Lauwers wrote: > > Jim Haynes wrote: > > > > I remember the name from some ITT literature back in the 1950s or 1960s. > > ITT had a periodical, might have been named Electrical Communication. > > It has become Alcatel some 20 years ago. I think it was a mixed digital/ > analog system, that is digital control but analog switching, though it > could be the Metaconta system too. Anyway, I'm far too young to help you > any further... > As far as I know, the Pentaconta was ITT's crossbar system, available in early 60's. Metaconta was the next generation switch, and I know it was presented during a french tender in 1975. This one must have been a spatial switch (I mean analog switching with digital control). Disclaimer: I am not so old, I read it in a book of french telephone history... - -- Alban Couturier - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 11:35:33 -0400 From: "Paul Migliorelli \(+1-303-543-2311\)" Subject: Star Plus voicemail help?? Hi all. In our radio station office, we acquired a Vodavy (pardon the spelling, and my apology for not being familiar with this company), phone system and star plus voicemail system. This is run on a dos based pc, and along with voicemail, I've been wanting to set up various menu trees and run some of our blindness radio reading service programming as an on demand service for those who miss our on air content. I gather this system uses files with the extension ".vox". Aah allas, I have never ***heard of .vox files. I seem to remember old voice files caalled ".voc" files. (grin). I guess what I need is a way to go from .wav to .vox, if there is such a thing. I'm fighting with 2 proprietary file formats, if thats the case. That is, our studio ware uses its own, and I can at least get that translated to wav, but the .vox, I really have no clue. Any help?? Much appreciated. Thanks much... evoice (+1-800-222-6000 Mailbox 7 2 8 5 6 4 4 7 which spells paulmigs) If its necessary to quote my original message, please place your response above the original text. This makes for much easier reading. Thanks much. http://www.rrsr.org Join us for a chat on I R C channel #paulmigs! Use your Internet Relay Chat (IRC) software to connect to irc.dal.net Once there, join channel #paulmigs See you there! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 12:37:42 -0400 From: dkmiller51@hotmail.com Subject: Experienced with DOS, SCSI and Dialogic? Are you in St. Louis and experienced with DOS, SCSI and Dialogic voice processing cards? I'll spend a few hundred dollars for your assistance in upgrading a PC based voice processing system that handles several thousand calls a week. Email dkmiller51@hotmail.com and tell me something about your experience. Thanks. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 14:30:23 -0400 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United States share in the fruits of new competition between local telephone companies, promised by a recent law opening up the market for such services. The Federal Communications Commission adopted rules that would bar phone companies from getting exclusive rights to serve office buildings with multiple businesses. The agency said it would weigh whether to expand those rules to residential apartment buildings and whether to prohibit telecom companies from getting exclusive marketing agreements or bonuses from landlords. Fu story: http://www.techtv.com/internettonight/musiconline/story/0,4602,2161246,0 0.html / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / How many people does it take to change a searchlight bulb? / --Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 16:39:20 -0400 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:27:33 -0700, Linc Madison wrote: >[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see > the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] > >In article >, Joey >Lindstrom wrote: > >> FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices >> >> Fu[ll] story: >> >> 2161246,00.html> > >Unless Gary Numan took over the FCC, I think you pasted the wrong >URL.... > >The FCC's press release can be found at > > :-) How schmucklike do I feel right now, on a scale of 1 to 10? I leave the solution as an exercise for the student. [Mental note: next time when pressing CTRL-V, make darned sure the text copied is what you THOUGHT you copied...] / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / Pick two: 1)Fast 2)Right 3)Cheap 4)Windows (counts as 2) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:51:08 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Sen. Edwards Intro's 'Spyware Control Act' A fine idea, but I have often wondered what the difference is between breaking in to a computer and downloading files, and getting the user to install a Trojan Horse (that is what spyware is) that downloads the files for you. On 12 Oct 2000 01:03:51 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: > >Sen. Edwards Intro's 'Spyware Control Act' > By Brian Krebs, Newsbytes >WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., >09 Oct 2000, 3:29 PM CST > >Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., introduced legislation on Friday that >would force software manufacturers to notify consumers when their >products include "spyware," bits of code that surreptitiously >transmit information about the user's Web surfing habits back to the >software company. > >http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/156365.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. 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In comp.dcom.telecom ... on 9 Oct 2000 00:03:07 -0400 Monty Solomon wrote: >First, challenges from the European Union thwarted the >attempted Time Warner-EMI merger. s/thwarted/delayed/ perhaps... from a report by the BBC, it has not yet been ruled out, merely delayed (here's the BBC text) "The two companies on Thursday withdrew their application to the European Commission for permission to merge their music arms, stating they wanted more time to tackle objections to the tie-up." As for the "Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act", some ISPs, including one I use, have already made plans to make use of its European division(s) and use mail servers located outside the UK for customer e-mail (avoiding the control mechanisms of any official organisation which could otherwise request e-mail and other traffic be "tapped", and copied to some government collection/analysis centre). Peter ( ukpost @ hotmail.com ) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:05:25 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EPIC Alert 7.18 ============================================================== @@@@ @@@@ @@@ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @@@@ @@@@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@ @@@ @ @ @@@@@ @ @@@ @@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@ @ @@@ @@@@ @ @ @@@@ @@@@ @ @ @ ============================================================== Volume 7.18 October 12, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------- Published by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) Washington, D.C. http://www.epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_7.18.html ======================================================================= Table of Contents ======================================================================= [1] EPIC Obtains First Set of FBI Carnivore Documents [2] Congressional Office Seeks Access to Census and IRS Data [3] Capitol Hill Hearings Focus on Internet Consumer Privacy [4] New At-Large Members Elected to ICANN Board [5] NIST Selects New Advanced Encryption Standard [6] Supreme Court to Hear Thermal Imaging Case [7] EPIC Bookstore - Think UNIX [8] Upcoming Conferences and Events ======================================================================= [1] EPIC Obtains First Set of FBI Carnivore Documents ======================================================================= The Federal Bureau of Investigation released the first set of documents concerning its Carnivore Internet surveillance system on October 2. The documents were released as a result of EPIC's Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the FBI and Department of Justice (see EPIC Alert 7.15). Of the 729 pages of material processed, nearly 200 were withheld in full and another 400 were released with deletions. The documents reveal the surveillance system's origins, contain discussions of interception of voice over IP, and describe various testing procedures. The newly-released documents confirm that Carnivore grew out of an earlier FBI project called "Omnivore" and reveal for the first time that Omnivore itself replaced an older surveillance tool. The name of that earlier project has been blacked out of the documents, and remains classified. In September 1998, the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit in Quantico, Virginia launched a project to migrate Omnivore from Sun's Solaris operating system to a Windows NT platform. "This will facilitate the miniaturization of the system and support a wide range of personal computer (PC) equipment," according to the project's Statement of Need. The project was called "Phiple Troenix" and the resulting system was named "Carnivore." Phiple Troenix's estimated price tag of $800,000 included training for personnel at the Bureau's National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC). The Omnivore project was formally closed down in June 1999, at a final cost of $900,000. Carnivore version 1.2 was released in September 1999; as of May 2000, it was in version 1.3.4. At that time it was subjected to an exhaustive series of carefully prescribed tests under variable conditions. The results, according to an internal memo, were positive. "Carnivore is remarkably tolerant of network aberration, such as speed change, data corruption and targeted smurf type attacks." An "Enhanced Carnivore" project began in November 1999 and is scheduled to conclude in January of next year, at a total cost of $650,000. Some of the documents indicate that the Bureau plans to add more features to versions 2.0 and 3.0 of Carnivore, but the details have been mostly redacted. The next installment of Carnivore documents is scheduled to be released to EPIC in mid-November. EPIC has posted scanned images of selected documents at: http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/foia_documents.html ======================================================================= [2] Congressional Office Seeks Access to Census and IRS Data ======================================================================= In a secretive assault on Americans' privacy, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is seeking access to confidential Census Bureau records, as well as confidential financial data collected by the Internal Revenue Service. Congressional supporters of the CBO's data grab are attempting to insert into any of several pending appropriations bills language that would authorize the unprecedented disclosure of Census and IRS information. The CBO proposal seeks the data, which is currently kept strictly confidential under federal law, in order to make long-term projections about the viability of the Social Security and Medicare programs. The initiative is being opposed and publicized by Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), who has accused the CBO of trying to sneak its proposal through the complex appropriations process currently ongoing as Congress rushes toward adjournment. In a letter sent to leaders of the House Appropriations Committee on October 11, Rep. Maloney said that "changing the law that protects the confidentiality of census data in the middle of the 2000 Census, behind closed doors and with no public debate, sends the wrong signal to the American public." She cited widespread privacy concerns that were expressed earlier this year after the Census Bureau's long-form questionnaire sought answers to a number of intrusive personal questions (see EPIC Alert 7.06). The attempted disclosure is also opposed by Commerce Secretary Norman Mineta, who told Congressional leaders that the proposal would weaken "the most important legal structure protecting the privacy and confidentiality of all Americans, with regard to the private information they provide the Census Bureau." Saying that he is "adamantly opposed" to the proposal, Mineta noted that CBO's initiative "would threaten public confidence in the confidentiality of all information collected by the Census Bureau and other data collecting agencies." According to a coalition of consumer and privacy groups, another last-minute amendment could detrimentally affect personal privacy. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) has attached his Social Security number proposal, S. 2554, to the Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations Bill. The amendment would not effectively increase protections over Social Security numbers, but would pre-empt the ability of states to provide stronger protections on their own. A letter from consumer and privacy groups opposing the amendment to the Commerce-Justice-State appropriations bill is available at: http://www.pirg.org/consumer/greggssn.htm ======================================================================= [3] Capitol Hill Hearings Focus on Internet Consumer Privacy ======================================================================= On October 2, EPIC testified before the Senate Commerce Committee on a trio of Internet privacy bills introduced by Committee members: S. 809, the "Online Privacy Protection Act"; S. 2606, the "Consumer Privacy Protection Act"; and S. 2928, the "Consumer Internet Privacy Enhancement Act." In testimony before the full Committee, EPIC argued that there is widespread public support for privacy legislation, a substantive privacy law will require more than the posting of privacy policies, and protections should provide multiple enforcement mechanisms. In its conclusion, EPIC argued that among the three bills, S. 2606 provides the most robust legal framework for privacy protection. More recently, on October 11, EPIC testified before the House Commerce Subcommittee on Telecommunications Trade and Consumer Protection. The hearing on "Recent Developments in Privacy Protections for Consumers" touched on the privacy practices of both government and commercial websites. In its testimony, EPIC pointed to both online profiling and the recent trend of companies claiming customer data as assets in bankruptcy proceedings as evidence of the need for baseline privacy standards. The testimony went on to argue that strong laws would give consumer long-needed privacy rights in the online world and would provide necessary support for developing privacy enhancing technologies. In a related development, a recent survey conducted by Harris Interactive and commissioned by the National Consumers League found that more Americans are "very concerned" about loss of personal privacy than they are about health care, crime, or taxes. Seventy-one percent of respondents also believed that it is absolutely essential that companies ask permission before using personal information, and 34 percent incorrectly believed that it is illegal for companies to share or sell personal data. EPIC's testimony before the Senate Commerce Committee on October 2: http://www.epic.org/privacy/internet/testimony_1000.html EPIC's testimony before the House Commerce Committee on October 11: http://www.epic.org/privacy/internet/shen_testimony_1000.html Results of the National Consumers League survey: http://nclnet.org/essentials/ ======================================================================= [4] New At-Large Members Elected to ICANN Board ======================================================================= Five new members have been elected to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Board of Directors. The five new members are the first publicly elected members of the Board and will take their posts following ICANN's November meeting in Los Angeles. Nii Quaynor, an employee of Network Computer Systems and administrator for the .gh domain (Ghana), was the winner in the Africa region. Masanobu Katoh, an employee of Fujitsu living in the United States, placed first in the Asia/Australia/Pacific region. In the European region Andy Mueller-Maguhn of the Chaos Computer Club was selected. Ivan Moura Campos, the chief executive of Akwan Information Technologies, is the representative for the Latin America and Caribbean region. Cisco engineer and outspoken ICANN critic Karl Auerbach placed first in the North America region. The views of all five members on civil society issues can be found at the website of the Internet Democracy Project. Earlier this month, the Internet Democracy Project co-sponsored two events on the ICANN elections. The "ICANN Candidates Forum" was held on October 2 at the Harvard Law School in cooperation with the Berkman Center for Internet and Society. Another event -- "ICANN and Internet Privatization: Technical Coordination or Cyberspace Governance?" -- was held on October 4 in cooperation with the Technology & Culture Forum at MIT. Cybercasts of both events are available online. ICANN will meet next in Los Angeles on November 13-17, 2000. Participants are expected to discuss the introduction of new top-level domains. The following ICANN meeting will be held in Melbourne, Australia on March 10-13, 2001. Results of the 2000 At-Large Membership Vote: http://www.election.com/us/icann/icannresult.html Homepage of the Internet Democracy Project: http://www.internetdemocracyproject.org/ Information on the upcoming ICANN Meeting in Marina del Rey, November 13-17, 2000: http://www.icann.org/mdr2000/ ======================================================================= [5] NIST Selects New Advanced Encryption Standard ======================================================================= On October 2, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) selected a new algorithm to be used as the government's official encryption standard for the 21st century. Rijndael, named after its Belgian creators Joan Daemen and Vincent Rijmen, will replace the Data Encryption Standard (DES), adopted by the federal government as the Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) since 1977. The search for a new Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) was announced by the NIST in 1997. By March 1999, the pool of candidates was narrowed to five finalists: MARS, RC6, Rijndael, Serpent, and Twofish. Rijndael was chosen for its combination of "security, performance, efficiency, ease of implementation and flexibility." Rijndael will now be the official scrambling standard for all U.S. federal government agencies. As it will be available for use royalty-free worldwide, it is also likely to be widely adopted for use by private sector companies both nationally and internationally. The weakness of the Data Encryption Standard, which relied on 56 bit encryption keys, was demonstrated in a series of DES Cracker Projects sponsored by RSA Laboratories in 1997, 1998 and 1999. Relying on specialized "DES Cracker" machines, code breakers were eventually able to recover DES keys in a matter of hours. The AES will use three key sizes: 128, 192 and 256 bits. It is estimated that it would take longer than the life of the universe to crack the AES (!!). For complete AES-related information visit the AES home page at: http://www.nist.gov/aes For more information on the RSA's DES Challenges visit: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/ ======================================================================= [6] Supreme Court to Hear Thermal Imaging Case ======================================================================= On September 26, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear a case that presents the question whether the use of a device that detects heat emanating from a home constitutes a search under the Fourth Amendment. The petitioner, Danny Lee Kyllo, was arrested in 1992 by Oregon officials for growing marijuana in his home. To obtain the evidence for the arrest, the police used (without a warrant) a thermal imaging device that detects heat emanations inside a home. After discovering Kyllo's home was warmer than neighboring buildings, police then obtained a warrant and searched Kyllo's home and found evidence of criminal conduct. Kyllo pleaded guilty to charges of growing marijuana but challenged the constitutionality of the use of the thermal imaging device absent a warrant. The case is on appeal from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit which held in a 2-1 decision that the use of thermal imaging technology did not constitute a search. Writing for the majority, Judge Hawkins said the use of the device was not a search since its use did not reveal any intimate details. Further, use of the device did not violate any reasonable expectation of privacy since Kyllo made no attempt to conceal heat emissions, thus "demonstrating a lack of concern with the heat emitted and a lack of a subjective privacy expectation in the heat." In his dissent, Judge Noonan responded that It is strange to focus on the homeowner's non-existent expectation as to emissions. The homeowner's expectation is directed to the privacy of the interior of his home. It is that expectation which the Fourth Amendment is intended to protect. While several federal Courts of Appeals have agreed with the Ninth Circuit's decision that use of thermal imaging devices does not constitute a search, other District and State Supreme Courts have held that a warrant requirement should apply. More information about Kyllo v. U.S. (No. 99-8508) is available at: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ ======================================================================= [7] EPIC Bookstore - Think UNIX ======================================================================= Think UNIX by Jon Lasser http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=2-078972376x-0 Unix has a reputation for being cryptic and difficult to learn, but it doesn't need to be that way. Think Unix takes an analogous approach to that of a grammar book. Rather than teaching individual words or phrases like most books, Think Unix teaches the set of logical structures to be learned. Myriad examples help you learn individual commands, and practice problems at the end of difficult sections help you learn the practical side of Unix. Strong attention is paid to learning how to read "man pages," the standard documentation on all Unix systems, including Linux. While most books simply tell you that man pages exist and spend some time teaching how to use the man command, none spend any significant amount of space teaching how to use the content of the man pages. Even if you are lost at the Unix command prompt, you can learn subsystems that are specific to the Unix flavor. Teaches how to use Unix effectively for everyday tasks by teaching the design model A succinct introduction to Unix for advanced computer users that teaches the basics but also provides a framework for additional learning. ================================ EPIC Publications: "Privacy & Human Rights 2000: An International Survey of Privacy Laws and Developments," David Banisar, author (EPIC 2000). Price: $20. http://www.epic.org/phr/ This survey, by EPIC and Privacy International, reviews the state of privacy in over fifty countries around the world. The survey examines a wide range of privacy issues including, data protection, telephone tapping, genetic databases, ID systems and freedom of information laws. ================================ "The Privacy Law Sourcebook 2000: United States Law, International Law, and Recent Developments," Marc Rotenberg, editor (EPIC 2000). Price: $40. http://www.epic.org/pls/ The "Physicians Desk Reference of the privacy world." An invaluable resource for students, attorneys, researchers and journalists who need an up-to-date collection of U.S. and International privacy law, as well as a comprehensive listing of privacy resources. ================================ "Cryptography and Liberty 2000: An International Survey of Encryption Policy," Wayne Madsen and David Banisar, editors (EPIC 2000). Price: $20. http://www.epic.org/crypto&/ EPIC's third survey of encryption policies around the world. The results indicate that the efforts to reduce export controls on strong encryption products have largely succeeded, although several governments are gaining new powers to combat the perceived threats of encryption to law enforcement. ================================ "Filters and Freedom - Free Speech Perspectives on Internet Content Controls," David Sobel, editor (EPIC 1999). Price: $20. http://www.epic.org/filters&freedom/ A collection of essays, studies, and critiques of Internet content filtering. These papers are instrumental in explaining why filtering threatens free expression. ================================ Additional titles on privacy, open government, free expression, computer security, and crypto, as well as films and DVDs can be ordered through the EPIC Bookstore: http://www.epic.org/bookstore/ ======================================================================= [8] Upcoming Conferences and Events ======================================================================= Drawing the Blinds: Reconstructing Privacy in the Information Age. CPSR's Annual Conference and Wiener Award Dinner. October 14, 2000. Philadelphia, PA. For more information: http://www.cpsr.org Gore/Bush Forum on Privacy. Institute for Communitarian Policy Studies, George Washington University. Rep. Markey will be presenting the views of Vice President Gore and Senior Advisor Stephen Goldsmith the approach of Governor Bush. October 16, 2000. Washington, DC. For more information: comnet@gwu.edu Identity Theft Victim Assistance Workshop. Federal Trade Commission. October 23-24, 2000. Washington, DC. For more information: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/workshops/idtheft/index.html Identity Theft Prevention Workshop. Social Security Administration. October 25, 2000. Washington, DC. For more information: http://www.ssa.gov/oig/IDTheft.htm Privacy2000: Information and Security in the Digital Age. October 31- November 1, 2000. Columbus, Ohio. For more information: http://www.privacy2000.org Mealey's Internet Law 101 Conference. November 1-2, 2000. Tysons Corner, VA. For more information: seminars@mealeys.com 2000 BNA Public Policy Forum: e-commerce and internet regulation. November 15-16, 2000. Tysons Corner, VA. For more information: http://internetconference.pf.com 16th Annual Computer Security Applications Conference (ACSAC). December 11-15, 2000. New Orleans, Louisiana. For more information: http://www.acsac.org Network and Distributed System Security Symposium (NDSS '01). Internet Society. February 7-9, 2001. San Diego, CA. For more information: http://www.isoc.org/ndss01/ Online, Offshore and Cross-Border: Regulating Global E-Commerce. Washington College of Law, American University. March 30, 2001. Washington, DC. For more information: http://www.wcl.american.edu ======================================================================= Subscription Information ======================================================================= The EPIC Alert is a free biweekly publication of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. A Web-based form is available for subscribing or unsubscribing at: http://www.epic.org/alert/subscribe.html To subscribe or unsubscribe using email, send email to epic-news@epic.org with the subject: "subscribe" (no quotes) or "unsubscribe". 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For more information, e-mail info@epic.org, http://www.epic.org or write EPIC, 1718 Connecticut Ave., NW, Suite 200, Washington, DC 20009. +1 202 483 1140 (tel), +1 202 483 1248 (fax). If you'd like to support the work of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, contributions are welcome and fully tax-deductible. Checks should be made out to "The Fund for Constitutional Government" and sent to EPIC, 1718 Connecticut Ave., NW, Suite 200, Washington, DC 20009. Your contributions will help support Freedom of Information Act and First Amendment litigation, strong and effective advocacy for the right of privacy and efforts to oppose government regulation of encryption and expanding wiretapping powers. Thank you for your support. ---------------------- END EPIC Alert 7.18 ----------------------- . - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #85 ******************************* From ???@??? Fri Oct 13 09:31:43 2000 Date: 13 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001013101510.11566.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #86 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 2cc3348ad63d97aa2b1549e1e150eb4a Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 086 In this issue: NYS joins in blocking telemarketers Security Breach at Buy.com Sen. Edwards Intro's 'Spyware Control Act' Study: Sites Need Private Xmas Re: Security Breach at Buy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:15:13 -0400 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: NYS joins in blocking telemarketers Per the NYLJ: http://www.nylj.com/stories/00/10/101300a3.htm (nothing yet on the NYS gov't websites) New Laws Aimed at Curbing Telemarketers By John Caher New York Law Journal Friday, October 13, 2000 ALBANYBills designed to afford New Yorkers greater protections against telemarketing were signed into law by Governor Pataki yesterday. One bill creates a "Do Not Call" registry of consumers who do not want to receive unsolicited sales calls. Another, the Telemarketing and Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act, includes a broad range of protections. The "Do Not Call" law, which takes effect April 1, 2001, makes it illegal for telemarketers to contact consumers who have opted to have their name listed in the registry. Telemarketers who violate the law face a fine of up to $2,000 per call. [rest snipped for the usual reasons] The bill text (or, rather, the law) should be accessable by starting at: http://www.state.ny.us and following the link to the NYS Senate. Alas, it was hiccupping on me just now when I tried. (Senate bill 8116 and Assembly bill 7641) - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:52:54 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Security Breach at Buy.com Security Breach at Buy.com by Declan McCullagh 5:45 p.m. Oct. 12, 2000 PDT A security hole on buy.com's website has exposed the personal information of customers who returned products to the company. The buy.com website accidentally allows determined visitors to peruse the names, addresses, and phone numbers of customers. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39438,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 2000 23:20:35 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sen. Edwards Intro's 'Spyware Control Act' Sen. Edwards Intro's 'Spyware Control Act' By Brian Krebs, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 09 Oct 2000, 3:29 PM CST Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., introduced legislation on Friday that would force software manufacturers to notify consumers when their products include "spyware," bits of code that surreptitiously transmit information about the user's Web surfing habits back to the software company. http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/156365.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2000 00:16:21 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Study: Sites Need Private Xmas Study: Sites Need Private Xmas (Business 3:00 a.m. PDT) http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39398,00.html?tw=wn20001012 Forrester Research finds that if online toy sites want to put their wares under trees this holiday season, a sound privacy policy may help. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2000 00:52:17 -0400 From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: Security Breach at Buy.com Quoth Monty Solomon in : |Security Breach at Buy.com |by Declan McCullagh | |5:45 p.m. Oct. 12, 2000 PDT |A security hole on buy.com's website has exposed the personal |information of customers who returned products to the company. | |The buy.com website accidentally allows determined visitors to peruse |the names, addresses, and phone numbers of customers. | |http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39438,00.html They've been insecure forever. See a story about another security breach (with which I have first-hand experience, nearly identical to the author's) at http://www.ironminds.com/ironminds/issues/000818/tech.shtml For obvious reasons, I don't do business there any more. - -- |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | |been a wee bit more specific. | | | "Fuck NANAE." -- Paul Vixie | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #86 ******************************* From ???@??? Sat Oct 14 06:27:58 2000 Date: 14 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20001014101511.4384.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #87 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 82cf5330c6849641453953302121605e Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, October 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 087 In this issue: Re: Star Plus voicemail help?? 10/13/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Oct 2000 17:55:48 -0400 From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Star Plus voicemail help?? "Paul Migliorelli \(+1-303-543-2311\)" contributed the following: Do a search for a Windows program called "Goldwave" which can do the conversions from the .wav format to the Dialogic .vox format ..... >system uses files with the extension ".vox". Aah allas, I have never >***heard of .vox files. I seem to remember old voice files caalled >".voc" files. (grin). > >I guess what I need is a way to go from .wav to .vox, if there is such a >thing. I'm fighting with 2 proprietary file formats, if thats the >case. That is, our studio ware uses its own, and I can at least get that >translated to wav, but the .vox, I really have no clue. Any help?? Much >appreciated. Thanks much... ..... - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:35:50 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/13/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************ ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - 800 ADMINISTRATION, & MUMS THE WORD ON ENUM - - NEW TLD APPLICATIONS ARE POSTED - - THE INTERNET'S COMING OF AGE - - PETA.ORG CASE BACK IN COURT - - ETNO TO ITU: SHAPE UP OR ELSE - - ICANN: A LEGEND IN ITS OWN MIND ************************************************************************ CUSTOMER SERVICE NOTES: Access to all articles, Free and Premium, requires registration. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4639 F - NEW TLD APPLICATIONS ARE POSTED ICANN has finally posted the 'non-confidential portions' of the new TLD applications. Of 47 original applications, .nyc was withdrawn over disagreement of treatment of confidentiality claims. Two others, for .number/.tel/.phone, and .wap, were returned for lack of US $50,000 application fee. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4638 F - THE INTERNET'S COMING OF AGE New 176-page report 'presents a detailed analysis of the Internet's infrastructure and provides a set of guiding principles for those who build and operate its components and for policy-makers who attempt to regulate it.' 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4643 F - ETNO TO ITU: SHAPE UP OR ELSE Director Michael Bartholomew delivered the stark warning that 'unless we see more evidence of meaningful reform, our member companies will increasingly consider other standardization bodies to develop specifications and standards.' CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4641 F - ICANN: A LEGEND IN ITS OWN MIND To use a different root server, an ISP merely edits a couple of lines of in-house computer code. This change allows the ISP's subscribers to browse all of ORSC's Web locations, including '.cars,' '.family' and others. Yet the same browsers will still work with all of ICANN's TLDs, such as '.com,' '.net' and '.org.' The switch can even be made by individuals on their personal computers, regardless of the ISP they use. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 2000 03:30:00 -0400 From: John Nagle Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Monty Solomon wrote: > E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served > By Ben Hammer > 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the > number of messages it sends out. > http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html Don't worry. 24/7 Media does not have long to live. Our automated dot-com collapse predictor at http://www.downside.com/deathwatch.html predicts a death date of November 30, 2000. That's when they run out of cash. Their stock has already dropped from 65 to 4 and is in a screaming dive, having lost half its value in the last two weeks. Their latest SEC filing even says "WE ANTICIPATE CONTINUED LOSSES AND WE MAY NEVER BE PROFITABLE." I don't think anyone else will try to IPO a spammer for a while. John Nagle Downside - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #87 ******************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 15 11:58:39 2000 Date: 15 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20001015101509.15350.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: aa78991ae261e4ade76d22935d71f4fe Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, October 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 088 In this issue: Al Gore And The Internet Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: Star Plus voicemail help?? Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Oct 2000 08:35:44 -0400 From: Outsider Subject: Al Gore And The Internet Al Gore And The Internet By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development. No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time. Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective. As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises. As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science. As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven operation. There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large. The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world. ... http://www.democrats.org http://Gore_In_Context.tripod.com http://www.consortiumnews.com http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/LiberalFAQ.htm http://www.american-politics.com/040199Guest.html http://www.gwbush.com http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3750/headlines.htm http://www.american-politics.com/20000316BushLoser.html ... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 2000 12:18:59 -0400 From: Alan Boritz Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United >States share in >the fruits of new competition between local telephone companies, >promised by a >recent law opening up the market for such services. > >The Federal Communications Commission adopted rules that would bar >phone >companies from getting exclusive rights to serve office buildings with >multiple >businesses. The agency said it would weigh whether to expand those >rules to >residential apartment buildings and whether to prohibit telecom >companies from >getting exclusive marketing agreements or bonuses from landlords. > > >Fu >story: > >http://www.techtv.com/internettonight/musiconline/story/0,4602,2161246,0 >0.html "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United ... >Fu >story: > >http://www.techtv.com/internettonight/musiconline/story/0,4602,2161246,0 >0.html Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense that have nothing to do telecommunications? At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean much if they're full or needed for future expansion. The building owners still have total control over which telecom services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent the carriers from damaging his property. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 2000 12:27:56 -0400 From: "Joey Lindstrom" Subject: Re: Star Plus voicemail help?? On 14 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400, David Clayton wrote: >"Paul Migliorelli \(+1-303-543-2311\)" contributed >the following: > >Do a search for a Windows program called "Goldwave" which can do the >conversions from the .wav format to the Dialogic .vox format >..... >>system uses files with the extension ".vox". Aah allas, I have never >>***heard of .vox files. I seem to remember old voice files caalled >>".voc" files. (grin). >> GoldWave can be found at: http://www.goldwave.com It, along with its companion program "Multiquence", are fully-featured enough to do some serious professional work (which I use them for), but are also simple enough for novices to figure out. Registration is $49 each or both for $89 (Canadian dollars) last time I checked (I'm just a happy customer, I don't work for Chris), but both products have shareware modes that are FULLY FUNCTIONAL - the only "cripple" is that after you use it for a certain number of operations, a nag screen begins popping up frequently. Shutting the program down and restarting it will reset the "certain number of operations" and eliminate the nags (until you hit the limit again of course). If you're a hockey fan, you can hear some of the work I've created using these programs at: http://www.tommyalbelin.com (then click on "Question Of The Week", then select any of the questions) You can also (shudder!) hear what my voice sounds like... ;-) / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / Yesterday I found out what doughnuts are for. You put them on / doughbolts. They hold dough airplanes together. For kids, they make / erector sets out of play-dough. / --Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 2000 21:27:03 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices In article , Alan Boritz wrote: > "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United > ... > >Full story: > > > >http://www.techtv.com/ ... > > Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us > nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense > that have nothing to do telecommunications? Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about another. > At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story > is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the > FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, > and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A > restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other > carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC > to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean > much if they're full or needed for future expansion. A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as is quite often the case. > The building owners still have total control over which telecom > services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who > is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable and flat-out unjustifiable. I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services enter my premises. The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. > I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis > is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the > industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a > sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant > buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to > comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control > regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, > the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer > and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier > must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the > carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's > responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are > notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for > the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent > the carriers from damaging his property. Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to choose the provider. Period. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 2000 04:04:11 -0400 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Linc, I agree with you (particularly because I am living in a complex which restricts my choice). However, in the final analysis, doesn't the consumer have a choice? ...to move somewhere else where service is more to their liking... - --Brian Linc Madison wrote: > > In article , Alan Boritz > wrote: > > > "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United > > ... > > >Full story: > > > > > >http://www.techtv.com/ ... > > > > Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us > > nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense > > that have nothing to do telecommunications? > > Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already > been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong > link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and > he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about > another. > > > At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story > > is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the > > FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, > > and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A > > restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > > access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other > > carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC > > to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean > > much if they're full or needed for future expansion. > > A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are > several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as > is quite often the case. > > > The building owners still have total control over which telecom > > services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who > > is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. > > AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building > should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications > companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable > and flat-out unjustifiable. > > I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services > enter my premises. > > The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the > hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights > are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the > building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. > > > I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis > > is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the > > industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a > > sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant > > buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to > > comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control > > regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, > > the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer > > and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier > > must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the > > carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's > > responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are > > notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for > > the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent > > the carriers from damaging his property. > > Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide > on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. > > I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to > choose the provider. Period. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 2000 05:54:43 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices In article <39E961D4.CEF087C5@dallas.net>, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Linc, > > I agree with you (particularly because I am living in a complex > which restricts my choice). > > However, in the final analysis, doesn't the consumer have a choice? > > ...to move somewhere else where service is more to their liking... Sure. The consumer also has a choice ... to move to a country with more sensible laws. The consumer also has the choice to forgo all telecommunications services entirely and rely entirely on carrier pigeons. That doesn't make the current situation acceptable. The status quo allows telecomms competition to be used to the advantage of the landlord at the expense of the consumer of the actual services. Telecomms competition should be structured to benefit the consumer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #88 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Oct 16 08:08:20 2000 Date: 16 Oct 2000 06:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20001016101512.7429.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #89 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 1ede84a29ebd4b738103939d96f5dd5f Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, October 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 089 In this issue: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 cmsg cancel <4.3.2.7.2.20001015134326.00af16e8@pop.prodigy.net> Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore and the Internet Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 sorry for the double post Continued AT&T CDPD Problems north of NYC BAMS/GTE Verizon Merge CDPD Services ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Oct 2000 10:19:54 -0400 From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 - --- You wrote: Date: 14 Oct 2000 08:35:44 -0400 From: Outsider Subject: Al Gore And The Internet Al Gore And The Internet By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf - --- end of quote --- Dear Sirs, Your letter in support of Al Gore and his contributions to the Internet made very interesting reading. Clearly you both appreciate his efforts in promoting use of the Internet. The "timely" offering of your perspective on his statement about having "invented" the Internet is not only timely but also very suspicious, however. It would have been no less "timely" a month ago, six months ago or a year ago. The fact that you issued your perspective only days after Mr. Gore suffered a downslide in the polls after his poor showing during the second presidential-candidate debate piques my curiosity and my skepticism. You are correct that Mr. Gore did not actually claim to have invented the Internet. Your own quote of his comment, however, reads, "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Whether Mr. Gore wants to be known as the "inventor" or as the "creator" of the Internet, it is obvious that he gilded the lily in this case and hoped to garner credit for much more than he actually accomplished. Many of us who read his words were left with the impression that he would have us believe that except for Al Gore, there would be no Internet. It was not until he was called upon to justify his words that he made any attempt to clarify that remark. Mr. Gore did not create the Internet. He did not invent the Internet. He probably did support and advocate the perpetuation of the Internet but so did many others including yourselves. I, for one, am not willing to give him credit for the Internet's existence any more than I am willing to praise him for the discovery of the Love Canal disaster or congratulate him for the publishing of 'Love Story.' Curiously enough, while you gentlemen write to defend Mr. Gore's remarks about the Internet, the author of 'Love Story' felt obliged to hold a press conference denying Mr. Gore's suggestion that he and his wife somehow sparked the writing of that story. Congratulations and many thanks for the tremendous work you did in the real creation of the Internet. Thank you for providing us with your recollection of the evolution of the Internet. Please try to understand, though, that it is not Mr. Gore's ambiguous statement about its invention that bothers many of us but rather the pattern of such ambiguities that we are concerned about. Regards, Charles Wilber Hanover, New Hampshire - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 2000 13:44:51 -0400 From: Paul Hrisko Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 I do believe I will need one. Pick me up one and I'll give you the cash. BTW, how did the bid for the edison cylinders turn out? Did we win? At 06:15 AM 15-10-00 -0400, you wrote: >Telecom Digest Sunday, October 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 088 > > > >In this issue: > > Al Gore And The Internet > Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > Re: Star Plus voicemail help?? > Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: 14 Oct 2000 08:35:44 -0400 >From: Outsider >Subject: Al Gore And The Internet > >Al Gore And The Internet > >By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf > >Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of >the Internet and to promote and support its development. > >No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the >Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among >people in government and the university community. >But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core >protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP >Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. > No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater >contribution over a longer period of time. > >Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his >role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took >the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some >people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the >Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving >as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect >on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was >talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were >listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective. > >As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high >speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the >improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected >official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a >broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and >scholarship. > >Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and >controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and >was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. >But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When >the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, >Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the >vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and >communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced >technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response >of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises. > >As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate >what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks >into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with >officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore >secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications >Act in 1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and >Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major >vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer >science. > >As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, >as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government >agencies that spawned it. >He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment >in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such >as Net Day. > >He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to >schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nation's schools >are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the >speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to >become a commercially-driven operation. > >There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid >growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political >support for its privatization and continued support for research in >advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more >intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving >Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of >this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at >large. > >The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the >value of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term >and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to >American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world. >... > > >http://www.democrats.org >http://Gore_In_Context.tripod.com >http://www.consortiumnews.com >http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/LiberalFAQ.htm >http://www.american-politics.com/040199Guest.html >http://www.gwbush.com >http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3750/headlines.htm >http://www.american-politics.com/20000316BushLoser.html >... >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 14 Oct 2000 12:18:59 -0400 >From: Alan Boritz >Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > >"Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United > >States share in > >the fruits of new competition between local telephone companies, > >promised by a > >recent law opening up the market for such services. > > > >The Federal Communications Commission adopted rules that would bar > >phone > >companies from getting exclusive rights to serve office buildings with > >multiple > >businesses. The agency said it would weigh whether to expand those > >rules to > >residential apartment buildings and whether to prohibit telecom > >companies from > >getting exclusive marketing agreements or bonuses from landlords. > > > > > >Fu > >story: > > > >http://www.techtv.com/internettonight/musiconline/story/0,4602,2161246,0 > >0.html > >"Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United >... > >Fu > >story: > > > >http://www.techtv.com/internettonight/musiconline/story/0,4602,2161246,0 > >0.html > >Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us nothing but a >facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense that have nothing to do >telecommunications? > >At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story is >dramatically different than the description in this post. All the FCC has >proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, and further >discovery of what the building owner issues are. A restriction against a >telecom carrier entering into an exclusive access agreement is meaningless >to a >consumer, if there is no other carrier with which the consumer can obtain >service. Requiring an LEC to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't >going to mean much if they're full or needed for future expansion. The >building >owners still have total control over which telecom services enter the >building, >who is permitted in his risers, and who is allowed roof space, which is as it >should be. > >I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis is solid. >The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the industry losers who >can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a sad fact of life that in the >many existing private multi-tenant buildings in the US, any company who >installs new service has to comply with building, electrical, and often >asbestos control regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be >penetrated, the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer >and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier must >fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the carrier must >have >it done. NONE of this is the building owner's responsibility. The commenters, >with perhaps few exceptions, are notoriously poor performers in these areas. >The ROW fee helps pay for the building owner's effort to monitor construction >and help prevent the carriers from damaging his property. >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 14 Oct 2000 12:27:56 -0400 >From: "Joey Lindstrom" >Subject: Re: Star Plus voicemail help?? > >On 14 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400, David Clayton wrote: > > >"Paul Migliorelli \(+1-303-543-2311\)" contributed > >the following: > > > >Do a search for a Windows program called "Goldwave" which can do the > >conversions from the .wav format to the Dialogic .vox format > >..... > >>system uses files with the extension ".vox". Aah allas, I have never > >>***heard of .vox files. I seem to remember old voice files caalled > >>".voc" files. (grin). > >> > >GoldWave can be found at: > >http://www.goldwave.com > > >It, along with its companion program "Multiquence", are fully-featured >enough to do some serious professional work (which I use them for), but >are also simple enough for novices to figure out. Registration is $49 >each or both for $89 (Canadian dollars) last time I checked (I'm just a >happy customer, I don't work for Chris), but both products have >shareware modes that are FULLY FUNCTIONAL - the only "cripple" is that >after you use it for a certain number of operations, a nag screen >begins popping up frequently. Shutting the program down and restarting >it will reset the "certain number of operations" and eliminate the nags >(until you hit the limit again of course). > >If you're a hockey fan, you can hear some of the work I've created >using these programs at: > >http://www.tommyalbelin.com > >(then click on "Question Of The Week", then select any of the >questions) > >You can also (shudder!) hear what my voice sounds like... ;-) > > >/ From the desk of Joey Lindstrom >/ >/ Yesterday I found out what doughnuts are for. You put them on >/ doughbolts. They hold dough airplanes together. For kids, they make >/ erector sets out of play-dough. >/ --Steven Wright >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 14 Oct 2000 21:27:03 -0400 >From: Linc Madison >Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > >In article , Alan Boritz > wrote: > > > "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United > > ... > > >Full story: > > > > > >http://www.techtv.com/ ... > > > > Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us > > nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense > > that have nothing to do telecommunications? > >Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already >been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong >link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and >he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about >another. > > > At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story > > is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the > > FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, > > and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A > > restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > > access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other > > carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC > > to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean > > much if they're full or needed for future expansion. > >A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive >access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are >several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as >is quite often the case. > > > The building owners still have total control over which telecom > > services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who > > is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. > >AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building >should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications >companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable >and flat-out unjustifiable. > >I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services >enter my premises. > >The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the >hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights >are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the >building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. > > > I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis > > is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the > > industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a > > sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant > > buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to > > comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control > > regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, > > the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer > > and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier > > must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the > > carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's > > responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are > > notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for > > the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent > > the carriers from damaging his property. > >Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide >on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. > >I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to >choose the provider. Period. >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 15 Oct 2000 04:04:11 -0400 >From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" >Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > >Linc, > >I agree with you (particularly because I am living in a complex >which restricts my choice). > >However, in the final analysis, doesn't the consumer have a choice? > >...to move somewhere else where service is more to their liking... > >- --Brian > >Linc Madison wrote: > > > > In article , Alan Boritz > > wrote: > > > > > "Joey Lindstrom" wrote: > > > > > > >FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > > > > > > > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- New federal rules approved Thursday would help > > > >millions of apartment dwellers and small businesses in the United > > > ... > > > >Full story: > > > > > > > >http://www.techtv.com/ ... > > > > > > Can we have a moratorium on these phony blind links that give us > > > nothing but a facefull of advertisements and megabytes of nonsense > > > that have nothing to do telecommunications? > > > > Can we have a moratorium on idiotic comments like yours? As has already > > been discussed, the link above was an INADVERTENT paste of the wrong > > link. Joey (surprise, surprise) has more than one interest in life, and > > he accidentally pasted a link for one subject into an article about > > another. > > > > > At the FCC's web site, where the issue has been detailed, the story > > > is dramatically different than the description in this post. All the > > > FCC has proposed are unenforceable restrictions on telecom carriers, > > > and further discovery of what the building owner issues are. A > > > restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > > > access agreement is meaningless to a consumer, if there is no other > > > carrier with which the consumer can obtain service. Requiring an LEC > > > to provide CLEC's access to existing conduits isn't going to mean > > > much if they're full or needed for future expansion. > > > > A restriction against a telecom carrier entering into an exclusive > > access agreement is plenty meaningful to a consumer, if there are > > several other carriers with which the consumer can obtain service, as > > is quite often the case. > > > > > The building owners still have total control over which telecom > > > services enter the building, who is permitted in his risers, and who > > > is allowed roof space, which is as it should be. > > > > AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my apartment building > > should not have the right to restrict my choice of telecommunications > > companies to provide my local service. That's absolutely unreasonable > > and flat-out unjustifiable. > > > > I, the tenant, should have sole control over which telecom services > > enter my premises. > > > > The right to make such determinations should be exclusively in the > > hands of the USER of the property, not the OWNER. The owner's rights > > are limited to reasonable restrictions to protect the integrity of the > > building and prevent disruptions in service to other tenants. > > > > > I've negotiated ROW agreements and license fees, and the legal basis > > > is solid. The petitioners who brought this issue to the FCC are the > > > industry losers who can't finesse it, buy it, or engineer it. It's a > > > sad fact of life that in the many existing private multi-tenant > > > buildings in the US, any company who installs new service has to > > > comply with building, electrical, and often asbestos control > > > regulations. That means that if a foundation has to be penetrated, > > > the carrier must engineer it with a licensed professional engineer > > > and seal it. If a fire-rated wall must be penetrated, the carrier > > > must fire-stop it. If asbestos must be investigated or abated, the > > > carrier must have it done. NONE of this is the building owner's > > > responsibility. The commenters, with perhaps few exceptions, are > > > notoriously poor performers in these areas. The ROW fee helps pay for > > > the building owner's effort to monitor construction and help prevent > > > the carriers from damaging his property. > > > > Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor right) to decide > > on behalf of the tenants who shall provide telecommunications services. > > > > I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the right to > > choose the provider. Period. > > -- > > The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail > > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >Date: 15 Oct 2000 05:54:43 -0400 >From: Linc Madison >Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices > >In article <39E961D4.CEF087C5@dallas.net>, Brian F. G. Bidulock > wrote: > > > Linc, > > > > I agree with you (particularly because I am living in a complex > > which restricts my choice). > > > > However, in the final analysis, doesn't the consumer have a choice? > > > > ...to move somewhere else where service is more to their liking... > >Sure. The consumer also has a choice ... to move to a country with more >sensible laws. The consumer also has the choice to forgo all >telecommunications services entirely and rely entirely on carrier >pigeons. > >That doesn't make the current situation acceptable. > >The status quo allows telecomms competition to be used to the advantage >of the landlord at the expense of the consumer of the actual services. >Telecomms competition should be structured to benefit the consumer. >- -- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > >------------------------------ > >End of Telecom Digest V2000 #88 >******************************* - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:02:59 EDT From: Paul Hrisko Subject: cmsg cancel <4.3.2.7.2.20001015134326.00af16e8@pop.prodigy.net> Spam that leaked through robot moderator ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 2000 22:31:54 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet Hello, Internet development was conceived, started, and funded in the late 60's by the U.S. military as part of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Most people who work in this field hold names like Kahn, Postel, et. al in very high esteem and credit them not only with inventing the internet, but also with changing the world for the better. But you are already aware of that. As you've pointed out, it was a collaborative effort. I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part, that you failed to mention it was also perhaps the most meticulously chronicled collaboration ever undertaken. The papers which concisely document the where, when, what, how, and WHO of this effort are called RFCs and IENs. They can be found at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html Among other places. Here you and anyone else who cares to (sorry), can search them up, down, left, right, near, and far, without ever finding the name "Gore". Solving the problems of the Internet Protocols was certainly a riddle for the men working on them, though they had them working pretty well long before Gore actually took office (he ran for congress for the first time in 1976, seven years after the project was started, six years after the Internet Protocol was first proffered in RFC 54). Here's a riddle for our high-tech / high-touch age: If a particular philosophy requires you to lie in order to promote it, is that philosophy worth lying for? Thanks for allowing another side to be read. :-) -John P.S.: If you're lurking, and are as weary of this stuff as me, my personal suggestion is you vote for Ralph Nader. He's not a DNC lackey, so if he lies or does something wrong in the oval office the press will actually tell you about it. That alone makes him look good. The fact that he actually offers sound, sane SOLUTIONS to problems we face in the next generation is icing on the cake. -John Outsider wrote in message news:39E85278.7BFD2AFF@yahoo.com... > Al Gore And The Internet > > By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf > > Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of > the Internet and to promote and support its development. > > No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the ...[cut] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 03:53:11 -0400 From: Ki Suk Hahn Subject: Re: Al Gore and the Internet > Subject: Al Gore And The Internet > > Al Gore And The Internet > > By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf > > Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize > the importance of > the Internet and to promote and support its > development. While I understand that Mr. Gore has been misquoted as saying he "invented the internet", I'm not sure I understand what it means to take the initiative in creating something. You either created something or you didn't. Yes, Mr. Gore is probably more internet-savvy than most people in Washington, but it's his penchant for stretching the truth that people are ridiculing when they misquote him. Ki Suk Hahn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 03:53:09 -0400 From: Ki Suk Hahn Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #88 > Subject: Al Gore And The Internet > > Al Gore And The Internet > > By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf > > Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize > the importance of > the Internet and to promote and support its > development. While I understand that Mr. Gore has been misquoted as saying he "invented the internet", I'm not sure I understand what it means to take the initiative in creating something. You either created something or you didn't. Yes, Mr. Gore is probably more internet-savvy than most people in Washington, but it's his penchant for stretching the truth that people are ridiculing when they misquote him. Ki Suk Hahn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 03:55:37 -0400 From: Ki Suk Hahn Subject: sorry for the double post Sorry for the double post. I wanted to change the subject and hit Esc, but the email had gone through. KSH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 05:01:54 -0400 From: "Doug Reuben / www.interpage.net" Subject: Continued AT&T CDPD Problems north of NYC As per my earlier post, AT&TWS seems to be initiating CDPD service in their newly acquired market(s) north of the NYC Metro Market, in Poughkeepsie and Kingston (roughly SIDs 00503 and 01513, maybe 01515 as well) Although the system is still branded as Cell One to local customers, AT&T acquired it about 7 or so months ago from US Cellular and/or some of the other minority ownerts (their web site -- not that anyone can easily find it -- has some weird branding, like "Robertson Cellular" or some no-name like that). In any event, under AT&T's ownership, the CDPD service, when completed, will create a large CDPD network surrounding NYC from the Alletown/Bethlehem/Scranton ex-Vanguard system in PA, to the Orange/Ducthess (Poughkeepsie) system in the Hudson Valley, to the Litchfield County CDPD system in CT (needs a lot of work, but there is some coverage). (Nothing to the south of NYC; AT&T customers need to roam on Bell Atlantic there and they block parts of it to minimize roaming; they may want to acquire the ComCast markets already and get a decent cellular and CDPD footprint south of NYC all the way to Maryland...) Anyhow ... as they continue to build out what will presumably at some point be the Poughkeepsie/Kingston CDPD market, the new signals from this market interfere with the extant signals along the NYC Metro system border (roughly along I-84/NY-52). Areas which USED to pick up the AT&T NYC Metro CDPD signal are now instead picking up the stronger Poughkeepsie system. This would be all fine and good BUT AT&T is not letting their OWN customers use this system (we get "Registration Denied" or the "No Response from Network" which seems to be how AT&T nicely rejects you from markets where they don't want you to roam (like BAMS in northern NJ, even in areas like Newton, NJ where AT&T doesn't have ANY coverage [they don't own Sussex County] but BAMS has strong coverage so you're basically stuck since they don't want you roaming in North Jersey even they AT&T doesn't cover and CAN'T currently cover as much as Bell Atlantic.)). So in effect, areas where the coverage worked great is now completely dysfunctional, and we can not use our AT&T IPs from areas where we used to be able to use them just fine. Indeed, areas which AT&T documents on their Web site as having coverage are now covered by the Poughkeepsie system, and thus unusable. As AT&T seems to be adding more and more CDPD enabled towers in the Poughkeepsie market, it is concomitantly effectively blocking access to their NYC Metro CDPD network, thus preventing customers from utilizing their wireless IP service (including Pockenet customers driving along I-84) in areas where it was previously available. Just in the past week, I noticed that areas of the Taconic Parkway and Carmel, NY, which used to have exceedingly good coverage from the AT&T NYC Metro Market (generally channels 670 to 696) are now getting the Poughkeepsie system (generally channels 40 to 74), and have now as well become unusable. In past attempts to inquire from AT&T Advanced Network Services (800) 552-3373 as to what is going on, we are given the runaround, with answers ranging from "There is no coverage there" to "We don't own that market" (both of which are incorrect and presented to us in such a flippant manner it is obvious the rep has no idea what areas we are even talking about). AT&T has so far failed to provide any answer as to when they will resolve this issue, and no explanation of what they can/will do to ensure that areas which *according to their published materials* should have working coverage will continue to do so until/if they allow access to the Poughkeepsie system. If anyone else has noticed this as well, and suffered difficulties logging in from areas where the Poughkeepsie signal blocks out the NYC Metro signal, please write to me at dsr1@interpage.net so I can get some more samplings of where problems exist in our attempt to determine the scope of this problem and thus be able to make demands upon AT&T for credits for service difficulties in areas where they indicate and their past performance provided *working* CDPD service. (This post and updated SID list are also available at www.wirelessnotes.org) Thanks! - -Doug Doug Reuben / Interpage(TM) Network Services Inc. / www.interpage.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 05:17:57 -0400 From: "Doug Reuben / www.interpage.net" Subject: BAMS/GTE Verizon Merge CDPD Services I was recently looking over the *Verizon* Web Site (not the BAMS one and certainly not the utterly un-informative GTE one) under the Wireless Data section. They now indicate (and a lot sooner than I expected!) that ALL Verizon CDPD markets will count towards the unlimited CDPD plans. The relevant text is as follows: - ---- All of these services include a connection to the Internet, so there's no separate ISP account needed, and unlimited usage anywhere in Verizon Wireless's extensive data footprint, all for a fixed monthly rate. (see http://www.verizonwireless.com/mobile_ip/index.html ) - ---- Thus, BAMS customers can now use their wireless IP's in the ex-GTE/SF, Honolulu, Bakersfield (nothing LA, Airtouch never had CDPD :( ), Texas, OH and other markets which were previously billed as roaming. I haven't tried it out yet to see if it actually works, if they do indeed allow you to roam, and if the bills are correct, but would love to hear from other people with BA IPs who roam to ex-GTE markets as to if it works and how their bills come out. A very positive step...! - -Doug (This post and updated SID list are also available at www.wirelessnotes.org) Regards, Doug Doug Reuben / Interpage(TM) Network Services Inc. / www.interpage.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #89 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Oct 16 23:46:18 2000 Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:37:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20001016223708.102.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #90 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 1e62b8710462c2ea6e8740dabb941ee7 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, October 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 090 In this issue: Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Telecom Update (Canada) #254, October 16, 2000 Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served Re: Al Gore and the Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore and the Internet Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served, but not for long Administrivia: getting missing digests Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, off ices Re: Al Gore and the Internet Re: Can the EU Preserve Web Privacy in England? Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore and the Internet Telephone Briefing on Third Generation Wireless Technology RE: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, off ices ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Oct 2000 10:20:22 -0400 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In accordance with the prophecy, John Repici wrote: > As you've pointed out, it was a collaborative effort. I'm sure it was just > an oversight on your part, that you failed to mention it was also perhaps > the most meticulously chronicled collaboration ever undertaken. The papers > which concisely document the where, when, what, how, and WHO of this effort > are called RFCs and IENs. They can be found at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html > Among other places. Here you and anyone else who cares to (sorry), can > search them up, down, left, right, near, and far, without ever finding the > name "Gore". > Solving the problems of the Internet Protocols was certainly a riddle for > the men working on them, though they had them working pretty well long > before Gore actually took office (he ran for congress for the first time in > 1976, seven years after the project was started, six years after the > Internet Protocol was first proffered in RFC 54). Modern rocketry dates back to Robert Goddard in the '20s. We had ICBMs in the '50s, and a fledgling space program three years before John F. Kennedy took office. Kennedy wasn't on the teams that designed the Saturn V, or the Apollo capsule, or solved any other engineering challenges. Since he wasn't a member of Congress, he wasn't responsible for allocating money for it. The idea wasn't his--it had been a popular theme in science fiction novels for decades, and has probably been floating around in human consciousness for millennia. And he died five and a half years before the events of July 20, 1969. Yet he's still credited with putting a man on the moon. Now, Al Gore is no Jack Kennedy. But if someone like Vint Cerf gives him credit for his work in supporting and promoting the Internet in Congress, helping to shape it into its present form, well, there are few other people whose opinions on the matter carry as much credibility for me. - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 10:45:44 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, offices Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: "However, in the final analysis, doesn't the consumer have a choice? "...to move somewhere else where service is more to their liking..." As a practical matter, not until the lease expires. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 10:46:14 -0400 From: Angus TeleManagement Group Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #254, October 16, 2000 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 254: October 16, 2000 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** GT Buys Customers and Fibre From C1 ** Telus Begins Toronto Fibre Build ** Manitoba Tel Founds E-Business Unit ** Number Conservation Proposed for 416 ** FCC Orders Open Access to Buildings ** Two Critics Elected to ICANN Board ** Three Carriers to Offer Microsoft Wireless Data ** Telus Consumer Division Based in Edmonton ** RIM to Offer Software for Corporate Info ** CRTC Approves Measured Service Increase ** Telus and Wysdom Ally for Wireless Web ** OnSite Access to Use AT&T Canada Network ** Canada Payphone to Supply Suncor Facility ** Wireless Site to Provide PCS Spectrum Auction Info ** Motorola, Teledesic Loosen Ties ** NBTel Interactive TV Has 1,000 Customers ** Nokia Begins Kanata Build ** Janisch Appointed to Law & Technology Chair ** Broadband Reaches the Backwoods ============================================================ GT BUYS CUSTOMERS AND FIBRE FROM C1: GT Group Telecom has purchased C1 Communication's assets and business in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia for approximately $70 Million in GT shares. The deal includes 2,375 route kilometres of fibre and 116 on-net buildings. ** C1, which is now an Ontario-based CLEC, was originally the telecom division of New Brunswick's Fundy Cable. It was formed in 1999 when Shaw purchased Fundy's cable TV business. (See Telecom Update #181) TELUS BEGINS TORONTO FIBRE BUILD: Telus and Metromedia Fibre Network say the first phase of their Toronto fibre net will be completed early in 2001. By the spring of 2002, they plan to install 864 fibre optic strands over 225 route kilometres, creating one of the largest metropolitan fibre networks in North America. MANITOBA TEL FOUNDS E-BUSINESS UNIT: MTS has launched Qunara E-solutions to offer e-commerce products and consulting services. Qunara replaces MTS's NGage Electronic Commerce. NUMBER CONSERVATION PROPOSED FOR 416: The 416 Relief Planning Committee has asked the CRTC to approve measures to avoid a telephone number shortage in 416. The measures include limiting customers' right to reserve numbers for future use, returning disconnected numbers to service more quickly, and releasing various held and administrative numbers for general use. ** The Committee wants these measures to remain in effect until the new 647 Area Code is introduced on March 5, 2001. FCC ORDERS OPEN ACCESS TO BUILDINGS: The U.S. Federal Communications Commission has forbidden telecom carriers from signing exclusive contracts with owners of multi-tenant commercial buildings. The FCC also ruled that incumbent telcos must allow competitors to use their conduits and rights-of-way in customer buildings and on campuses, and asked for public comment on extending this ruling to residential buildings. http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/News_Releases/2000/nrwl00 38.html TWO CRITICS ELECTED TO ICANN BOARD: The five new at-large members of the Board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Named and Numbers (ICANN) include two very vocal critics of the organization. The newly elected members of the 19-member Board are: ** North America: Karl Auerbach, a Cisco researcher who wants ICANN to get out of making trademark policy and create thousands of new top-level domains. ** Europe: Andy Mueller-Maguhn, a German student who is a member of the Chaos Computer Club, a hacker group. ** Africa: Nii Quaynor, an ISP owner in Ghana. ** South America: Ivan Moura Campos, chairman of Brazil's Internet Steering Committee. ** Asia/Pacific: Masanobu Katoh, a Japanese citizen who lives in the U.S. and works for Fujitsu. THREE CARRIERS TO OFFER MICROSOFT WIRELESS DATA: Microsoft has launched MSN Mobile service in Canada to provide online information and services (including e-mail, stocks, and sports scores) to wireless devices. Bell Mobility, Clearnet, and Rogers AT&T Wireless will offer the service this quarter. TELUS CONSUMER DIVISION BASED IN EDMONTON: Telus has announced that its new consumer division will be headquartered in Edmonton. The group was created as part of a corporate reorganization into "customer-facing business units," which Telus expects to complete in the first quarter of 2001. RIM TO OFFER SOFTWARE FOR CORPORATE INFO: Research In Motion has agreed to market Information Builders' WebFocus software, which will enable BlackBerry users to access corporate e-mail and other corporate data. CRTC APPROVES MEASURED SERVICE INCREASE: The CRTC has given interim approval to Bell Canada's proposal to increase the rate for Individual Line Message Rate Business Service from $31.80 to $34.95, effective November 10. (See Telecom Update #248) Until March 31, Bell will waive installation charges for customers who switch from measured rate to regular business service. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2000/O2000-923.htm TELUS AND WYSDOM ALLY FOR WIRELESS WEB: Telus and Richmond Hill, Ontario-based Wysdom Inc. have formed a strategic relationship to provide wireless Internet applications to business customers across Canada. ONSITE ACCESS TO USE AT&T CANADA NETWORK: OnSite Access, which provides telecom services in multi-tenant office buildings, has agreed to use AT&T Canada's network infrastructure. OnSite's owners include AT&T Corp, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, and PSINet. CANADA PAYPHONE TO SUPPLY SUNCOR FACILITY: Canada Payphone has a $25-Million, 10-year contract to supply Suncor's 3,800- person Fort McMurray oil-sands camp with phones, payphones, long distance, calling cards, and operator services. WIRELESS SITE TO PROVIDE PCS SPECTRUM AUCTION INFO: Industry Canada will post round-by-round PCS auction results on a portal accessible by Web-enabled wireless phones, at rils.ic.gc.ca/a.wml. Deputy Minister Peter Harder says this is "the first wireless portal operated by any government agency anywhere in the world." MOTOROLA, TELEDESIC LOOSEN TIES: Motorola is no longer the prime contractor for the planned Teledesic broadband satellite system, although it remains an investor. The change, described as a "mutual decision," follows Teledesic's merger with another struggling satellite venture, ICO. NBTEL INTERACTIVE TV HAS 1,000 CUSTOMERS: NBTel reports that its VibeVision interactive digital TV service, marketed since early this year, now has 1,000 customers in Moncton and Saint John. NOKIA BEGINS KANATA BUILD: Nokia has begun an expansion of their Kanata product-development facilities to accommodate an additional 300 employees. JANISCH APPOINTED TO LAW & TECHNOLOGY CHAIR: Telecom Update congratulates Hudson Janisch on his appointment to the Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt Chair in Law and Technology at the University of Toronto. Janisch, one of Canada's most respected authorities on telecom policy and regulation, has been a Professor in the U of T Faculty of Law since 1978. BROADBAND REACHES THE BACKWOODS: In the October issue of Telemanagement, Gerry Blackwell describes how rural coalitions in Ontario are taking broadband services where carriers fear to tread. Also in Telemanagement #179: ** "Whatever Happened to Unified Messaging?" by Allan Sulkin ** "New Attendant Systems Improve Service to Callers," by Daniel Stusser Until June 30, all new subscribers to Telemanagement will receive the 24 bonus reports in Tips, Tricks and Traps 2000. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 11:10:27 -0400 From: Ray/Rita Normandeau/Frazier AFTRA-SAG Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served In article <39E80449.35A404FB@animats.com>, John Nagle wrote: > Monty Solomon wrote: > > E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served > > By Ben Hammer > > 24/7 Media says the dot-com squeeze has caused a huge surge in the > > number of messages it sends out. > > http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,18939,00.html > > Don't worry. 24/7 Media does not have long to live. > Our automated dot-com collapse predictor at > > http://www.downside.com/deathwatch.html > > predicts a death date of November 30, 2000. That's when > they run out of cash. Their stock has already dropped > from 65 to 4 and is in a screaming dive, having lost half > its value in the last two weeks. Their latest SEC filing even says > "WE ANTICIPATE CONTINUED LOSSES AND WE MAY NEVER BE PROFITABLE." > > I don't think anyone else will try to IPO a spammer > for a while. > > John Nagle > Downside Maybe, it's sending out SOS messages. How long does Proctor and Gamble have? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 11:14:18 -0400 From: Fred Goldstein Subject: Re: Al Gore and the Internet In article <20001016080919.1710.qmail@web1506.mail.yahoo.com>, Ki Suk Hahn wrote: > While I understand that Mr. Gore has been misquoted as > saying he "invented the internet", I'm not sure I > understand what it means to take the initiative in > creating something. You either created something or > you didn't. Yes, Mr. Gore is probably more > internet-savvy than most people in Washington, but > it's his penchant for stretching the truth that people > are ridiculing when they misquote him. "Creation" isn't a black-and-white one-person thang. Gore never ever claimed to have "invented" the Internet; that slander was made by a Wired.com reporter, and the meme spread. He said he, as a Congress member, "took the initiative" in creating the Internet. In Congress, an "initiative" is a funding effort. Gore led the effort to get funding for NSFnet in 1987. Before then, there was an ARPAnet open only to defense contractors and a blessed few others. NSFnet was a major expansion of the federally-funded Internet to include universities nationwide. NSFnet evolved into the core of the commercial Internet, when commercialization was opened in 1993 or so. Three of the NSFnet regional member nets (NEARnet, BARRNET and SURAnet) were, for instance, purchased by the late BBN Corp; they became much of what's now Genuity. The NSFnet backbone grew, in some way or other, into what became MCI's and now C&W's backbone, and into what became ANS, now part of Worldcom's backbone. (That part, from the mid-90s, gets really confusing.) So NSFnet was not just a trivial research project; it was a major push for Internet funding that may well have been the part that put it over the top, in public awareness. Recall that in 1987, a lot of industry and even (especially?) government was pushing "OSI" as the network protocol suite of choice, but OSI was aimed at corporate multi-vendor networking, not so much as inter-company networking. The Internet idea, along with open-sourced (albeit rotten) code implementations from Berkeley, blindsided OSI advocates. Gore "got it" when hardly anybody else down there did. - -- Fred Goldstein fgoldstein@wn.DO-NOT-SPAM-ME.net Disclaimer: Opinions are mine alone. Sharing requires permission. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 12:21:30 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article , Peter F. Dubuque wrote: >events of July 20, 1969. Yet he's still credited with putting a man on the >moon. By whom? People who haven't heard of NASA, perhaps. >Now, Al Gore is no Jack Kennedy. Nor did Al Gore create the Internet. He's crowing about his 24 years of public service, and yet the Internet has just had its 25 or 30 year anniversary, I forget which. The Internet was being built before he got in office. >But if someone like Vint Cerf gives him >credit for his work in supporting and promoting the Internet in Congress, >helping to shape it into its present form, well, there are few other people >whose opinions on the matter carry as much credibility for me. Vint Cerf may have done that, we can't tell from the posting here. Anyone can put Vint Cerf's name on what they post and claim Vint said it. If he did, he did not credit Gore with creating the Internet, which is what Gore claims he did. Cerf is only trying to put a spin on Gore's nonsense by trying to say that Gore didn't say what he said. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 12:30:04 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Al Gore and the Internet In article <8sf5sf$hai$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fred Goldstein wrote: >"Creation" isn't a black-and-white one-person thang. Gore never ever >claimed to have "invented" the Internet; that slander was made by a >Wired.com reporter, and the meme spread. Gore apologists are amazing people. They can read a clear statement from their boy that he created something, and they can deny that he said it, or that it doesn't mean he actually created it, or whatever. Then they blame someone else for having said it. What's next? >He said he, as a Congress member, "took the initiative" in creating the >Internet. He wasn't a Congress member when the Internet was created, was he? 24 years of public service put him entering public life after the Internet was already created. >In Congress, an "initiative" is a funding effort. And in real life, "creating" means you have some contribution to its existance other than "funding". >Gore led the effort to get funding for NSFnet in 1987. Ummmm, so the Internet has been in existance only 13 years? I seem to recall seeing a date of 1972 on an RFC for FTP. How did we have FTP 15 years before anything to FTP over? >So NSFnet was not just a trivial research project; it was a major push >for Internet funding that may well have been the part that put it over >the top, in public awareness. It was not, however, the creation of the Internet. >Gore "got it" when hardly anybody else down there did. And thus his right to claim that he created it. Phhht. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 12:44:39 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served, but not for long >> Don't worry. 24/7 Media does not have long to live. >> Our automated dot-com collapse predictor at >> >> http://www.downside.com/deathwatch.html >> >> predicts a death date of November 30, 2000. That's when >> they run out of cash. Their stock has already dropped >> from 65 to 4 and is in a screaming dive, having lost half >> its value in the last two weeks. Their latest SEC filing even says >> "WE ANTICIPATE CONTINUED LOSSES AND WE MAY NEVER BE PROFITABLE." >Maybe, it's sending out SOS messages. >How long does Procter and Gamble have? P&G is profitable and is generating cash, not burning through it, so on that basis they'll live forever. Barron's published a cover story a few months back listing a whole lot of dot-com companies, how much cash they have, what their burn rate is, and by dividing those two, how long until they run out of money. They pointed out the now unsurprising fact that there were a whole lot of them that would run out of money in less than a year. There are a few Internet companies that make money, most notably AOL and Yahoo, along with smaller ones like Cheap Tickets, but far too many are living on borrowed time. ObTelecom: real telephone companies make pots of money. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 13:15:53 -0400 From: John R Levine Subject: Administrivia: getting missing digests I had a mail screwup last week, and I gather that some subscribers didn't get digest #83. (The host where Telecom lives is the same one that hosts abuse.net, and now and then some idiot mailbombs me.) Majordomo has a mail server that has all of the back issues since I moved the list here. To get #83, send a message to majordomo@telecom-digest.org that contains this line: get telecom-digest v2000.n083 Earlier digests are on Pat's web site at www.telecom-digest.org. Regards, John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org Telecom Digest moderator pro tem PS: Yes, it'd be nice to put the current ones there as well, but the site's a mess and I just don't have the time to figure it out or update it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 14:29:53 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet >>>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html <<<< Peter, re: "if someone like Vint Cerf gives him credit for his work in supporting and promoting the Internet in Congress" Where do you see any CREDIBLE evidence that this has happened? A message in a newsgroup from a nonvalid email address at yahoo that lists a bunch of hard left political sites at the end? How long have you been reading newsgroup messages? JFK is credited with this initiative: "putting a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth". He is not credited, nor would he take credit for, "inventing" rocketry, or even "taking the initiative in creating" rocketry (though, I don't see much difference between "inventing" and "taking the initiative in creating", I'll assume since all Gore supporters do, that just means you Gore supporters, like your candidate, are smarter than me). Some things I DO know, and ANYBODY can look up: o Internet development was FUNDED seven years before Gore took office. o The Internet was CREATED six years before Gore took office. ------- Other things I know: o The school where the little girl had to stand in the hall was NOT underfunded and overcrowded, rather it was full of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of new teaching equipment that hadn't been put away for that one day she had to stand. o Shall I go on? Sadly, I could list many more, from pet dogs, to vagabonds. Don't get me wrong Peter, I think Al Gore has many progressive ideas. Unfortunately, he, like his predecessor, is a liar. -John P.S. re: "Now, Al Gore is no Jack Kennedy". Shouldn't we be trying our best to elect another one? Please consider Ralph Nader, progressive ideas AND integrity. You know in your heart he's who our next president SHOULD be. :-) Peter F. Dubuque wrote in message news:k8EG5.255$Mf4.47333@news.shore.net... > In accordance with the prophecy, John Repici wrote: > ... > > Modern rocketry dates back to Robert Goddard in the '20s. We had ICBMs in > the '50s, and a fledgling space program three years before John F. Kennedy > took office. Kennedy wasn't on the teams that designed the Saturn V, or > the Apollo capsule, or solved any other engineering challenges. Since he > wasn't a member of Congress, he wasn't responsible for allocating money for > it. The idea wasn't his--it had been a popular theme in science fiction > novels for decades, and has probably been floating around in human > consciousness for millennia. And he died five and a half years before the > events of July 20, 1969. Yet he's still credited with putting a man on the > moon. > > Now, Al Gore is no Jack Kennedy. But if someone like Vint Cerf gives him > credit for his work in supporting and promoting the Internet in Congress, > helping to shape it into its present form, well, there are few other people > whose opinions on the matter carry as much credibility for me. > > > -- > Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:01:02 -0400 From: "Green, Andrew" Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, off ices >> The building owners still have total control over which >> telecom services enter the building, who is permitted in >> his risers, and who is allowed roof space, which is as >> it should be. > > AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my > apartment building should not have the right to restrict > my choice of telecommunications companies to provide my > local service. That's absolutely unreasonable and flat-out > unjustifiable. Linc, I agree with you in the abstract, but realistically the property belongs to the owner, and the owner gets to say who is allowed to drill holes in it. As a renter you simply don't get to go ordering products and services that require physical alterations to property that you don't own, and all the huffing and puffing in the world isn't going to change that. It's even in your lease: You don't get to redecorate the lobby, order new washers and dryers for the laundry room, or bang your own satellite dish on the roof. The restriction on telecommunication services to tenants is based on the physical access that's being granted by the owner, and if s/he doesn't want to allow a competing provider to move in, you're free to move elsewhere. > Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor > right) to decide on behalf of the tenants who shall provide > telecommunications services. > > I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the > right to choose the provider. Period. Where it affects his building or, by extension, the others living there, he gets to impose certain limits. You will note, for example, that nowhere is a building owner dictating what brand of cellular service must be used. - -- Andrew C. Green Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:10:51 -0400 From: k3ph@dxis.monroe.pa.us (Bob Schreibmaier) Subject: Re: Al Gore and the Internet In article <20001016080919.1710.qmail@web1506.mail.yahoo.com>, Ki Suk Hahn wrote: > >> Subject: Al Gore And The Internet >> >> Al Gore And The Internet >> >> By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf >> >> Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize >> the importance of >> the Internet and to promote and support its >> development. > >While I understand that Mr. Gore has been misquoted as >saying he "invented the internet", I'm not sure I >understand what it means to take the initiative in >creating something. You either created something or >you didn't. Yes, Mr. Gore is probably more >internet-savvy than most people in Washington, but >it's his penchant for stretching the truth that people >are ridiculing when they misquote him. Correct. He didn't create the Internet. As a senator from Tennessee, he sponsored legislation that eventually turned ARPANET into the Internet of today. That's the initiative he refers to. - -- +------------------- \-\-\-\ ----------------------------+ | Bob Schreibmaier K3PH | E-mail: k3ph@dxis.monroe.pa.us | | Kresgeville, PA 18333 | ICBM: 40o55'N 75o30'W | +--------------------------------------------------------+ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:21:30 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: Can the EU Preserve Web Privacy in England? re: "s/thwarted/delayed/" Wonder how many here know Perl/RegX. My guess is a lot. :-) -John - -- ReaderBoards.com Building a Community of call center industry people. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:39:15 -0400 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In accordance with the prophecy, John Repici wrote: > re: "if someone like Vint Cerf gives him > credit for his work in supporting and promoting the Internet in Congress" > Where do you see any CREDIBLE evidence that this has happened? http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml I suppose it's not inconceivable that someone from the Gore campaign hacked into Cerf's company's website and forged this page, and that Cerf is unaware of it, but let's just assume that these are Cerf's words until we get a public repudiation of them by the man himself. Occam's razor and all that, you know. > How long have you been reading newsgroup messages? Seven years, give or take a few months. I'm smart enough to not believe everything (or anything really) that appears in a newsgroup without outside corroboration, so give me a little credit. - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 16:37:43 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Al Gore and the Internet In <8sf5sf$hai$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fred Goldstein wrote: }He said he, as a Congress member, "took the initiative" in creating the }Internet. In Congress, an "initiative" is a funding effort. Gore led }the effort to get funding for NSFnet in 1987. Before then, there was an }ARPAnet open only to defense contractors and a blessed few others. }NSFnet was a major expansion of the federally-funded Internet to include }universities nationwide. NSFnet evolved into the core of the commercial }Internet, when commercialization was opened in 1993 or so. Three of the }NSFnet regional member nets (NEARnet, BARRNET and SURAnet) were, for }instance, purchased by the late BBN Corp; they became much of what's now }Genuity. The NSFnet backbone grew, in some way or other, into what }became MCI's and now C&W's backbone, and into what became ANS, now part }of Worldcom's backbone. (That part, from the mid-90s, gets really }confusing.) Some backing for this point of view, that Gore "took the initiative" in creating the Internet, comes from someone who can hardly be called a supporter of Gore or the Democrats. Last month, Newt Gringrich spoke in a colloquium for the American Political Science Association, broadcast live on C-SPAN. He had this to say: "In all fairness, it’s something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is—and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got there, we were both part of a “futures group”—the fact is, in the Clinton administration the world we had talked about in the ’80s began to actually happen. You can see it in your own life, between the Internet, the computer, the cell phone." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:25:23 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Telephone Briefing on Third Generation Wireless Technology THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release October 13, 2000 TELEPHONE PRESS BRIEFING ON THIRD GENERATION WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY BY TOM KALIL, SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT MARTIN BAILY, CHAIRMAN OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISORS, GREG ROHDE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF COMMERCE FOR COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION, LINTON WELLS, DEPUTY ASSISTANT FOR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND WILLIAM KENNARD, CHAIRMAN OF THE FCC http://www.pub.whitehouse.gov/uri-res/I2R?urn:pdi://oma.eop.gov.us/2000/10/16/11.text.1 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:38:49 -0400 From: Tony Vullo Subject: RE: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) This *MUST* be a hoax. I do not believe that Messrs. Kahn and Cerf would communicate with this forum via the unlikely e-mail address of "nonvalid_email@yahoo.com". - -----Original Message----- Date: 14 Oct 2000 08:35:44 -0400 From: Outsider Subject: Al Gore And The Internet Al Gore And The Internet "By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf"? - ----[ Start of Blather ]---- Blather deleted to reduce nausea. - -----[ End of Blather ]----- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:13:19 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) In <000001c037a7$10eff000$327b20a6@mcit.com>, Tony Vullo wrote: }This *MUST* be a hoax. I do not believe that Messrs. Kahn and Cerf would }communicate with this forum via the unlikely e-mail address of }"nonvalid_email@yahoo.com". The posted article does not claim that the content was written by the poster, but rather that the (anonymous) poster was posting something that had been written by Drs. Kahn and Cerf. Mr. Dubuque has elsewhere posted evidence* at least that Vint would support the factual content of that article, whether he cowrote it or not. /JBL * a reference to http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml perhaps 2/3 down the page. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:37:04 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: FCC adopts rules to open phone competition in apartments, off ices In article <51ED3F5356D8D011A0B1006097C30734035BE9B5@MARTINIQUE>, Green, Andrew wrote: > >> The building owners still have total control over which > >> telecom services enter the building, who is permitted in > >> his risers, and who is allowed roof space, which is as > >> it should be. > > > > AS IT SHOULD BE?? No, that's absurd. The owner of my > > apartment building should not have the right to restrict > > my choice of telecommunications companies to provide my > > local service. That's absolutely unreasonable and flat-out > > unjustifiable. > > Linc, I agree with you in the abstract, but realistically the > property belongs to the owner, and the owner gets to say who is > allowed to drill holes in it. As a renter you simply don't get to go > ordering products and services that require physical alterations to > property that you don't own, and all the huffing and puffing in the > world isn't going to change that. It's even in your lease: You don't > get to redecorate the lobby, order new washers and dryers for the > laundry room, or bang your own satellite dish on the roof. The > restriction on telecommunication services to tenants is based on the > physical access that's being granted by the owner, and if s/he > doesn't want to allow a competing provider to move in, you're free to > move elsewhere. My getting telecommunications services from a different vendor does not necessarily involve ANY physical alterations to the property. When physical alterations are necessary, they are often very minor. Further, in many cases, the restrictions placed on tenants' choice of services have NOTHING to do with physical alterations to the property, nor with access restrictions. They have to do with KICKBACKS from the landlord-selected monopoly company to the landlord at the expense of the tenant. There is no reasonable basis for such a regime. The landlord can set reasonable, competitively neutral requirements that apply equally to ALL vendors. No problem there. If my landlord doesn't want to allow a competing provider to move in, without some evidence of refusal or inability of the vendor to meet those reasonable requirements, I should be free to SUE THE LANDLORD. Period. > > Neither is it the building owner's responsibility (nor > > right) to decide on behalf of the tenants who shall provide > > telecommunications services. > > > > I'm buying the service, I'm paying the bills, *I* have the > > right to choose the provider. Period. > > Where it affects his building or, by extension, the others living > there, he gets to impose certain limits. You will note, for example, > that nowhere is a building owner dictating what brand of cellular > service must be used. "Certain limits," yes, but not capricious limits, nor limits whose sole purpose is to line the landlord's pockets at the expense of the tenant. To put it another way, where it DOES NOT affect the building, nor, by extension, the other tenants, the landlord DOES NOT get to impose ANY limits. The status quo allows him to impose any limits he wants. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #90 ******************************* From ???@??? 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I've scaled back the requirements a bit and still can't find anything. Can anyone help? I need: - - Built-in headset jack. - - Caller ID with THREE line (name, number, date/time) display (rules out the Polycom SoundPoint Pro and the Brother Quattro). - - Mute button (rules out Panasonic KX-TMC98-B). - - Buttons that don't drop keypresses when I dial fast (rules out the Sony IT-M804, Casio PhoneMate SI-460). Bonuses (I'm almost afraid to ask): - - Message Waiting Indicator - - Call timer Can anyone help? Or does anyone know someplace in Northern VA/Washington where you can actually TRY a phone before buying? - -- Jay Levitt | This is not the start of World War III Fairfax, VA | No political ploys jay@jay.fm | I think both your constitutions are http://jay.fm | terrific, so now you know - be good boys. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 00:38:27 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: E-Mail Marketing: Over 1 Billion Served, but not for long John R Levine wrote: > There are a few Internet companies that make money, most notably AOL > and Yahoo, along with smaller ones like Cheap Tickets, but far too > many are living on borrowed time. > > ObTelecom: real telephone companies make pots of money. Didn't Qwest get its start selling voice-over-IP? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 05:40:31 -0400 From: Michael Hartley Subject: B^H Goring People, I realise that it's election time in the US and tempers may get a bit frayed but can we *please* stop squabbling about US politicians and get back on topic? We're not all from the US. Politicians lie, or at best distort the truth. No surprise there. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #91 ******************************* From ???@??? Wed Oct 18 09:28:04 2000 Date: 18 Oct 2000 06:15:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20001018101513.29616.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #92 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: c9598a2703d5332afbbf71ca33870dd7 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, October 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 092 In this issue: Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) News: The changing face of telecom competition Re: Seeking Traffic Formula misdirected fax (was Re: Is it Legal When They Say This?) Net filtering bill nears vote Judge allows case against spam blacklist to proceed 10/17/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:43:07 -0400 From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet "John Repici" writes: > >P.S.: >If you're lurking, and are as weary of this stuff as me, my personal >suggestion is you > "...listen to some more of it - only from *me* this time." (Sigh) -Greg - -- ::::::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews gerg@panix.com ::::::::::::::::::: Never eat more than you can lift. -- Miss Piggy ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:47:03 -0400 From: Tony Vullo Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) Joel, I still believe that this *MUST* be a hoax. Please follow my reasoning. First, here is the language from the Cerf reference, verbatim (http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml): "What was Vice President Al Gore's involvement in the development of the Internet? "The Vice President was among the first of the members of Congress to recognize the importance of the Internet and his interest as far back as 1986 (to my certain knowledge) led him to sponsor legislation and to speak favorably about optical networks, high performance computing, and led to programs such as the National Research and Education Network program, the Next Generation Internet program and so on. "The Vice President has graciously and repeatedly explained that he really doesn't believe he "created the Internet" but he feels a justifiable pride in his support for the research programs that continue to drive Internet's growth and for legislative and administration initiatives to embrace and encourage the development of ecommerce on a global basis. His remark was almost certainly a slip of the tongue, because he'd be quite correct to say "I helped create the Internet" - because of his work to provide an environment of support for research, technology transfer and ecommerce initiatives so fundamental to the Internet today. "I think the Vice President is very deserving of credit for his active support for the Internet and the businesses that depend upon it daily." I believe that the text in the above-quoted reference communicates an historical fact, whereas the original e-mail from "Outsider " is an unsubstantiated and likely fallacious work. The justifications for my opinion are the anonymous source of the e-mail, and the obviously left-leaning, partisan-referenced URLs that followed it. If Messrs. Kahn and Cerf are interested in clarifying this, then a valid e-mail from them to this forum would suffice. Until then, I'll keep my opinion. Regards, Tony - -----Start, Original Message----- Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:13:19 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet (Hoax?) In <000001c037a7$10eff000$327b20a6@mcit.com>, Tony Vullo wrote: }This *MUST* be a hoax. I do not believe that Messrs. Kahn and Cerf would }communicate with this forum via the unlikely e-mail address of }"nonvalid_email@yahoo.com". The posted article does not claim that the content was written by the poster, but rather that the (anonymous) poster was posting something that had been written by Drs. Kahn and Cerf. Mr. Dubuque has elsewhere posted evidence* at least that Vint would support the factual content of that article, whether he cowrote it or not. /JBL * a reference to http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml perhaps 2/3 down the page. - - -- - -----End, Original Message----- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:42:04 -0400 From: Ralph Telecom Subject: News: The changing face of telecom competition The changing face of telecom competition CIMI's Tom Nolle peers into the future of carriers, and it's looking a bit messy. What seems certain is the rise of a few "super-regional Bell operating companies." What kind of network will they create? Nolle examines this question in this week's Reality Check. http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2000/1016nolle.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:49:47 -0400 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: Seeking Traffic Formula Hi, I know the link base at ReaderBoards.com has a link to a free Erlang-C online calculator. If you still need this (i realize I'm replying to a question from a year ago), let me know and I'll dig it up. -John - -- ReaderBoards.com Building a Community of call center industry people. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:49:48 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: misdirected fax (was Re: Is it Legal When They Say This?) This is responding to an almost year-old message about someone printing out a fax after starting to receive nuisance fax calls. I think it's quite understandable to try to find out what is causing it to reach you in error. You do get into privacy concerns, and out of courtesy you should try to forget what you have seen. However, my experience with receiving a few wrong-number calls over the years has not prevented me from having some anecdotes available -- like some wrong-number calls in- tended for a gynecology clinic! (The calls for the gynecology clinic were for the same 4-digit extension I had answered, EXCEPT that 2 digits were transposed.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 18:28:38 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Net filtering bill nears vote Net filtering bill nears vote But critics call it a 'troubling precedent' Oct. 16 - What does the ACLU have in common with the Texas Chapter of the Christian Coalition? Generally, these are not groups you see shaking hands in agreement. But what's got them united - and riled up - - is the Children's Internet Protection Act, a bill floating around the nation's capital, put forth by four Republican lawmakers, that could pass this week. http://www.msnbc.com/news/477343.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 18:39:43 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Judge allows case against spam blacklist to proceed Posted at 9:31 p.m. PDT Thursday, October 12, 2000 Judge allows case against spam blacklist to proceed BY TRACY SEIPEL Mercury News A Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge ruled Thursday that a New Hampshire company could pursue its claims against a local anti-spam organization, saying the company's allegation that it was damaged by being listed as a spammer has some merit. The case, which has raised a host of free speech and e-commerce-related legal issues, involves the conduct of Mail Abuse Prevention System, a widely used Redwood City company set up to help companies screen junk e-mail. http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/front/docs/maps101300.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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As we all know Verizon did > > not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. > > That's OK...Martin Sheen isn't really the president either. For that matter, note that in the show's world, this is not a presidential election year. If they're not following real-world chronology for *that*, I hardly think they need to do so for telephone company names. - -- Mark Brader "You have seen this incident, based on Toronto sworn testimony. Can you prove that it msb@vex.net didn't happen?" -- Plan 9 from Outer Space My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #92 ******************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 19 12:44:17 2000 Date: 19 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20001019101511.22473.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #93 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 35c394af0d280f2408a833f2f77be78e Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Thursday, October 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 093 In this issue: used to have postpay in Port Deposit (and Perryville too?) correction re 10/17/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Number similarities (was: misdirected fax) Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing Re: Ameritech and senior citizens Re: misdirected fax (was Re: Is it Legal When They Say This?) Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: used to have postpay in Port Deposit (and Perryville too?) Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: Number similarities (was: misdirected fax) Re: Al Gore And The Internet Re: used to have postpay in Port Deposit (and Perryville too?) California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Wireless local, then cellular ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 2000 09:39:23 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: used to have postpay in Port Deposit (and Perryville too?) In Maryland, in what's now 410, Port Deposit (and I believe also Perryville) still had postpay (putting in the money after the call answered) in the early 1980s, and I vaguely recall writing about this to telecom digest long ago. They have probably changed for the sake of uniformity. I recall having to ask for a refund when I tripped up w/r to postpay, probably a not uncommon occurrence, especially for people whose homes and workplaces are outside such exchanges. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* Judith Oppenheimer, 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, President, Domain Name & 800: Intelligence, Analysis, Leadership ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 10:37:23 -0400 From: Jay Levitt Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing In article <8sjj9t$1010$1@news.tht.net>, msb@vex.net says... > > > In the season opener of West Wing, there is a flashback to 3 years > > > ago. One of the characters is in New York City using a payphone. The > > > payphone is very neatly labeled VERIZON. As we all know Verizon did > > > not exist even 1 year ago, much less 3. > I think they're very cleverly, subtly, brilliantly showing us that this show takes place in the near future! - -- Jay Levitt | This is not the start of World War III Fairfax, VA | No political ploys jay@jay.fm | I think both your constitutions are http://jay.fm | terrific, so now you know - be good boys. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:31:56 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Number similarities (was: misdirected fax) Carl Moore wrote: "However, my experience with receiving a few wrong-number calls over the years has not prevented me from having some anecdotes available -- like some wrong-number calls intended for a gynecology clinic! (The calls for the gynecology clinic were for the same 4-digit extension I had answered, EXCEPT that 2 digits were transposed.)" We had a neat coincidence in Louisville a while back, when a music academy was one digit away from a store that sold ballet costumes. (Could have been worse -- Reader's Digest once told a story of an auto body shop that got a lot of calls from people who would gasp and hang up as soon as the mechanic answered the phone. Turned out that a local funeral home was one digit off, People calling funeral homes usually don't expect the phone to be answered, "Body shop!") - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 12:09:12 -0400 From: tweek@eris.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Telephone Glitch on West Wing msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes: >> >> That's OK...Martin Sheen isn't really the president either. > >For that matter, note that in the show's world, this is not a presidential >election year. If they're not following real-world chronology for *that*, >I hardly think they need to do so for telephone company names. Similar as in Clancy's latest paperback where while he takes into account the different timezones between the US and Australia when making phone calls, oddly, Clancy, usually someone who gets the technical details somewhat close to reality, placed the Olympics in the hottest summer days in Australia when the real 2000 Olympics occured at the start of the Australian Spring... artistic license since the hot weather was needed for the story line. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:10:58 -0400 From: Mousie Subject: Re: Ameritech and senior citizens Re: Ameritech and senior citizens The follow up story...... http://www.freep.com/news/metro/dicker18_20001018.htm COMPLAINTS about local phone service rarely yield dramatic changes in the way Ameritech does business. So it's a pleasure to note the exceptional case brought to my attention by Ralph and Janis Poole of Lansing. Last month, I wrote of the Pooles' indignation upon discovering that it would cost almost exactly as much to suspend local phone service during their annual winter sojourn to Florida as it costs them to maintain service when they're at home in Michigan. This week, Janis Poole called to tell me that shortly after that column appeared, Ameritech offered her a new, no-frills "vacation service" for snowbirds heading south -- one that costs less than half as much per month as the most inexpensive vacation option Ameritech offered previously. Ameritech spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said he knew of no recent additions to the service options available to vacationing customers, but acknowledged that "individual customers may be negotiating with our customer service representatives to work more inexpensive options." After paying two $13.03 fees to suspend and resume normal service, the new option will allow the Pooles to maintain their Michigan phone line (and their Ameritech phone number) for less than $10 a month, a fraction of their normal monthly service charge of $30. This was the original story..... http://www.freep.com/news/metro/dicker20_20000920.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:20:22 -0400 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: misdirected fax (was Re: Is it Legal When They Say This?) cmoore@ARL.ARMY.MIL (Carl Moore) wrote >like some wrong-number calls in- >tended for a gynecology clinic! ( Could have been worse, it could have been HQ for the Bush campaign. One of my favourites involved a travel agency that fired my friend's wife because she spoke of "eventually" opening her own shop. A few months later, my friend and his wife moved, and their new home phone number was...surprise...one digit different from the travel agency that fired his wife! So he would answer the phone "hello" and if it were someone calling the travel agency, they would ask, "Is this the --- agency?" He would reply, "Yes, and we're extremely busy so why don't you take your f@*king business elsewhere." He figures that judging by the gasps on the other end he probably cost them tens of thousands of dollars. - -- Life at work is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels. Some monkeys are climbing up, some down. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:25:31 -0400 From: rfranklin@altavista.net (Wm. Randolph Franklin) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article <39E85278.7BFD2AFF@yahoo.com> on 14 Oct 2000 08:35:44 -0400, iprospernow@yahoo.com writes: > Al Gore And The Internet > > By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf I`m directing a program in a federal agency, actively funding about 150 Principal Investigators (PIs). I guess that, according to Cerf, I can claim credit for all my PI`s inventions and discoveries. My resume is soon going to look pretty good, until my PI`s lynch me. - - ---- (Wm. Randolph Franklin) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:46:37 -0400 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: used to have postpay in Port Deposit (and Perryville too?) Carl, Putting in money after answer was called semi-postpay, I believe. We used to have a bunch up in Alberta where I worked for the phone company. As I recall, they used to cause a lot of havoc with payphone fraud and we had to have lots of coin operators to handle the load. On 18 Oct 2000, Carl Moore wrote: > > In Maryland, in what's now 410, Port Deposit (and I believe also Perryville) > still had postpay (putting in the money after the call answered) in the > early 1980s, and I vaguely recall writing about this to telecom digest > long ago. They have probably changed for the sake of uniformity. > I recall having to ask for a refund when I tripped up w/r to postpay, > probably a not uncommon occurrence, especially for people whose homes > and workplaces are outside such exchanges. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openswitch.org http://www.openss7.org/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 18:28:39 -0400 From: Kenneth Becker Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet "Wm. Randolph Franklin" wrote: > > In article <39E85278.7BFD2AFF@yahoo.com> on 14 Oct 2000 08:35:44 -0400, > iprospernow@yahoo.com writes: > > > Al Gore And The Internet > > > > By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf > > I`m directing a program in a federal agency, actively funding > about 150 Principal Investigators (PIs). I guess that, according > to Cerf, I can claim credit for all my PI`s inventions and > discoveries. My resume is soon going to look pretty good, until > my PI`s lynch me. > Hmm. Al Gore was a Senator to whom, I presume, some person(s) made a pitch to fund the nascent internet. Mr. Gore didn't >>have<< to run around, roust up support, write the bill, lobby it through Congress, and get it voted on in the Senate. He >>could<< have just punted them off to somebody else. That's not what happened, however. What would happen if >>you<< didn't direct your PI's and throw money at them effectivly? Do you have a supervisor who might have something to say about that, say at performance review time? Admittedly Senators have their performance reviews - once every six years at election time. However, what constituent of Gore's would have even recognized what that missed opportunity was about? Gore, back before there >>was<< an effective internet, recognized at least something of its potential and pushed funding (remember - that's what the legislative branch does for a living, >>funding<<) to help grow the nascent internet. He didn't have to work on it, but he did. So, this writer at least feels he deserves something of a break from those who misconstrued his words in the first place. Ken Becker - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 18:58:37 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Number similarities (was: misdirected fax) >>From 'Ed Ellers': >Carl Moore wrote: > >"However, my experience with receiving a few wrong-number calls over the >years has not prevented me from having some anecdotes available -- like some >wrong-number calls intended for a gynecology clinic! (The calls for the >gynecology clinic were for the same 4-digit extension I had answered, EXCEPT >that 2 digits were transposed.)" > >We had a neat coincidence in Louisville a while back, when a music academy >was one digit away from a store that sold ballet costumes. (Could have been >worse -- Reader's Digest once told a story of an auto body shop that got a >lot of calls from people who would gasp and hang up as soon as the mechanic >answered the phone. Turned out that a local funeral home was one digit off, >People calling funeral homes usually don't expect the phone to be answered, >"Body shop!") My old phone number, 216 381-1231, was not only one digit away from that of the South Euclid, Ohio police department (216 381-1234), but of course the 4 key is directly below the 1 key. We were relieved when 911 was finally set up in Cuyahoga County. At least I was. If I wanted to take police calls, I'd have taken the career course two of my friends took (they're both dispatchers). - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 20:16:50 -0400 From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In article <39EE23AF.BE0ED7E5@lucent.com>, Kenneth Becker wrote: >Hmm. Al Gore was a Senator to whom, I presume, some person(s) made a pitch to >fund the nascent internet. ] >>From http://www.algore.com/algore/index.html, "It was his determination to serve the families of Tennessee that first led him to run for Congress in 1976 --..." >>From http://www.isoc.org/internet-history/brief.html, "All this came together in September 1969 when BBN installed the first IMP at UCLA...". If he won when he first ran, he'd enter Congress in 1977. That's eight years AFTER the "nascent internet" was funded and first turned on. Presume all you want, but the internet was funded long before Gore got to the House. >Mr. Gore didn't >>have<< to run around, roust up >support, write the bill, lobby it through Congress, and get it voted on in the >Senate. That's right, he didn't have to. Someone else did. By the way, DARPA funding existed even before 1969. By the way, he wasn't in the Senate until 1984. How did he have a bill in the Senate before he was even elected to the House? >Gore, back before there >>was<< an >effective internet, recognized at least something of its potential and pushed >funding (remember - that's what the legislative branch does for a living, >>>funding<<) to help grow the nascent internet. I'm fascinated by this belief in political circles that funding the continuation of a project is the same as creating the results of the project. In the real world, people don't get creative credit just because they pony up money, and in Gore's case, the money was pony'd up before he got there and it wasn't his money. >He didn't have to work on it, but he did. Which part of the Internet did Gore work on? Now, you've used an active verb that implies much more than just voting on funding. It implies actual development effort. What part is Gore's? Why is his name not on an RFC for that work? Where is his creation? >So, this writer at least feels he deserves something of a break from those who >misconstrued his words in the first place. This writer thinks that Gore tried claiming credit where he didn't deserve it and all the appologists are now trying to spin the claim into something it clearly was not. Or should I get a patent on hot dogs because I gave a guy $1.50 today for a hot dog, and thus I created them! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2000 23:07:10 -0400 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: used to have postpay in Port Deposit (and Perryville too?) > In Maryland, in what's now 410, Port Deposit (and I believe also > Perryville) still had postpay (putting in the money after the call > answered) in the early 1980s, ... Here in beautiful Trumansburg NY, the telco payphones are still postpay. They're the old GTE style phones with the shallow metal buttons. For local calls, you pick up the phone, dial the number, and deposit your dime (yes, dime) when the called party answers. You can hear the other end all the way through, but they can't hear you until you pay. For anything other than a local call, you dial 0-NXX-NXX-XXXX. You even have to dial toll free calls as 0-800-NXX-XXXX. They know it's kind of a crock, but they have so few pay phones, not much more than a dozen in the three exchanges that they serve, that it's not worth fixing. I expect that most of the calls from the pay phones are ten cent local calls from people calling home, since the phones are at the three public schools, the laundromat, the two grocery stores, etc. There are now at least as many COCOTs as real pay phones. The COCOTs all charge a quarter for a local call, but many offer reasonable coin rates for long distance, as opposed to AT&T ripoff toll rates for coin calls at the telco phones. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 01:01:35 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in First a little background. These last few weeks I have been doing some data entry for a local company here in Seattle. Among the things I enter all day are area codes. I was entering area codes for all over southern California and mainly the Los Angeles area and noticed at least six codes in the Los Angeles area alone. I know that the California has had further area code expansion put on hold for reasons that I don't recall at this moment. At any rate it occured to me that a lot of the constantly changing area codes in California would not be necessary if they just "bit the bullet" and accepted overlays whenever they were needed instead of constantly splitting and splitting areas sometimes with no apparent logic. With overlays if you use up capacity in an area code you just pancake another new area code on top of it and of course you don't need to Pancake a new area code on top of each current area code. You can just take an area code and use it wherever you need to use it and when it's at capacity you just add another one. I know that there will come a time when we've completely exhausted the possible three digit area codes and we'll have to fix the area codes and/or subscriber number length, but that's for another time. As far as the "one area code" overlay I'm thinking in particular for what's in store for Washington state. I believe it's February of 2001 we're supposed to get a new overlay area code 564 in Washington state, but the difference from the way it's been done in a lot of other places is that 564 will be for all of western Washington the same as 206 was originally. The thing about a one area code overlay for a whole region is that you don't waste codes as they are doing in eastern Massachusetts. As far as the mandated 10 or 11 digit dialing the truth is that in most of these areas (such as southern California) many calls have to be dialed with that many digits any way so mandating it on all calls should not I think be that onerous. It will also save people from having yet another area code change to adjust to. Now here's my question in this why is it necessary in California, New York, Chicago (among the places that I know) is it necessary to dial 11 digits (1+area code+number) to make a "local" call. Why is it not just area code plus 7 digits? Does it have something to do with the local "toll" thing/message unit thing or combination of both? TIA Joseph - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 05:05:51 -0400 From: David Clayton Subject: Wireless local, then cellular In Australia we have a company offering a GSM handset which is charged as a "local" service in your own area, but becomes a normal GSM service when you leave that area. They are marketing it as a cheaper home phone, (well, cheaper than a second land line), while you use your land line for the Internet etc. Is anything similar being offered in North America? - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #93 ******************************* From ???@??? Fri Oct 20 08:24:29 2000 Date: 20 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001020101510.19410.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #94 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 93f36e0b69fc26e3485ed5daa8e52987 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Friday, October 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 094 In this issue: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in eager to know about site. Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Government groups at odds on Net filtering The Throwaway Credit Card 10/19/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES PCS service below the ground Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Re: PCS service below the ground Re: PCS service below the ground dot tel = ENUM + ICANN-granted policy authority over E.164 + trademark rights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Oct 2000 07:18:04 -0400 From: John Grossi Subject: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in >The thing about a one area code overlay for a whole region is that you >don't waste codes as they are doing in eastern Massachusetts. By the end of 2001 MA will have 10 area codes. Once they figure out what to do w/413. I'm betting for an area code split myself. The Pioneer Valley keeping, and the Berkshires getting a new one... but your right, it's a waste... 79 million phone numbers locked up by a state of slightly greater than 6 million folks. BUT this has all been good for competition, since we now have a competitive local phone market or so the PUC voted when the gave Verizon LD approval earlier this week. Maybe now Verizon can hurry up and buy Genuity back... - -John - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 07:20:53 -0400 From: Diamond Dave Subject: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Reading the recent posts on post pay pay phones.... The only post-pay pay phones that I'm aware of are in Breezewood, Pennsylvania (Frontier/Global Crossing, formerly the Breezewood Telephone Company), though as recently shown, there are obviously more scattered around the country. In the Breewood area, this dates back to the days when they were step by step (they're now Nortel DMS-100). With so few pay phones, I guess it would make sense to not bother having equipment to provide full pre-pay service to their pay phones. Though many of their pay phones have been replaces with COCOTs, the few telco ones that are left work great. Of course, when you make a long distance phone call from one of these pay phones, the AT&T operator that comes on the line is startled to find that you're calling from a post-pay pay phone and don't immedately know how to handle the call (AT&T, the charge is.... uh, what do I do now??) Local calls are 35 cents. When the called party answers, the telco switch reverses line polarity and mutes the mouthpiece until the money is inserted. There used to be a pay phone that would work without inserting in any money :-) Directory assistance in their home NPA (814) is 35 cents also. When the directory assistance system returns answer supervision, there is again line reversal. So you have to quickly insert 35 cents and say the informatio to the now automated service before it drops you to an operator! In regards to another post, I remember the town where my grandparents lived (Onaga, Kansas - (785) 889 prefix) where it was a really small central office (step by step at the time) where you dialed 0-NPA-XXX-XXXX for any call outside the local area, even on 800 toll free calls (went to the operator, drove them nuts!) Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). Not all #5 crossbar offices had pre-pay, (as some were more modernized with "dial tone first") but there were many that did. Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! Dave Perussel Webmaster - Telephone World http://phworld.tal-on.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 08:22:31 -0400 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Joseph Singer writes: > Now here's my question in this why is it necessary in California, New York, > Chicago (among the places that I know) is it necessary to dial 11 digits > (1+area code+number) to make a "local" call. Why is it not just area code > plus 7 digits? Does it have something to do with the local "toll" > thing/message unit thing or combination of both? Because they use "1 means areacode follows" rather than "1 means long distance" (which is the way Washington and Oregon do it). It *may* go along with the mindset that allows them to accept *mandatory* residential measured service. Me, I'm glad that mandatory measured service is *illegal* in Oregon, and that we can't dial a long distance call without adding a 1 on the front. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 13:42:10 -0400 From: "VIJAY NARAYAN" Subject: eager to know about site. am a little curious about this site. it does not load on my browser. would like u to tell me more about it. i do not know how i got to this page. what does the site provide. Vijay ay - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 15:20:43 -0400 From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Leonard Erickson wrote: : It *may* go along with the mindset that allows them to accept : *mandatory* residential measured service. Which mandatory measured residential service would that be? I've been in California for a while, and I've never had measured service. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 15:49:58 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Government groups at odds on Net filtering Government groups at odds on Net filtering WASHINGTON--A congressional commission is set to recommend voluntary Internet filtering in schools and libraries, but Congress itself is poised to pass a bill that would go a step further and mandate such technology. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-3237543.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 15:56:33 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Throwaway Credit Card October 18, 2000 The Throwaway Credit Card MBNA, the largest independent Visa and MasterCard issuer, says its service offers a more secure way to shop online. By Ronna Abramson Following American Express 's launch of a similar product last month, MBNA , the world's largest independent credit card issuer, announced plans Wednesday to give consumers a more secure way of shopping online, with a disposable credit card number. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19505,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:04:13 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/19/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************ ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - DOT TEL WANTS TO SET E.164 NUMBER POLICY Top level domain applicant .tel wants to rule global telephone numbering. It wants to assign trademark property rights to end users. Its got substantive backing, and it knocks ENUM off the plate. 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Though perhaps in denial, this TLD application (a technical mirror of ENUM) provides a look into the policy potential of ENUM. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4661 F - IRISH FIRM SEEKS .AFRICA TLD Andrew McLaughlin, ICANN's chief policy officer, says the fee may have discouraged applications from African countries with unfavorable exchange rates, but that it was a necessity. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4657 F - YOU SAY YOU WANT A REVOLUTION ICANN is a government, the first true world government with real power, because it can seize your domain name, your business and your online life. 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Maya Online provides Chinese-language news items under the domain name www.cnnews.com. The firm rejected CNN's claims. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4660 F - .XXX/.KIDS APP SOLICITS POLITICAL SUPPORT "The words 'sex' and 'porn' are consistently at or near the top of the list of words entered into search engines, and lead quickly to free samples of hard-core material," said Bruce Watson, president of Internet watchdogs Enough is Enough. "We agree with the concept of an adult domain, which would make the content easier to isolate." 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Most of the stations are above ground; the five stations just north of downtown are all below ground. One in particular (Peachtree Center) is 185 (?) feet below ground level, and there are some tremendously long escalators to get from street level to train level. My PCS phone loses service when I am deep in that station. Not a surprise. What does surprise me is that other people waiting for the train *do* have service. Are they using analog phones? Could their service (Verizon? BellSouth? Powertel?) have put local antennas in the underground stations? How is it that my phone announces "Looking for service" but theirs continue to work? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 20:39:53 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Leonard Erickson wrote: > Joseph Singer writes: >> Now here's my question in this why is it necessary in California, New York, >> Chicago (among the places that I know) is it necessary to dial 11 digits >> (1+area code+number) to make a "local" call. Why is it not just area code >> plus 7 digits? Does it have something to do with the local "toll" >> thing/message unit thing or combination of both? > Because they use "1 means areacode follows" rather than "1 means long > distance" (which is the way Washington and Oregon do it). Right so far. We standardized on this at a time when some parts of the state could dial any call as 7 or 10 digits, and other parts used 1 + seven digits for calls within the same code that weren't local. It was a big improvement. California also, sensibly, allows 1 + 10 digits for ANY call, even if it's local, without causing any change in how the call is charged. This should be required throughout the NANP, it makes life MUCH easier for laptop users. > It *may* go along with the mindset that allows them to accept > *mandatory* residential measured service. California has never had that, though we do have mandatory BUSINESS measured service. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 22:06:22 -0400 From: Jack Hamilton Subject: Re: PCS service below the ground Ted Koppel wrote: >My PCS phone loses service when I am deep in that station. Not a >surprise. What does surprise me is that other people waiting for the >train *do* have service. Are they using analog phones? Could their >service (Verizon? BellSouth? Powertel?) have put local antennas in the >underground stations? How is it that my phone announces "Looking for >service" but theirs continue to work? My guess is that Sprint just has poor service. When I was in Atlanta earlier this year, my phone worked only intermittently in my hotel room (the downtown Marriott). It works only sporadically in Indianapolis. Coverage drops here at various places in Sacramento and Oakland, and along the heavily traveled I-5, I-80, and US 50. So why am I still with Sprint? I'm not sure. I guess it's too much trouble to change phone numbers, which is what they're counting on. I wish they had a flat-rate dual-mode phone plan. - -- Jack Hamilton Broderick, CA jfh@acm.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 23:25:47 -0400 From: scsmediafmp@aol.com (Steven Scharf) Subject: Re: PCS service below the ground Being able to chnage service at will is why I never gave out my cell number, but forwarded as needed. After moving my office to my home, it was forwaded semi permanetly. Having now moved to Maine, I have gone back to only forwrding when I go out. And wouldn't you know it, Verzion gave me an excellent easy to remeber cell number that any business would kill to get. 207-233-9191 and I was able to get just as easy a business line number 207-774-9393. Folks in New York would kill to get those two numbers. And I don't even have to pay for a vanity number. Steven Scharf SCS Media Services PO Box 4135 Portland, Maine 04101 Tel: 207-774-9393 Fax: 207-774-1819 SCSMedia@aol.com Jack Hamilton jfh@acm.org answered: My guess is that Sprint just has poor service. When I was in Atlanta earlier this year, my phone worked only intermittently in my hotel room (the downtown Marriott). It works only sporadically in Indianapolis. Coverage drops here at various places in Sacramento and Oakland, and along the heavily traveled I-5, I-80, and US 50. So why am I still with Sprint? I'm not sure. I guess it's too much trouble to change phone numbers, which is what they're counting on. I wish they had a flat-rate dual-mode phone plan. - -- Jack Hamilton Broderick, CA jfh@acm.org - -- Ted Koppel wrote: >My PCS phone loses service when I am deep in that station. Not a >surprise. What does surprise me is that other people waiting for the >train *do* have service. Are they using analog phones? Could their >service (Verizon? BellSouth? Powertel?) have put local antennas in the >underground stations? How is it that my phone announces "Looking for >service" but theirs continue to work? The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2000 23:45:15 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: dot tel = ENUM + ICANN-granted policy authority over E.164 + trademark rights New York, NY October 19, 2000 (ICB TOLL FREE NEWS) Buried among and receiving little notice within the 47 new TLD applications under public review is .tel, "A Top-Level Domain For The Emerging Internet-Telephony Industry" sponsored by Pulver.com and iTAB (Internet Telephony Addressing Board.) Its premise is ENUM with a twist. ENUM is E.164 telephone numbers, currently accountable to the ITU, to ride the .ARPA top level domain space, which is accountable to ICANN/Commerce, resulting in one global VoIP network, accountable to -- who? While ENUM portends to trickle down authority through the FCC's of the world, .tel can read the dot on the wall and specifies, "iTAB seeks authority from ICANN ... over the core policies that define the utilization of ".tel" as a shared resource for bridging the addressing gap between legacy telephone numbers and emerging standards of the Internet-Telephony industry." Furthermore, "Following the current practice with all Internet top-level domains, the registration of E.164 numbers in the DLS will be managed by a single trusted "Registry". It is assumed that this exclusive Registry function will fall under the regulatory control of ICANN." Two levels below ICANN in the .tel food chain is the "E.164 Registrant: E.164 Subscriber or designated representative that registers numbers and an associated ADS in the top-level DLS." Bodacious doesn't come close -- and yet architecturally speaking, .tel is on the mark. The process starts with an end-user picking up a phone and dialing a telephone number. The IP-PBX looks at the number and tries to make a least cost routing decision. The least cost option is to connect the call over the Internet. The higher-cost back up is to send the call out over the existing telephone network (PSTN). In order to send a call out over the Internet the IP-PBX needs to check a global directory to determine if the telephone number can be translated into an Internet address for an IP-PBX or IP-phone at the distant end. The .tel TLD is the top-tier of a globally distributed directory solution that enables end-users to register their phone numbers on the Internet and associate those phone numbers with any number of IP-enabled communications devices (phone, fax, e-mail, PDA, etc.) As the top-tier of the global system, the .tel TLD simply provides a pointer to the appropriate location where authoritative Internet address information is stored for a given number. The IETF-ENUM working group is engaged in defining an implementation standard for representing a legacy telephone number as a domain name on the Internet. .tel TLD will utilize the ENUM naming approach. But that's where they part ways. "One of the core tenets of our registration policies is to reinforce the property rights of "subscribers" in the E.164 name space," David Peek, Directory of Technology Strategy, tells ICB. Whereas "the e164.arpa (ENUM) structure delegates control of all registration functions to the 240+ government entities that regulate the PSTN today," Peek says. Gordon Cook (http://cookreport.com) confirms this, reporting, "... since ENUM becomes a single point of control and also a single point of failure, the way in which services are provisioned will be absolutely critical... Under the ENUM business model there will be only a single ENUM provisioning authority for each nation state." Cook reports that ENUM chair Richard Shockey says the IETF and ITU have agreed not to break the e164 mould which means that each national telephone numbering authority will be asked to decide who will provision ENUM services within its borders. Shockey had advised ICB similarly of the IETF's intent to come to accord with the ITU, and politically, ITU cooperation is necessary to move ENUM forward. But architecturally, ENUM is e164.arpa - that's "dot" arpa. Dots are ICANN dominion, and like it or not, the IETF ranks below ICANN in the dot food chain, though Cook says the ultimate source of authority is unclear. Is it DOC's Karen Rose? Is it ICANN's Louis Touton? The Internet Engineering Committee? Perhaps we should be looking at the World Intellectual Property Organization - WIPO. Peek tells ICB, "By comparison [with ENUM], our ".tel" structure gives registration control to subscribers on a global basis." How? By indulging ICANN's WIPO-steroidic demands for trademark protection, promising that "E.164 numbers are being viewed as Intellectual property and/or trademarks of the subscriber who maintains "day-to-day" control over the services for an E.164 number." Try as we might, ICB hasn't been able to find one trademark attorney among the myriad of trademark attorneys roaming the net, that finds this statement credible, or even viable. Per one particularly colorful esq, " E.164 numbers - telephone numbers - are not trademarks. They are excluded from protection as being functional," concluding, "I don't give a rat's pitootie if they say the they say, "the registrants' body odors are being viewed as IP and/or trademarks". That does not make it so - and can't." But Peek and his .tel may be onto something. In its Sponsoring Organization's Proposal, .tel "seeks authority from ICANN" to establish trademark status for .tel names because its a core policy "that define[s] the utilization of ".tel" as a shared resource for bridging the addressing gap between legacy telephone numbers and emerging standards of the Internet-Telephony industry." A quick look at WIPO/ICANN activity including the excesses of the UDRP, reminds one that this isn't your father's food chain any more. ICANN assign trademark status? Stranger things have happened. Cook also writes of ENUM's proposed policy that the consumer must be given absolute and total control over his ENUM services which may become the single tool set to controls his business and personal communications. But ENUM doesn't tell us how this will be done. And a closer look at ENUM standards reflects that "service provider" and "consumer" as discussed in this context, can be used somewhat interchangeably. Both ENUM and .tel are pandering, we believe, to corporate interests. Neither quite gets there -- but there's a storm brewing in ICB's crystal ball. In past articles ICB has raised the issue of fundamental paradigm shift from telephone governance to internet governance with regard to ENUM. .tel conveniently helps to bring the point home. Let's suppose for a moment that our trademark attorney friend is mistaken, and the tm fairy WIPO leaves .tel trademark status under .tel's pillow. Taken one level up from the subscriber to simple trademark characteristic assigned to the .tel "property", its not much of a stretch to envision trademark owners of translating alpha marks, challenging the subscriber of E.164 digit strings and matching .tel assignments. The .tel application reads, "Advocates of the "e164.arpa" [ENUM] PSTN-centric model support the vision that telephone numbers are "owned" by (and should be exclusively controlled by) the regulatory entities that created the numbers in the first place. This is certainly a valid statement from the PSTN perspective." By comparison, ".tel" imbues the end user subscriber with trademark characterized property rights. We agree with .tel that assignment of "property rights" to the E.164 digit string and matching .tel assignment would be a welcome relief from the traditional PSTN "public resource" ownership. But layering on WIPO-infested "IP" and "trademark" law could be a disaster. Its unfortunate that ICANN requires the tld applicants, .tel included, to play on WIPO’s turf, but that is part of the problem, and its certainly not the solution to true concerns about outdated PSTN control. Especially when you factor in the ICANN domain revocation policies that remove ownership of all domain names, including those belonging to trademark owners, from the domain holder, up the food chain to ICANN. Peek, like Richard Shockey, is an IETF ENUM working group participant, and tells ICB, "We support the vision that ICANN and the IETF must have a close working relationship to provide proper governance to the Internet community. Within this vision we support ICANN’s authority to create an appropriate TLD, like ".tel", for the Internet Telephony industry. In addition we support the IETF’s authority to define technical standards that utilize a TLD, like ".tel", created by ICANN." But Peek rejects Shockey's vision of nation-state authority over ENUM/.tel. And Shockey, with all due respect, gets apoplectic at the mere mention of an ICANN-controlled ENUM. Yet the actuality is the same whether .arpa or .tel: no matter which, ICANN regulates domains, and folding phone numbers into the dot environment, places phone governance subservient to internet governance. And until internet governance rids itself of ICANN self-interest and WIPO domination, it is not a user-friendly alternative to nation-state regulatory authority. Peek and his .tel partners are (mistakenly, or intentionally) only replacing PSTN with ICANN, and adding in a layer of WIPO at that – whether above ICANN, or between ICANN and end users, depends on your politics. In the U.S. portable toll free arena, while the FCC claims the numbers are a public resource, it nonetheless grants end users "control" over their subscribed numbers and service. Something starkly missing from ICANN regulation of domain names. In fact, in lieu of granting domain owners control, ICANN imposes blanket revocation policies, which do not exempt trademark owners nor their domain names. Shockey's ENUM may fall short of escaping ICANN's grip, but for the moment he's got the better idea, even as the promise of .tel's "property interest for end-user subscribers" makes us wish it were so. POSTSCRIPT ENUM's .arpa has been assigned for use by the Internet Architecture Board (IAB) and the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG). There's no love lost between these standards groups and ICANN, but ultimately we believe that ICANN sits at the top of the food chain. ENUM states it does not want ICANN's policy rule, but rather "nation-state" authority. As noted above, this may be contractually feasible, but is architecturally questionable. And the nation-state authority over ENUM in the U.S., could be ICANN-daddy Commerce. .tel, on the other hand, put its $50,000 on the tld application table. It not only accepts, but covets ICANN's rule, or at least ICANN's authority to make its own rules. And its board of directors is none too shabby.** A birdy whispers that .tel is dead in the water, the protocol supporting organizations telling ICANN's Louis Touton to trash the application or forget about their support. It's ICANN's decision. It's Commerce's decision. It's WIPO's decision. We shall see ... **in addition to Jeff Pulver and David Peek: Joseph Rinde, AT&T Labs: Joe is the Director of Internet Technology at AT&T Labs and he brings a lifetime of data network technology development expertise to the iTAB Board. From 1974 - 1983 Joe was the architect of the Tymnet network as it grew from 150 nodes to over 1,500 nodes. Joe wrote the central control program for the network and later managed the development of all the network internals and CCITT interfaces. >>From 1983 to 1985 Joe was Director of Advanced Product Development at Amdahl's data division. From 1985 to 1989 Joe was a marketing Director at Equatorial Communications, the pioneer of the VSAT industry. From 1990 - 1991 Joe was VP of Marketing for PEER Networks, a start-up that designed network based computer platforms. From 1991 - 1993 Joe was an independent consultant. Among his assignments was a key roll in the development of MCI's Hyperstream Frame Relay network. In 1993 Joe joined MCI as a Director in data services engineering. In 1995 Joe joined Vint Cerf's data architecture group where he has worked on universal dial access networks, World Wide Web based services and IP Telephony services. In 1999 Joe joined AT&T to lead their IP Telephony architecture efforts including long distance, local access over cable and other technologies. Ike Elliot, Level3: Ike is Sr. Vice President of Softswitch Services for Level 3 Communications. Mr. Elliott, a recognized leader in the development of multi-service IP networks, is Chairman of the International Softswitch Consortium, and in 1998 was chairman of the Technical Advisory Council that produced the IP Device Control specification for media gateway control. Also, he is co-author of the Media Gateway Control Protocol specification. Prior to joining Level 3 Communications in 1997, Mr. Elliott held several positions with MCI Communications for 8 years, including positions in management, architecture development, research, and software development. Mr. Elliott holds a bachelor’s degree in Computer Science from James Madison University (1986), and a master’s degree in Computer Science from Johns Hopkins University (1992). Mr. Elliott holds seven patents in the fields of network monitoring, intelligent networks, billing, and Internet multimedia. Ami Amir, RADVision: Ami is the Founder and CEO of RADVision an Israeli company that is at the forefront of pioneering real-time communications over packet networks. Amir is heavily involved in defining the direction and the future of VoIP, with a heavy focus on open standards based solutions. RADVision was the first company to build VoIP gateways, was the first to offer gatekeepers, was the first to provide a reliable V2oIP (Voice and Video over IP) solution, and is a leader in providing the underlying protocols for VoIP. Under Ami's leadership, RADVision has grown to over 250 people, achieved a market leadership position and gone public on the NASDAQ exchange (RSVN). Eric Sumner, President and CEO Dynamicsoft: Eric brings to DynamicSoft the management skills and Internet telephony expertise honed during a 15-year career at Lucent and AT&T. As the first chief technology officer of Lucent's Service Provider Networks group - a $30 billion plus global business delivering a full range of products and services to telecom service providers - Sumner drove Lucent's voice-over-IP strategy. Most recently, as vice president, ventures, Sumner built a portfolio of high-growth ventures, including elemedia, Lucent Echo Solutions, Lucent Speech Solutions and Excel Switching. Previously at Bell Labs, Eric's accomplishments included establishing the research organization that created VXML; leading one of the first research teams to study IP telephony; and founding the AT&T InfoLab, the largest research organization focused on service provider information technology. Eric earned a bachelor's degree and a Ph.D. in engineering sciences from Harvard University. Ofer Gneezy, President & CEO, iBasis: Founded in 1996, iBasis is a global leader in advance Internet-based communications for international service providers. As a co-founder of iBasis, Ofer is one of the true visionaries of the IP telephony industry. Ofer was an early believer in the power of the Internet to change global telecommunications and quickly established iBasis as the first provider of toll quality voice-over-IP service. As a result, 11 of 12 U.S.-based carriers, including Tier One carriers, are iBasis customers today. Ofer has forged powerful strategic alliances with industry leaders including Cisco Systems, Hewlett-Packard, EMC Corp. and Software.com. The iBasis Network is the world's largest Cisco Powered Network for Internet telephony. In 1999, Ofer lead iBasis through a highly successful IPO followed by an even more successful secondary offering in early 2000 raising more than $500 million in total. Prior to founding iBasis, Ofer was president of Acuity Imaging, Inc., a multinational leader in industrial automation technology. Ofer lead Acuity to achieve significant increases in earnings, revenues and stockholder equity before successfully orchestrating the company's acquisition by RVSI, the second largest company in the industry. Ofer is a graduate of the Advanced Management Program at the Harvard Business School and has an M.S. in engineering from M.I.T. and a B.S. in engineering from Tel-Aviv University. Alistair Woodman, Director, Marketing Packet Telephony Solutions, Cisco Systems: Alistair has been working in the communications industry for over 10 years and has a broad background in defining and marketing products in the data and telephony protocols space. Alistair started his career managing multi-protocol products for Apple Computer and About Software Corporation before joining Cisco Systems in 1996 to define strategy and product direction for Cisco's Internet-Telephony products. Alistair has been involved with the Voice over IP industry since it's inception. He has a B.A. in Physics from Trinity College, Oxford and an M.Sc in Industrial Robotics & Manufacturing Automation from Imperial College, London. Jerry Chang, President, CEO and Founder, Clarent Corporation: Prior to co-founding Clarent Corporation, Jerry was chief architect of voice and message system development at OnLive! Technologies, where he developed industrial strength real-time voice chatting via the Internet. Prior to OnLive! Jerry spent more than ten years managing software engineers in the development of database and data management software. Seven of the ten years were spent as manager and developer of Gupta's client server database solution. Jerry holds a Bachelor of Engineering from Chiao-Tung University in Taiwan, and a Masters of Computer Science from Penn State University. Copyright © 2000 ICB, Inc. http://www.icbtollfree.com All rights reserved. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Sat Oct 21 11:29:42 2000 Date: 21 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001021101510.14122.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #95 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: fc89c460699c8abdb4fae9252698e52d Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Saturday, October 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 095 In this issue: Re: PCS service below the ground Re: Al Gore And The Internet tone-only page Re: tone-only page Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in Question on SS7 bearer routing Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing Re: Wireless local, then cellular 10/20/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES service theft problem Re: service theft problem DMA Announces Ad Blitz to Confront Privacy Problems Argentina Adopts Tough Data Protection Law Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Re: service theft problem No Filtering Recs in COPA Report Relaxed encryption exports get green light ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Oct 2000 10:53:49 -0400 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: PCS service below the ground On 19 Oct 2000 19:15:08 -0400, Ted Koppel wrote: >Background: I have Sprint PCS service in Atlanta (dual band phone). I >sometimes take the local transit system (MARTA) to get to work. Most of >train *do* have service. Are they using analog phones? Could their >service (Verizon? BellSouth? Powertel?) have put local antennas in the >underground stations? How is it that my phone announces "Looking for BellSouth has microcells in the underground stations and has for some time. (Last I checked, which was sometime in late 1998, they were analog-only microcells; they *may* be digital by now.) With a dual-band SPCS phone you can roam on BellSouth for 39c/min. (Powertel customers with dual-mode phones can also roam; Verizon customers can't. :( ) - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 11:32:02 -0400 From: INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com (J.D. Baldwin) Subject: Re: Al Gore And The Internet In the previous article, Peter F. Dubuque wrote: > > Where do you see any CREDIBLE evidence that this has happened? > > http://www.wcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml In that URL, Cerf credits Gore's involvement with Internet funding to 1986 and later. The Internet, by that time, wa nearly 20 years old and was quite large, robust and growing. There were already commercial ISP's in existence. Gore helped DARPA get funding for something for which funding was not in serious jeopardy. I'm sure Cerf is grateful for the efforts Gore and his staff (probably almost entirely the latter, actually) made on behalf of DARPA funding, hence his nice (but largely content-free) words on his behalf. But if Gore had stayed on that tobacco farm and never gone to Washington, the Internet would be more or less exactly what it is right now. Most of its participants in the late 1980's already saw it coming, and a few dollars this way or that out of Congress wasn't going to affect it much. - -- _+_ From the catapult of |If anyone disagrees with any statement I make, I _|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also \ /$LASTNAME@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer ***~~~~----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 12:00:05 -0400 From: Carl Moore Subject: tone-only page Recently, my pager went off (vibrator mode only, for the usual reasons of activities not to be disrupted by such) and when I went to look for a number on the display, I found "TONE ONLY". What's the meaning of that? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 12:17:51 -0400 From: Andrew Subject: Re: tone-only page Carl Moore wrote: > Recently, my pager went off (vibrator mode only, for the usual reasons > of activities not to be disrupted by such) and when I went to look for > a number on the display, I found "TONE ONLY". What's the meaning of > that? I think that this means the mesage was garbled. I see this message when I was test my pager near a known dead spot. Andrew - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 13:38:18 -0400 From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in In article <3.0.5.32.20001018213925.007e8da0@oz.net>, Joseph Singer wrote: >Now here's my question in this why is it necessary in California, New York, >Chicago (among the places that I know) is it necessary to dial 11 digits >(1+area code+number) to make a "local" call. Why is it not just area code >plus 7 digits? Does it have something to do with the local "toll" >thing/message unit thing or combination of both? Historically, it has to do with the lack of "1+ means Toll" in those 3 areas. The "old" rules there were: 1) Never use 1+ for 7-digit dialing and 2) Always use 1+ for 10-digit dialing. These areas did not have a problem when inter-changeable Office Codes (NXXs that look like the original N0X/N1X area codes) were introduced. [In Chicago, the question would be "why is it necessary to dial 11 digits for an intra-NPA Toll call? Why is it not just 7 digits?"] More significantly, it is because the NEW area codes assigned in the Chicago LATA already existed as Office Codes in the OLD areas. With the exception of 708, they all look like old-style Office Codes. Thus 312-630-444x and 630-444-xxxx are both valid numbers. The 1+ prefix is used to distinguish them. It might have been POSSIBLE to arrange for the NEW area codes to be assigned to a territory that was never a LOCAL call in an area where the conflicting Office Code was also a local call, but that would have required folks in the OLD NPA changing to 1+ dialing for intra-area calls. There was no demand (cause even in the OLD area local calls were dialed to adjacent OLD areas with 1+). And eventually (with 312 being a very compact area) there would not be any intra-area Toll calls at all. In other words, there are areas where the 2 numbers above could BOTH be local. Finally, I'd note that you CAN do 10-digit local dialing in Chicago WITHIN the NPA, because the NPA's code is never a valid Office Code within that NPA. And you can also do 1+10-digit dialing WITHIN the NPA. In other words, 1+10-digit works for every call, and 7-digit works for every intra-NPA call. (There may be individual COs where this does not work, but it should be widespread.) Al Varney - just my opinion - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 15:45:45 -0400 From: Fred Goldstein Subject: Re: California's area code mess from an outsider looking in In V2000 I094, John Grossi wrote: >>The thing about a one area code overlay for a whole region is that you >>don't waste codes as they are doing in eastern Massachusetts. > >By the end of 2001 MA will have 10 area codes. Once they figure out what >to do w/413. I'm betting for an area code split myself. The Pioneer Valley >keeping, and the Berkshires getting a new one... but your right, it's a >waste... 79 million phone numbers locked up by a state of slightly greater >than 6 million folks. BUT this has all been good for competition, since we >now have a competitive local phone market or so the PUC voted when the >gave Verizon LD approval earlier this week. You have to read the Mass. DTE decisions to understand what "lame" can mean! Eastern Mass. split a couple of years ago and is now doing an overlay. BEFORE the last split, they were warned, and they could have gotten permission to use 1000s-block pooling, the way NH did. But no, the DTE didn't, and the numbers were gone immediately (pent-up demand). Then they looked at some bizarre forecasts and decided that they'd not run out of numbers until after the EMass. overlay could be installed, and they'd rather do that then impose 1000s-block pooling. Then they immediately ran out of numbers in 508 and 617, so CLECs (or cellcos or even the ILEC) can get NO new 508 prefix codes until the overlay is effective next summer! And for years they've resisted consolidating rate centers, there being over 200 of them in Eastern Mass. alone. Their excuse? Not needed, because the {split, overlay} will be needed before they can do so. And of course 413, which ten years ago had the second-fewest number of prefix codes in use in the country, doesn't need a new code either. 1000's block pooling would fix it, and the FCC authorized that for nationwide use. So would unassigned-number pooling, though that hasn't yet gotten the FCC's green light. Western MA 413 needs a new area code the way Bosnia needs more land mines. I sense a pattern here. The Celluci/Connolly DTE seems to take its orders from Arlington, VA, home of a certain Bell that can't hide behind a new name. This is not "good news for competition"! The DTE has been assiduously anti-CLEC. Their decisions don't seem to be pro-competitive -- they do overturn Bell positions but almost always the Bell position is so flagrantly in violation in federal law that the DTE knows it would be thrown out. So they're really just proofreading Bell's positions for legality. And not even doing that role well. The Mass. AG opposes the 271 application. >Maybe now Verizon can hurry up and buy Genuity back... What do you mean "buy back"? Bell Atlantic Corp. d/b/a VZ already owns 82% of Genuity, and has moved its people into positions of control. GTE is deader than East Germany or the Roman Empire. The "buy back" routine is just a stock scam: VZ has figured out a trick to take GENU's massive-and-growing losses and take them off of their own SEC books, giving themselves up to five years to reduce the losses or turn to a profit, at which time they'll wave their magic wand (zero-strike-price options) and re-attribute the GENU P&L to their bottom line the way the late GTE did. GENU's plummeting stock price may indicate that the Street is getting wary of being VZ's pawn in this scam. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 16:20:00 -0400 From: Tony Jones Subject: Question on SS7 bearer routing I have a question on how bearer/cic routing occurs within and between SS7 networks. Mostly interested in the US. All the text books I have read discuss quasi-associative for the signalling path but don't discuss how the voice path is setup. I'm sure it varies greatly within each US network but I was wondering if there was a standard for routing between networks. LEC to long distance and LEC to "10" access providers are two specific examples I'm curious about. Someone told me that there were some number of core tandems, which if you wanted to be a 10* access player, you needed to co-locate with. Similar in concept I guess to the IP NAP system. If anyone know of any resources discussing this please LMK. As much detail as possible about actual US methods would be great. Bellcore specs, web pages, books, article pointers etc would be greatly welcomed. Thanks Tony - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 18:45:52 -0400 From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: Question on SS7 bearer routing In article <200010202011.NAA06710@seagull.rtd.com>, Tony Jones wrote: >I have a question on how bearer/cic routing occurs within and between >SS7 networks. Mostly interested in the US. All the text books I have read >discuss quasi-associative for the signalling path but don't discuss how the >voice path is setup. >I'm sure it varies greatly within each US network but I was wondering if there >was a standard for routing between networks. LEC to long distance and LEC to >"10" access providers are two specific examples I'm curious about. Summary: There's a "voice network" and an SS7 "signaling network". They know nothing about each other. Switches use the SS7 signaling network to communicate, but switches (and their interconnecting trunks) ARE the voice network. There are books on SS7 that discuss voice path setup. At a high level, everything works just like MF TRUNKING between switches (COs and tandems). With MF, a switch looks at the destination number and other call information, selects an outgoing trunk to the next switch and outpulses the desired destination information to that switch. The receiving switch either has a line/PBX for the desired destination or uses the same process to find another outgoing trunk. After answer, the circuit that was the signaling path is now the voice path. (It helps to think of a switch as a switchboard operator -- basically, they do the same thing. The switchboard operator selects an outgoing circuit, talks to the next operator over that circuit ["Mable, call for XXX-XXXX"] and plugs the incoming call into that circuit. Now Mable does the same thing, until the desired telephone is reached.) With SS7, nothing fundamental changes, except that at the point the switch would normally outpulse digits to the next switch, it packages those digits and other information into an SS7 ISUP message and sends it to the Point Code associated with the outgoing trunk that was already selected. The Point Code is an SS7 label identifying the switch at the other end of the trunk. (This would be the equivalent of the switchboard operator calling up the next switchboard with a cell phone and saying "Hey, Mable, I plugged in a call on circuit 52-12, and they want to talk to XXX-XXXX." The call SIGNALING went over a different network that the call CIRCUIT.) To reach a specific long distance network (identified by a carrier code, which you called a "cic"), an MF switch will signal "0ZZ-XXXX" in front of the called-party digits and the billing information digits. The XXXX identifies the desired long distance network. An SS7 switch does the same thing, except the XXXX is put into another part of the ISUP message sent to the next switch. The word "routing" used here has several meanings. The SS7 network "routes" messages between switches using their Point Codes. Those same switches "route" calls by selecting outgoing trunks -- which are dedicated point-to-point circuits between switches. The SS7 "message network" never sees a voice path and doesn't know anything about trunks or circuits. And switches could care less how the SS7 "message network" routes the ISUP messages -- for all they know, there could be a dedicated SS7 link to every switch to which they send signaling messages. Al Varney - just my opinion - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 19:02:23 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Wireless local, then cellular David Clayton wrote: "In Australia we have a company offering a GSM handset which is charged as a "local" service in your own area, but becomes a normal GSM service when you leave that area. "They are marketing it as a cheaper home phone, (well, cheaper than a second land line), while you use your land line for the Internet etc." I haven't heard of this yet, but normal rates here are cheap enough (and include enough pre-paid airtime) to allow many people to do exactly what you mention. I happen to have "call forwarding on busy" that throws calls to my PCS phone when my land line is tied up (or if I take the phone off hook when I go out); this is available very cheaply in the U.S., and (IMHO) deserves to become very popular. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 22:41:24 -0400 From: Fred Schimmel Subject: service theft problem My son is having a problem where it appears that someone is bridging his line and making toll calls and 900 line calls. He calls the phone company, they say it's an outside line wiring problem, they say they fix it and then next month more strange numbers are on the bill. It is an apartment complex, but I don't know if there is a phone cross-connect panel in a service room or if it is one in a public area. Someone is committing service theft and has picked my son's line(and probably several others too). The bills keep mounting, and the phone company hasn't been good about credit for the bogus calls. Has anyone who has been in this kind of situation been able to get the problem solved? and get restitution from the phone company? Any suggestions on how he should procede? (and if anyone from Verizon - NJ is reading along, please help fix this) - -- Fred Schimmel fws@prodigy.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:10:44 -0400 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: service theft problem fws@IEEE.org (Fred Schimmel) wrote >My son is having a problem where it appears that someone is bridging his >line and making toll calls and 900 line calls. He calls the phone >company, they say it's an outside line wiring problem, they say they fix >it and then next month more strange numbers are on the bill. It is an >apartment complex, but I don't know if there is a phone cross-connect >panel in a service room or if it is one in a public area. Doresn't even have to be at the cross connect panel. Most high rises have a 25 pair or two of them running up the vertical between floors, all the culprit has to do is pick a pair going through the box on his wall, tap on, and make the calls. That box is where they pick up the quad that is going to the other jacks in the apartment. I'd suggest checking the wall phone outlets one by one until you find the one with all the pairs in it. Then call in the local TV station, show them the bills, show them the wiring and how easy it is for someone to tap in to all of the lines in the building. Be sure to mention the word "porn" and even if Verizon can't track them down you've figured out how it is done. Verizon will hate you but they will take you VERY seriously because you will become their number one PR problem. Your account will be marked in some special way and they will fix your problems first the next time because they'll fear you. When dealing with phone companies, fear is a very valuable tool. - -- "While we're gone, if any talking animals tell you to buy some tacos or beer, for God's sake do what they say." - -- Casey McCall, "Sports Night" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:36:16 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DMA Announces Ad Blitz to Confront Privacy Problems ***DMA Announces Ad Blitz to Confront Privacy Problems NEW ORLEANS -- The Direct Marketing Association is initiating a major privacy consumer education campaign, President/CEO H. Robert Wientzen told a packed crowd yesterday at the DMA's 83rd Annual Conference and Exhibition here. The campaign, which will stretch out over a three-year period, will consist of advertisements, opinion pieces, Web ads, and articles in newspapers and magazines. The effort will enable the DMA to set the record straight on privacy, change consumers' mind-sets about privacy, and let them know how marketers use information and how consumers will benefit, Wientzen said. http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11089.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:38:31 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Argentina Adopts Tough Data Protection Law Argentina Adopts Tough Data Protection Law NEW ORLEANS -- The Argentine Congress has adopted the stiffest data protection law in Latin America. It is modeled on the German version of the European Union's data protection directive. Alejandro di Paola, a former president of the Argentine Direct Marketing Association, said that it could have been worse -- the Congress was also considering the Italian version of the law, which is based on strict consumer consent before any direct marketing activities are allowed. http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11083.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:40:14 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or opt-out basis, according to a new survey. Seventy-two percent of the 1,760 participants in the study, dubbed iCustomer Observer, said they have no preference as to how they receive e-mails and Internet newsletters, said Chuck Curtis, CEO of Valentine Radford Advertising, Kansas City, MO, the ad agency that conducted the survey. http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11052.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:51:26 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: service theft problem >>From 'Fred Schimmel': >Has anyone who has been in this kind of situation been able to get the >problem solved? and get restitution from the phone company? Any >suggestions on how he should procede? Has he complained to the state public utilities commission and/or the attorney general? - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 00:13:05 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: No Filtering Recs in COPA Report No Filtering Recs in COPA Report by Declan McCullagh and Nicholas Morehead 10:20 a.m. Oct. 20, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- A federal porn commission has refused to take a stand on whether filtering software is a good idea or not. In a 49-page report sent to Congress on Friday, the panel made 12 specific recommendations, but neither an endorsement nor a condemnation of the controversial smut-blocking programs was included. http://www.copacommission.org/report/ http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39582,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 00:16:15 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Relaxed encryption exports get green light Relaxed encryption exports get green light WASHINGTON (October 19, 2000 4:37 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - - After years of pressure from the computer industry, the Clinton administration is letting companies export powerful encryption programs to almost two dozen foreign governments. Starting Thursday, the security products can be sold to members of the European Union, as well as Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary. http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/body/0,1634,500270563-500421503-502621147-0,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #95 ******************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 22 06:05:05 2000 Date: 22 Oct 2000 06:15:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20001022101509.21437.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #96 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 95a7a724f978ae4198f88d79f754a49a Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Sunday, October 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 096 In this issue: Re: service theft problem Re: service theft problem Re: service theft problem Re: Web-based email services offer employees little privacy Re: service theft problem re-dialer or dialed number "editor" Re: re-dialer or dialed number "editor" Electronic Telegraph -- Internet users face Ł5m bill over BT error Uncreative Destruction: Internet in the Balance -- George Gilder in WSJ Do You Know Where Your Kids Are? Re: service theft problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Oct 2000 07:39:27 -0400 From: David Lind Subject: Re: service theft problem In article <39EFBD49.54CF@Prodigy.Net>, fws@IEEE.org wrote: > My son is having a problem where it appears that someone is bridging his > line and making toll calls and 900 line calls. He calls the phone > company, they say it's an outside line wiring problem, they say they fix > it and then next month more strange numbers are on the bill. It is an > apartment complex, but I don't know if there is a phone cross-connect > panel in a service room or if it is one in a public area. Someone is > committing service theft and has picked my son's line(and probably > several others too). The bills keep mounting, and the phone company > hasn't been good about credit for the bogus calls. > > Has anyone who has been in this kind of situation been able to get the > problem solved? and get restitution from the phone company? Any > suggestions on how he should procede? > Just a guess... Find out where the access panel is for the phone lines are and have this secured as well as a new lock to the room in which it is located. Maybe the building manager can help. I would talk to other tenants. The phone lines to a friends complex are located in the laundry room. If I were a thief, it would be easy to get access. -- David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 08:04:13 -0400 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: service theft problem In sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >>From 'Fred Schimmel': [story of someone apparently tapping into his son's phone line and making lots and lots of unwanted calls] >>Has anyone who has been in this kind of situation been able to get the >>problem solved? and get restitution from the phone company? Any >>suggestions on how he should procede? There are a bunch of possibilities here. a) I've got to point this out: it's possible your son is lying. Among other reasons to suspect this: If somone else is tying up his line making lots of fraudulent calls, there's a good chance that he'd bump into them on occassion when he picks up his telephone (or someone calling him would get a busy signal). Now, if he (or a roommate) isn't making teh calls, we go to some factual issues: b) As others have pointed out, if he's in an apartment building or similar complex, then there's a big panel box in the basment where his, and dozens of other phone lines, enter. It's trivial to patch into them through a brute force wiretap. BUT, BUT, BUT... people who know how to do this are unlikely to stay on teh same circuit since it makes it easy to backtrack. The telco security folk might, among other tricks, check the 75 suspicious calls and look for a pattern, etc. (Yes, some of these assholes are dumb, but not too many of them). Another possibility is that there's a "bridge tap" on the line. It often turns out that not only does the circuit appear at the box in the basement, BUT it might also run to five other boxes, including one three miles away. (Bridge taps are one of the great secrets of the phone system. They're also one fo the biggest headaches around). These are a consequence of the way phone wires were run and then spliced and respliced and rerouted, etc. Anyway, this means that a rewiring of teh last fifty feet to your son's apt isn't always going to help. AND there's another possibilty: c) fradulent billing: What telephone company is printing up these bills? It's not unheard of for some of them to make charges up out of thin air. AND d) computer/modem fraud: There are all sorts of nifty computer programs you can download from (typically) porn sites without even realizing it. These will make your modem dial out to a whole bunch of extra cost (900 and international) calls. ANYWAY, what to do: 1) run, do not walk, to Radio Shack and get a "line in use" lamp. This will let your son know as soon as someone picks up that other extension. (This *might* not work on a bridge tap depending on how far away it is, etc.) 2) have the line BLOCKED for "900" and international calls. Also, perhaps, for all toll calls. Make them using a calling card. 3) Lean on the telco to clean this up. Have them verify that your son's line is direct copper from teh central office to the basment box, and that there are no other appearances or bridge taps. If there are any, ahve them fix it. 4) Another useful option (but this one is a bit tricky, especially in NJ) is to have the line converted to an ISDN circuit. You *might* be able to get the telco to place a dedicated ISDN de-converter box in your son's apt and pretend that it's all a regular phone line tariffwise. Even if the nogudnick patches into the ISDN circuit he won't be able to do anything. This might actually be easier if your son has multiple lines.. (An ISDN circuit gives you the equivalent of two phone lines on that single pair). - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 10:17:41 -0400 From: Roy Smith Subject: Re: service theft problem heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) wrote: > Doresn't even have to be at the cross connect panel. Most high rises > have a 25 pair or two of them running up the vertical between floors, > all the culprit has to do is pick a pair going through the box on his > wall, tap on, and make the calls. Box? What box? In the last apartment building I lived in, all that was done was to run a 25-pair cable up a stack of bedroom closets. At at each floor, they left a loop in the cable, sliced open the outer sheath, and fanned out the pairs inside, right in the clothes closet. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 12:19:49 -0400 From: tongtao_98@yahoo.com (Tao Tong) Subject: Re: Web-based email services offer employees little privacy In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >Web-based email services offer employees little privacy > >By Rachel Konrad and Sam Ames >Staff Writers, CNET News.com >October 3, 2000, 1:30 p.m. PT > >Everyone knows the boss can read all of the email you send and >receive through your corporate account. > >Unfortunately, security experts say many employees would be surprised >to know that Web-based email services also offer little privacy. >Messages sent via a Yahoo or Hotmail account, or through instant >messaging products, such as ICQ or America Online's Instant Messenger >(AIM), are just as accessible to nosy employers. > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-2924978.html >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. They can always use PGP, right? - -- Tao Tong 1327 E15th Street, 2nd Floor Brooklyn, NY 11230 http://www.geocities.com/tongtao_98/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 16:08:35 -0400 From: "Reed Blake" Subject: Re: service theft problem Don't forget that if he has an older cordless phone, some one else in the area with the same type of phone could be connecting to his base station. Roy Smith wrote in message ... >heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) wrote: >> Doresn't even have to be at the cross connect panel. Most high rises >> have a 25 pair or two of them running up the vertical between floors, >> all the culprit has to do is pick a pair going through the box on his >> wall, tap on, and make the calls. > >Box? What box? In the last apartment building I lived in, all that was >done was to run a 25-pair cable up a stack of bedroom closets. At at >each floor, they left a loop in the cable, sliced open the outer sheath, >and fanned out the pairs inside, right in the clothes closet. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 18:13:22 -0400 From: Michael Grant Subject: re-dialer or dialed number "editor" I am looking for a small device which I can program to redirect an outgoing call or rather "edit" the number being dialed. I'm imagining a small box that I can plug in a telephone and an external line (or said otherwise, a box which goes between the telephone and the outside line). When I pick up the telephone, I get a dial tone. If I were to dial 0800123456, the box would turn around and dial 0044800123456 for me on the outside line. It would edit the number by chopping off the leading 0 and replacing it with 0044. Does such a box exist or anyone have any plans on how to simply build such a box? I tried to search the archives but couldn't really figure out what to call this sort of thing. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:01:38 -0400 From: "Andy Berry" Subject: Re: re-dialer or dialed number "editor" "Michael Grant" wrote in message news:200010212211.AAA03801@splat.grant.org... > I am looking for a small device which I can program to redirect an > outgoing call or rather "edit" the number being dialed. I'm imagining > a small box that I can plug in a telephone and an external line (or > said otherwise, a box which goes between the telephone and the outside > line). When I pick up the telephone, I get a dial tone. If I were to > dial 0800123456, the box would turn around and dial 0044800123456 for > me on the outside line. It would edit the number by chopping off the > leading 0 and replacing it with 0044. > > Does such a box exist or anyone have any plans on how to simply build > such a box? I tried to search the archives but couldn't really figure > out what to call this sort of thing. You want what I call a "dialer" (AKA speed dialer or auto dialer). All kinds of businesses use these, but the most prevalent is (was?) by long distance companies before equal access to dial an access number, so that the customer only had to dial "1+". I'm pretty sure that they are versatile enough to do what you describe, but I have never used one in this way, so you might check. Check out the following link. (Note: I have never used either the Smart 1 or this company, I just did a quick search to find an example.) http://www.telsoftinfo.com/mitel.htm Andy B. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 23:18:30 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Electronic Telegraph -- Internet users face Ł5m bill over BT error BRITISH Telecom (BT) is struggling to claw back Ł5 million from its customers after a computer fault gave them free access to the internet for six months. Up to a million users of internet services managed by BT on behalf of other firms have unwittingly been getting free calls. Now the customers, possibly including those whose internet access is provided by W H Smith and Tesco, are being hit with big backdated bills. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003672982144297&rtmo=r2kbrEFX&atmo=rrrrrrvs &pg=/et/00/10/22/nbt22.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 23:23:49 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Uncreative Destruction: Internet in the Balance -- George Gilder in WSJ Gore's policies would lay waste to cyberspace. BY GEORGE GILDER A few weeks back, Al Gore, mocking his own penchant for hyperbole, bantered with David Letterman's "Late Show" audience: "I gave you the Internet--and I can take it away." This is no joke. While Republicans waste time with captious critiques of the straight-arrow Gore's credibility and character, the real threat posed by the Democratic candidate is utterly ignored. Mr. Gore's policies would impose an energy, tax and regulatory garrote on the Internet. http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=65000446 (Unlike The Wall Street Journal's main site, OpinionJournal does *not* require registration.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 2000 23:40:24 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Do You Know Where Your Kids Are? Do You Know Where Your Kids Are? by Declan McCullagh 2:00 a.m. Oct. 21, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- Federal agencies seem to be having problems satisfying a children's privacy law. The U.S. Justice Department's kids' website collects information about minors without asking for parents' permission. That appears to violate the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act. The law does not normally apply to federal agencies, but the Clinton administration pledged to abide by its guidelines this summer. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39607,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2000 04:41:58 -0400 From: "Ron Bean" Subject: Re: service theft problem dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) writes: >c) fradulent billing: > >What telephone company is printing up these bills? It's not unheard of for >some of them to make charges up out of thin air. How common is this, and how do you prove it? Some time ago I mentioned a bogus 900 charge that showed up on my bill a few years ago, and PAT refused to even consider that it might be a billing error-- he insisted that someone *must* have tapped into my line somewhere. >2) have the line BLOCKED for "900" and international calls. Also, perhaps, >for all toll calls. Make them using a calling card. This would be my first step. I thought 900 blocking was mandatory if you want to get any cooperation out of the phone company. I've considered having all toll calls blocked as well, because I only make one or two a year (that's what email is for :-). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #96 ******************************* From ???@??? Mon Oct 23 07:12:34 2000 Date: 23 Oct 2000 06:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20001023101510.12908.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #97 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 108a3eaa373bd8b236969d0269b5f4e1 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Monday, October 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 097 In this issue: Dialogic D/41A Specs/Info Needed Agencies record Web users' habits Big Brother may be watching you Re: Uncreative Destruction: Internet in the Balance -- George Gilder in WSJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Oct 2000 11:39:42 -0400 From: "News Reply" Subject: Dialogic D/41A Specs/Info Needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C03C1B.AC0D24E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently came across an old Dialogic D/41A voice card, and I'm in need of any docs which may be available. I was informed by Dialogic tech support that the card has been deemed "obsolete" about 10 years ago, and they no longer have any information about the card. I am in need of any actual card specs (jumper/switch settings, etc), as well as any suggestions for some high level, inexpensive software (that doesn't require any complicated programming....I'm not a programmer) which will still work with this card to perform voice mail and call processing functions. DOS, Windows, Linux, it doesn't matter which operating system. (I'm just tinkering with this at home.) Thanks! - --- Philip E. Pavarini, Jr. Cleveland, OH, USA This message is digitally signed to insure authenticity. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2000 14:37:44 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Agencies record Web users' habits Agencies record Web users' habits By Associated Press, 10/22/2000 WASHINGTON - Despite a White House prohibition, 13 government agencies are secretly using technology that tracks the Internet habits of people visiting their Web sites, and in at least one case is providing the information to a private company, a congressional review has found. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/296/nation/Agencies_record_Web_users_habits+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2000 14:38:43 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Big Brother may be watching you Big Brother may be watching you Privacy a concern in company issue of credit cards, PCs By Dolores Kong, Globe Staff, 10/22/2000 Your boss could be watching you, even when you're not at work. Corporate charge cards and cell phones authorized for personal use - even company-sponsored computer purchase programs - have made it increasingly easy for employers to keep an eye on worker activities outside of working hours. http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/296/business/Big_Brother_may_be_watching_you+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2000 19:49:07 -0400 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Uncreative Destruction: Internet in the Balance -- George Gilder in WSJ On 21 Oct 2000 23:23:49 -0400, "Ed Ellers" wrote: >Gore's policies would lay waste to cyberspace. > >BY GEORGE GILDER > >A few weeks back, Al Gore, mocking his own penchant for hyperbole, bantered >with David Letterman's "Late Show" audience: "I gave you the Internet--and I >can take it away." This is no joke. While Republicans waste time with >captious critiques of the straight-arrow Gore's credibility and character, >the real threat posed by the Democratic candidate is utterly ignored.... As is the real threat posed by the Repuglican candidate: "It's the Supreme Court, stupid." A day or two ago was the anniversary of their nominee, Robert Bork, firing of the special procecutor, after the Attorney General and his assistant had resigned rather than do the dirty deed. Wasn't that the clown that wanted to bring back the bedroom police? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #97 ******************************* From ???@??? Tue Oct 24 08:07:55 2000 Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20001024101511.23733.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #98 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 6f18f888828d298f11bbbceb4f99ea07 Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 098 In this issue: AT&T may split into four pieces study of average error rates for censorware Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Commentary: DSL companies face consolidation as markets tighten looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a cell # Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Broadband Could be Hackland 10/23/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES PacBell/SBC DSL Cell Phones Probed For Double Trouble/Driving hazard, cancer link feared tyin4000 PC4 format France blasts Britain over Echelon New Technology Can Pinpoint Cell-Phone Users' Locations Court: Anonymous Internet postings not protected in Miami case High-Tech Groups Oppose Fake-ID Bill What happened to US West Free Email? Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) cmsg cancel no reply ignore ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Oct 2000 13:43:00 -0400 From: The Old Bear Subject: AT&T may split into four pieces As summarized in NewsScan for 10/23/00: AT&T MAY SPLIT INTO FOUR PIECES The AT&T board of directors is considering splitting the company into four separate and independent pieces focused on different market segments: the AT&T wireless unit; the company cable TV operations; consumer long-distance services; and the remaining "core" business comprised of the company's global network and data communications services. Designed to allow the individual units to be better able to pursue business strategies suited for their distinct market needs, the new organization would be the end of chief executive C. Michael Armstrong's hopes that AT&T could offer customers "one-stop shopping" for all communications needs. source: New York Times (23 Oct 2000) http://partners.nytimes.com/2000/10/23/business/23DEAL.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 18:16:20 -0400 From: Bennett Haselton Subject: study of average error rates for censorware [sent to journalists on Peacefire's press contacts list] In August we released a report at: http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/SurfWatch/first-1000-com-domains.html describing a test in which we took the first 1,000 .com domains in an alphabetical listing, ran them through SurfWatch, and examined the sites that SurfWatch blocked. 80% of these blocked sites (42 out of 51) turned out to be errors. For a follow-up study that we just released, we repeated the same experiment with Cyber Patrol, Bess, AOL Parental Controls, and SafeServer. The new report on censorware error rates is at: http://www.peacefire.org/error-rates/ The error rates for SurfWatch and Cyber Patrol were 80%, Bess had an error rate of 27%, and SafeServer was at 34%; AOL Parental Controls had an error rate of 20% but their software also only blocked five sites out of 1,000 (letting through almost all of the smut sites that other programs did block) -- suggesting a tradeoff between efficiency (when a program blocks as much porn as possible) and accuracy (when a program blocks few sites that are not pornographic). This is boring, but it's solid. There is apparently no chance that claims of "100% human review" from SurfWatch, Cyber Patrol, or N2H2 (makers of Bess) are accurate. (Cyber Patrol still claims that "A site is viewed by a human before being added to the CyberNOT list"; the CEO of N2H2 testified before a Congress that "All sites that are blocked are reviewed by N2H2 staff before being added to the block lists." SurfWatch made similar claims before the product was discontinued.) Congress is, of course, preparing to pass a spending bill with an amendment that requires schools and libraries to install blocking software. Even if the bill still passes, we hope this report can be used as evidence to challenge the blocking software amendment in court. -Bennett bennett@peacefire.org http://www.peacefire.org (425) 649 9024 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 18:26:37 -0400 From: Justin Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Diamond Dave went on and on about: > >Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common >on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you >had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator >or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). Not all #5 crossbar >offices had pre-pay, (as some were more modernized with "dial tone >first") but there were many that did. > >Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! Yes, in my area (suburban Chicago) all the pay phones were pre-pay. No coin, no dial tone. I thought they were all like that in those days. A bit OT, but anyone remember "Enterprise" calls? You'd call the operator and ask for, say, Enterprise-1212 and you'd be connected to (IIRC) Marshall Field's department store. The call was free--sort of like a local 800 service. Justin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 18:33:55 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out > > Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or > opt-out basis, according to a new survey. > > Seventy-two percent of the 1,760 participants in the study, dubbed > iCustomer Observer, said they have no preference as to how they > receive e-mails and Internet newsletters, said Chuck Curtis, CEO of > Valentine Radford Advertising, Kansas City, MO, the ad agency that > conducted the survey. > > http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11052.html In other words, 72% of the participants did not understand the question. So what? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 19:06:41 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Justin wrote: >> Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! > > Yes, in my area (suburban Chicago) all the pay phones were pre-pay. No > coin, no dial tone. I thought they were all like that in those days. Pacific Bell payphones used (and the few genuine ones still use) a weird combination of the pre-pay and post-pay methods. When you pick up the phone, you get a dial tone. If you're making a toll call, you dial the number (either as 7 digits if it's in the same area code, or with 1+ or 0+ as on any other phone), then a voice tells you how much money to put in for the first 3 minutes. But for local calls, you're required to put in your 20 cents (or whatever the rate is these days) BEFORE dialing the number. If you dial first, you don't get a message saying "please deposit 20 cents", you get an SIT tone and an error message, and have to hang up and start over. I have no idea why they don't let you use the toll-call method to dial local calls as well. It would make things much easier, especially since directories no longer even try to list which prefixes are local to which. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 20:21:18 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out >>From 'Linc Madison': >> Most Internet users don't care whether e-mail arrives on an opt-in or >> opt-out basis, according to a new survey. >> >> Seventy-two percent of the 1,760 participants in the study, dubbed >> iCustomer Observer, said they have no preference as to how they >> receive e-mails and Internet newsletters, said Chuck Curtis, CEO of >> Valentine Radford Advertising, Kansas City, MO, the ad agency that >> conducted the survey. >> >> http://www.dmnews.com/articles/2000-10-16/11052.html uhhhh. I hope no one with any intelligence trusts the DMA. >In other words, 72% of the participants did not understand the question. > >So what? >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:40:17 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Commentary: DSL companies face consolidation as markets tighten Commentary: DSL companies face consolidation as markets tighten By Meta Group Special to CNET News.com October 23, 2000, 2:50 p.m. PT Recent earnings disappointments from Covad Communications and Copper Mountain Networks and the consequent market setbacks experienced by these firms and related digital subscriber line (DSL) companies demonstrate that the communications sector is being affected by some of the same market dynamics that are influencing dot-com firms. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-201-3274912-0.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:48:24 -0400 From: Subject: looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a cell # 347-432-3451 is the number. from what i've found out it's probably a sprint pcs phone. the background is that this number keeps calling a friend on mine business and home numbers all the time of the day & night. it is probably a former employess of her's. i just want to be sure before i call verizonnuisance line for her (she doesn't speak english very well). thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 22:08:29 -0400 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) In <1eb9vskb3vtsodmfvq53994i4iv0e42f24@4ax.com>, Justin wrote: }A bit OT, but anyone remember "Enterprise" calls? You'd call the }operator and ask for, say, Enterprise-1212 and you'd be connected to }(IIRC) Marshall Field's department store. Yes -- in Mountain States Telephone territory in Utah these were Zenith numbers. } The call was free--sort of }like a local 800 service. Actually, it preceded 800 service; when that became popular Enterprise and Zenith numbers mostly disappeared. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2000 23:00:45 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Broadband Could be Hackland Broadband Could be Hackland by Farhad Manjoo 2:00 a.m. Oct. 23, 2000 PDT Recently, Steve Gibson, an independent software developer in Southern California, received a call from the FBI. "Apparently, some hacker was getting into people's computers and posting notes on their Windows desktops," Gibson said. "The notes were telling people that their computer was insecure, and that they should go to GRC.com. So the FBI said, 'Steve, did you do this?'" It seemed like a reasonable question. Gibson's GRC.com offers a popular service called "Shields Up!," which tests your computer's vulnerability to attack. Companies have been known to employ guerrilla tactics to get attention. But Gibson didn't do it. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39235,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:56 -0400 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 10/23/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************ ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ************************************************************************* from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800 and Dot Com. ************************************************************************* CONTENTS - - WHICH TLD'S WILL IT BE? - - LET THE GAMES BEGIN - - CUSTOMERS SWITCHING FROM HOME PHONES TO WIRELESS - - IF YOU SEE IT AND YOU LIKE IT - BOOK IT - - ICANN EXTENDS TLD PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ************************************************************************ REGISTRATION: Access to all articles, Free and Premium, requires registration. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4671 F - IF YOU SEE IT AND YOU LIKE IT - BOOK IT Responding to a tip in InfoWorld's Notes from the Field column, more than 50 InfoWorld readers wrote in to say they have searched for the availability of several domain names and found them free. But when they went back to purchase the names the next hour or day or week, someone else had bought them. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4670 P - ICANN EXTENDS TLD PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD "We have found that the applications that have been submitted do a generally good job of explaining the nature of the proposals, and therefore have concluded that real-time interviews are not warranted at this time. We intend to gather the additional information we require by posing specific questions to applicants in e-mail and requesting a written response. The questions and responses will be posted on the web site." 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An OggNet Server. http://www.delphi.com/gbbs The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:01:49 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cell Phones Probed For Double Trouble/Driving hazard, cancer link feared Cell Phones Probed For Double Trouble Driving hazard, cancer link feared With more than 100 million cell phones in everyday use, questions are being raised about whether these handy devices might boost the risk of brain cancer or increase the chances of having an automobile accident. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/10/23/BU67846.DTL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:08:11 -0400 From: Marge Decuire Subject: tyin4000 PC4 format There is a conversion utility for that format at: http://www.israel.net/innovative/tyinutil.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:08:35 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: France blasts Britain over Echelon * France blasts Britain over Echelon (ZDNet UK) A French parliamentary enquiry has harshly criticised Britain for its involvement in the Echelon satellite surveillance system, which it denounces as a threat to individual liberty and commercial privacy. Echelon is the codename for a surveillance network built by the UK and U.S. at the onset of the Cold War in order to eavesdrop on international satellite communications. It is one part of a global surveillance effort that counts on cooperation from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2640682-2,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:13:57 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New Technology Can Pinpoint Cell-Phone Users' Locations New Technology Can Pinpoint Cell-Phone Users' Locations Police see benefit in emergencies -- watchdogs fear erosion of privacy A woman called 911 from her cellular phone, begging for help. She was locked in the trunk of her boyfriend's car. ``Where are you at?'' the 911 dispatcher asked. The woman didn't know, and within seconds, the call was disconnected. This happened in Alameda County last month, but the caller was never located. Using technology that wireless companies are testing now, the California Highway Patrol could have traced that cell-phone call and potentially rescued the woman from harm. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/10/23/BU77211.DTL&type=tech_article - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:17:23 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Court: Anonymous Internet postings not protected in Miami case Court: Anonymous Internet postings not protected in Miami case By CATHERINE WILSON AP Business Writer MIAMI (AP) _ In a ruling that challenges online anonymity, a Florida appeals court declared Monday that Internet service providers must divulge the identities of people who post defamatory messages on the Internet. http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/l/0000/10-16-2000/20001016202721860.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 00:19:06 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: High-Tech Groups Oppose Fake-ID Bill High-Tech Groups Oppose Fake-ID Bill By David McGuire, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 18 Oct 2000, 5:13 PM CST A cadre of high-tech companies and trade groups is opposing a Senate bill aimed at stemming the availability of fake IDs on the Internet, contending that the bill would expose Internet service providers to unfair liability. http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/156885.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 01:07:49 -0400 From: "Tad Cook" Subject: What happened to US West Free Email? Before (and after) the Qwest takeover, US West had a free web-based email service (similar to Hotmail) at http://www.uswestmail.net/index.html . Now suddenly I cannot find it, and can't find it on the Qwest website. Anyone know what happened, or what the new URL is? Tad Cook tad@aa.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 02:26:11 -0400 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Joel B Levin wrote: > > In <1eb9vskb3vtsodmfvq53994i4iv0e42f24@4ax.com>, > Justin wrote: > }A bit OT, but anyone remember "Enterprise" calls? You'd call the > }operator and ask for, say, Enterprise-1212 and you'd be connected to > }(IIRC) Marshall Field's department store. > > Yes -- in Mountain States Telephone territory in Utah these were Zenith > numbers. > > } The call was free--sort of > }like a local 800 service. > > Actually, it preceded 800 service; when that became popular Enterprise and > Zenith numbers mostly disappeared. They coexisted for at least two decades. For most of that time, the advantage of Enterprise/Zenith numbers was that they only worked from exchanges specified by the Enterprise/Zenith subscriber; 800 numbers had to cover statewide or multi-state areas. When it became possible to order 800 numbers that only work from specified exchanges, Enterprise and Zenith pretty much disappeared. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 04:23:40 -0400 From: djb0x77372343@scream.org (Dan Birchall) Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) John David Galt wrote: > Pacific Bell payphones used (and the few genuine ones still use) a weird > combination of the pre-pay and post-pay methods. > > When you pick up the phone, you get a dial tone. If you're making a toll > call, you dial the number (either as 7 digits if it's in the same area > code, or with 1+ or 0+ as on any other phone), then a voice tells you how > much money to put in for the first 3 minutes. > > But for local calls, you're required to put in your 20 cents (or whatever > the rate is these days) BEFORE dialing the number. I seem to recall this being normative for the real Bell Atlantic pay phones back in New Jersey when I was a kid, as well. Enough so that to this day, this is the behavior I *expect* from pay phones. In the exceedingly rare cases that I even use them, that is. (3.4-ounce things that provide inbound and outbound calls, SMS messages and e-mail make pay phones less of a necessity.) - -Dan - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley, Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org Post your reviews; get paid: http://epinions.scream.org/join.html Free web-based e-mail: http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1163079 My address expires - take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 09:02:04 GMT From: spambot@stopspam.org Subject: cmsg cancel no reply ignore Ignore Excessive Cross Posted/Excessive Multi-Posted article canceled by Ken Lucke X-Cancel-ID: 7^-[&%5H4=IH"HY:%BF3[8\3JTB%F($*F#J^BD99PQV_0]MXM From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #99 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 4f9d88ded8bd74e7c63be1d0a6bcef8c Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 099 In this issue: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: service theft problem Re: tone-only page Re: What happened to US West Free Email? looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a c ell # Re: France blasts Britain over Echelon Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: PacBell/SBC DSL Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Wireless local, then cellular Re: looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if th Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out "509.533.1504" EPIC report: Censorware blocks pro-Hillary site, campaign finance, Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? 10/24/00 ICBTollFree.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: "509.533.1504" Re: Wireless local, then cellular Re: service theft problem Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Oct 2000 09:01:26 -0400 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) On 23 Oct 2000 18:26:37 -0400, Justin wrote: :Diamond Dave went on and on about: :> :>Speaking of post-pay, does anyone remember PRE-pay? These were common :>on many #5 crossbar systems and some step by step offices where you :>had to insert money to even get a dial tone! Even to call the operator :>or 911 you had to insert a dime (later a quarter). Not all #5 crossbar :>offices had pre-pay, (as some were more modernized with "dial tone :>first") but there were many that did. :> :>Ah, the good ole days... BEFORE COCOTs! : :Yes, in my area (suburban Chicago) all the pay phones were pre-pay. No :coin, no dial tone. I thought they were all like that in those days. In GTE Santa Barbara, there was a period of several years where the pay phones were dial-tone-first, and mostly or all rotary dial. The offices were step, with touchtone converters. You couldn't make a local call without a coin using the dial on the phone, but a pocket touchtone dialer would trigger the converter and the call would connect. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 09:01:45 -0400 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: service theft problem On 20 Oct 2000 22:41:24 -0400, Fred Schimmel wrote: :My son is having a problem where it appears that someone is bridging his :line and making toll calls and 900 line calls. He calls the phone :company, they say it's an outside line wiring problem, they say they fix :it and then next month more strange numbers are on the bill. It is an :apartment complex, but I don't know if there is a phone cross-connect :panel in a service room or if it is one in a public area. Someone is :committing service theft and has picked my son's line(and probably :several others too). The bills keep mounting, and the phone company :hasn't been good about credit for the bogus calls. More likely a multi-pair cable running down a common wall. Probably someone directly above or below you on another floor or adjacent. :Has anyone who has been in this kind of situation been able to get the :problem solved? and get restitution from the phone company? Any :suggestions on how he should procede? Go to Radio Shack and get one of those $20 recorder couplers that triggers a cassette recorder when a phone is picked up. Leave it connected for a few days. You want the kind that start whenever any phone on the line is picked up. You may be able to identify the perpetrator based on the conversations. Depending on the wiretap laws in your state, you may or may not be able to legally tap your own phone, but if they're 900 sex line calls, a cassette anonymously left for the culprit's spouse's listening enjoyment should put a quick end to it. If they're drug deals, the same tape could be even more useful. I'm sure you'd agree to a warrant to have your own phone tapped in the interest of justice. "Officer, there are narcotics deals being conducted over my telephone. Could you please tap it?" If that fails, see if the telco can put you on digital subscriber carrier with the remote unit inside your apartment. This is an ISDN-like box normally used to put two lines on a single pair. It'll stop the clown as he won't get a dial tone. "Let them eat static" - Khan. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 09:05:13 -0400 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: tone-only page On 20 Oct 2000 12:00:05 -0400, Carl Moore wrote: :Recently, my pager went off (vibrator mode only, for the usual reasons :of activities not to be disrupted by such) and when I went to look for :a number on the display, I found "TONE ONLY". What's the meaning of :that? Someone dialed your pager number and hung up without entering any DTMF digits. The early "beepers" had no display. You would just dial the number and the pager would beep. As the vast majority of mesages in that day and age were simply "Call your office" or "Call your answering service", there was no need for more data. This is a legacy feature likely built into your paging company's software. If you call your pager number and hang up without entering any digits, it will probably give you the same message. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 09:12:38 -0400 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: What happened to US West Free Email? 24 Oct 2000 01:07:49 -0400 "Tad Cook" wrote: >Before (and after) the Qwest takeover, US West had a free web-based >email service (similar to Hotmail) at http://www.uswestmail.net/index.html . >Now suddenly I cannot find it, and can't find it on the Qwest website. > >Anyone know what happened, or what the new URL is? uswestmail.net appears to be down and has been down for several days now. Evidently Qwest doesn't seem to be in any hurry to bring the site back up. That being said I've been receiving my forwarded mail that goes through uswestmail.net just fine though you cannot seem to access the site http://www.uswestmail.net and my suspicion is that USWest/Qwest is in no hurry to fix it. Just a guess. As far as web-based mail they've really been pretty good so far, but I guess this is another indication that you pretty much get what you pay for with "free." - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail] +1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 10:51:37 -0400 From: "Wineburgh, Joseph - WNJ \(Exchange\)" Subject: looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a c ell # No probably about it - NANPA has 347-432 to Sprint Spectrum (Sprint PCS). Do you have CLID name & number? My name (as well as number) actually came up when I called out from my SPCS phone whilst I was still using it. Maybe this was a more recent innovation... Anyways - I'm not sure how much luck you will have with VZ. Unless you're prepared to go to court, they won't do much. If you do plan to file & see them in court, do a few *57's after the calls to make it official. - --------------------------------- Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:48:24 -0400 From: Subject: looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if this is a cell # 347-432-3451 is the number. from what i've found out it's probably a sprint pcs phone. the background is that this number keeps calling a friend on mine business and home numbers all the time of the day & night. it is probably a former employess of her's. i just want to be sure before i call verizonnuisance line for her (she doesn't speak english very well). thanks - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. *********************************************************************** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *********************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 11:02:49 -0400 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: France blasts Britain over Echelon Monty Solomon quoted from a ZDNet UK story: "Echelon is the codename for a surveillance network built by the UK and U.S. at the onset of the Cold War in order to eavesdrop on international satellite communications." An interesting idea, considering that the onset of the Cold War was shortly after World War II (Winston Churchill's "iron curtain" speech is often credited with signaling it), while satellite communications didn't exist until the 1960s. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 13:50:44 -0400 From: Don Wallace Subject: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Hi, I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. I am assuming that, if the area code and the exchange are known for both A and B, that there is some way to determine the method of dialing factually, without a trial call. The phone company switches "know", so why can't the phone user w/o looking it up in a book? Is there a company that compiles data like this or a web site that provides a lookup of this sort? Thanks, Don - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 14:09:44 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: PacBell/SBC DSL >>From 'Steven Lichter': >Anyone have any comments about their service? My order seems to have fallen >into a black hole. Ameritech has serious, serious problems with lack of repair/install techs all over their territory and I know some SBC/PB techs have been pulled to replace them. In fact, Southwestern Beast Communications is having DSL problems all over the country, from what I cdan tell. - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:09:44 -0400 From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? On 24 Oct 2000 13:50:44 -0400, Don Wallace wrote: |I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to |determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. |IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven |(1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. This database would have to be available on-line since A/Cs and exchanges are under flux. FURTHERMORE, with line number portability as well as cellular service, it is very possible that a/c+3d+nnnn might have different dialing instructions as compared to a/c+3d+nnnx. Similarly, an LEC like Verizon might offer Centrex(SM) service and that would totally change dialing plans. Here at Penn state, one we used to dial 9+7d for local calls; not 8+7d. Toll call used to require a '1' infix, now tolls are not necessarily indicated by that. /Pete ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 15:24:39 -0400 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: Wireless local, then cellular Yes, it has been. One of the LECs (Local Exchange Carriers) in the Portland Oregon Metro market did. Believe it was Verizon (then GTE) but not certain. On 19 Oct 2000 05:05:51 -0400, David Clayton wrote: >In Australia we have a company offering a GSM handset which is charged >as a "local" service in your own area, but becomes a normal GSM service >when you leave that area. > >They are marketing it as a cheaper home phone, (well, cheaper than a >second land line), while you use your land line for the Internet etc. > >Is anything similar being offered in North America? >- - >Regards, David. > >David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au >Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. - -- John Bartley, PC syadmin, USBC/DO, Portland OR Views expressed herein are mine own. "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of sXXXch.... or the right of the people peaceably to XXXemble, and to peXXXion the government for a redress of grievances." from the First Amendment to the US ConsXXXution. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 15:24:40 -0400 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: looking for someone in the bronx,ny area to verify if th A download from across the continent from shows 347-443 is used by SPRINT SPECTRUM L.P. (NWYRCYZN06/NYCMNY83CM1) which confirms your suspicions. On 23 Oct 2000 21:48:24 -0400, wrote: >347-432-3451 is the number. from what i've found out it's probably a >sprint pcs phone. > >the background is that this number keeps calling a friend of mine's >business and home numbers all the time of the day & night. it is >probably a former employee of hers. I just want to be sure before I >call verizon's nuisance line for her (she doesn't speak english very >well). thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 16:13:47 -0400 From: "Steve Hayes" Subject: Re: More on pay phones (pre-pay and post-pay) In Telecom Digest V2000, #98, John David Galt commented on pre-pay pay phones. He observed that many of them require the coins for a local coin to be deposited before dialling and he asked why these phones block the call rather than asking for coins after dialling if this is not done. This is the normal operation for all US style "dumb" payphones which are controlled from the central office and is inherent in the way that they handle local calls. The phone just dials out whatever number you put in. When the central office sees that the number is complete, it checks if it is local. If it is, the central office uses a fairly primitive method to query the phone to see if the correct coins have been deposited (the phone counts the coins - switches inside it are set to establish the local call charge). If the correct amount was deposited the call is allowed to go ahead (just as if you dialled it from home), otherwise it is blocked by the central office. There is no provision for any voice prompts in this system - it dates back to long before voice synthesis or microprocessors were commonplace. When you make a long-distance call, you dial it in the way specified on the phone. In the old days, this involved the operator. Nowadays, it usually causes the central office to connect you through to a centralised automatic system which calculates the cost of the call and instructs you to deposit coins. This (or the operator) uses coin tones sent out from the phone to tell when you have deposited the correct amount and it then allows the call to go ahead. The system is quite complicated (and usually run by a Long Distance company such as AT&T) and the phone companies wouldn't want to use it for local calls as well. COCOT "smart" phones are completely different. The phone itself must calculate the cost of the call and uses its own voice synthesiser or display to ask for the coins. Since this system has to be there anyway to handle long distance calls, it is simpler for everyone if it is also used for local calls - the phone will prompt for coins after dialling on those calls as well. These days, some of the big local phone companies are using "smart" phones in place of the "dumb" ones but there are still a lot of the old ones around too. Steve Hayes South Wales, UK - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 16:27:44 -0400 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Survey: Net Users Don't Care About Opt-In, Opt-Out Followup to: By author: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > uhhhh. > > I hope no one with any intelligence trusts the DMA. > > >In other words, 72% of the participants did not understand the question. > Not to mention the fact that an awful lot of so-called "opt-in" services aren't. -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 16:44:06 -0400 From: Linda Subject: "509.533.1504" Hello, I too have been receiving early morning calls from the number 509.533.1504. When I try to call the number back it just rings and rings....no one answers. It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't day sleepers. Who is this person or people that persist in calling us? I am starting to feel threatened. I answered the phone twice to get no response, and when I checked who had called it was: 509.533.1504. What's going on??? Thanks for this website and the opportunity it affords to possibly get an answer. L.M. southwest washington - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 17:56:52 -0400 From: Bennett Haselton Subject: EPIC report: Censorware blocks pro-Hillary site, campaign finance, etc. Sender: owner-peacefire-press@iain.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bennett Haselton [sent to journalists on Peacefire's press contacts list] EPIC and Peacefire have released a joint report on censorware blocking educational sites about campaign finance form, American government, the history of Memorial Day, a Jewish high school in Israel, and several dozen others. Ironically, "How A Bill Becomes A Law" is one of the censored pages -- blocked by one of the most popular brands of blocking software that Congress may soon require schools and libraries to use, if the current educational spending bill (H.R. 4577). The joint press release on the report is at: http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/BESS/MM/press-release.txt and the full report is available at: http://www.epic.org/censorware/mandated_mediocrity.html or http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/BESS/MM/ -Bennett bennett@peacefire.org http://www.peacefire.org (425) 649 9024 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 19:34:35 -0400 From: mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Don Wallace wrote: > I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to > determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. > IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven > (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. In most places these days, you can dial 1 + ten digits no matter where in the NANPA you're dialing. This is a wonderful development as it frees people - - particularly those on the move or carrying portable devices like laptop computers - from having to worry about what the current phone number is before placing a call. Try it in your area; it probably works. You do not get charged for a long-distance call if you call the number down the street with 1 + area code. I just tried it from a phone (here in area code 202) that has no default L/D carrier and it worked fine. I first noticed this working when I lived in 415 back in 1994. Back then it was not universal but it's been a while since I've seen it not work. miguel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 20:40:07 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In article , Miguel Cruz wrote: > Don Wallace wrote: > > I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to > > determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. > > IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven > > (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. > > In most places these days, you can dial 1 + ten digits no matter > where in the NANPA you're dialing. This is a wonderful development as > it frees people - particularly those on the move or carrying portable > devices like laptop computers - from having to worry about what the > current phone number is before placing a call. Try it in your area; > it probably works. You do not get charged for a long-distance call if > you call the number down the street with 1 + area code. I just tried > it from a phone (here in area code 202) that has no default L/D > carrier and it worked fine. I first noticed this working when I lived > in 415 back in 1994. Back then it was not universal but it's been a > while since I've seen it not work. Alas, no. There are still huge areas of the NANP that want to protect you from accidentally making a local call that you thought was going to cost money. Texas and Georgia are very bad about that, and I'm sure there are at least a few other states. If you dial 1+10d on a local call, you will get an intercept recording telling you, "It is not necessary to dial a 0 or a 1 when placing this call. Please hang up and try your call again," or something to that effect. It's senseless and serves no valid purpose (now that the switches are intelligent enough to zero-bill a local call dialed with 1+). It's been many years now since any switches generated a billing ticket just because the caller dialed 1+ on a local number. In New York City and its New York suburbs, until very recently, dialing 1+HNPA+7d didn't work, either, even if the call was toll. For example, to call from one end of Long Island to the other, you had to dial just 7d, even though it was a toll call. (There has since been an area code split, and at least NYC proper now allows 1+10d on HNPA calls, but I'm not sure about calling from one end of Suffolk County to the other, or from one end of 845 to the other in the northern suburbs.) It is recommended by NANPA, the FCC, the INC, and various other acronyms, that all telcos in the U.S. permit 1+10d on all calls within the NANP, but some states are intransigent. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 21:17:20 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In article <39f5cf29.23564123@news.psu.edu>, Pete Weiss wrote: > On 24 Oct 2000 13:50:44 -0400, Don Wallace wrote: > > > |I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to > |determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. > |IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven > |(1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. > > This database would have to be available on-line since A/Cs and > exchanges are under flux. FURTHERMORE, with line number portability > as well as cellular service, it is very possible that a/c+3d+nnnn > might have different dialing instructions as compared to a/c+3d+nnnx. Yes, but not for the reasons you mention. You can't port a number outside its rate center, and cellular has very little to do with anything. However, in some areas you can sign up for an optional service plan that expands your local calling area. In some cases, that will allow you to dial calls as 7d or 10d instead of 1+10d. However, the database you describe would be enormously complicated, because the tariffs are so convoluted. Many areas have different classes of service within the same rate center, so that, for instance, a call from a regular Dallas number to a regular Fort Worth number is toll, but if either or both numbers are in "Metro" prefixes, the call is local (and must NOT be dialed with 1+ ... GRR!) If you just want to be able to dial your call without trial and error, the obvious and sensible solution is to pressure all the state PUCs to permit optional 1+10d on local calls. The leading 1+ in a toll alerting area should mean only, "I will pay the toll IF IT APPLIES." > Similarly, an LEC like Verizon might offer Centrex(SM) service and > that would totally change dialing plans. Centrex service might change the dialing string, but it doesn't change the local calling area. > Here at Penn state, one we used to dial 9+7d for local calls; not > 8+7d. Toll call used to require a '1' infix, now tolls are not > necessarily indicated by that. I know that the rules for eastern Pennsylvania were changed when the first overlays went in. (All calls within the combined 215/610/267/445 area can be dialed as straight 10d, whether local or toll.) However, if Verizon is providing Centrex -- not PBX -- service that doesn't require a toll marker, in an area that normally requires it, that's news. In other words, if an ordinary POTS line in State College has to dial 1+10d for a toll call, but a Centrex line can dial 8+7d or 9+7d, I'd be very, very surprised. A PBX can do that, inserting whatever prefix might be required, but Centrex shouldn't. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't day > sleepers. Sounds like the calls are coming from a modem or fax which is supposed to be calling a number slightly different from yours, but its owner mistyped when he programmed it. I suggest taking this up with Qwest's Annoyance Call Bureau. They should be able to find out fairly quickly who owns that phone number. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 23:49:17 -0400 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Wireless local, then cellular >>From 'John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov': >Yes, it has been. One of the LECs (Local Exchange Carriers) in the >Portland Oregon Metro market did. Believe it was Verizon (then GTE) but >not certain. GTE did here too, and it was called Tele-Go. No roaming allowed... You got a base station that plugged into your landline. When in range of the base station, your phone calls went through the landline. Otherwise they were cellular and you got charged airtime. It was a great idea! I had an Oki 1325. At various times they also used Nokia 100's and a couple other models. This was back in 1993. I haven't seen anything similar recently. - -- A beautiful Chow puppy was rescued a couple months ago from the Geauga County, Ohio animal shelter and has been fostered in a home in Montville, OH. After receiving medical care and much love, he's ready for a permanent home. http://www.WrinkleDogs.com/rescue/fall2000/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:11:22 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: service theft problem One other fix (not a true solution) would be for the son to keep his phone off-hook when not in use. This would disable incoming calls, but would likewise busy out the line for outgoing calls. If this really is a freeloader, the malefactor will quickly tire and move to someone else's line. Also, as someone else pointed out, check whether he is using a cordless phone. Many older cordless phones (and perhaps cheap new ones) have little or no security and can have the base station accessed by a technically compatible phone, providing quick 'n' easy service theft. - -- Michael D. Sullivan avogadro@bellatlantic.net Bethesda, MD, USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:40:35 -0400 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Don, On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Don Wallace wrote: > > Is there a company that compiles data like this or a web site that > provides a lookup of this sort? > As far as I know, the North American Numbering Plan adminstration is responsible for maintaining all records. - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock http://www.openss7.org/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:45:48 -0400 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Linc, It's not like that at all. Before LAMA and SS7 we used to have to send calls dialed with a 1 to the CAMA (Toll) switch and this switch was not supposed to use End-Office toll trunks to hairpin calls back to the local network. Also, mechanical switches did not have good databases so you had to dial them correctly. In areas where CAMA billing is still being performed, allow these calls back the the local network provides all kinds of potential for fraud. Consider why you shouldn't be able to dial 0+ a local number and just have it connect... On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Linc Madison wrote: > > Alas, no. There are still huge areas of the NANP that want to protect > you from accidentally making a local call that you thought was going to > cost money. - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock http://www.openss7.org/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 01:09:02 -0400 From: djb0x77372343@scream.org (Dan Birchall) Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Don Wallace wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a single database that would allow a user to > determine how a person at phone number 'A' may call phone number 'B'. > IE, whether 'A' must dial seven, ten (AAA-NNN-NNNN) or eleven > (1-AAA-NNN-NNNN) digits. > > I am assuming that, if the area code and the exchange are known for > both A and B, that there is some way to determine the method of > dialing factually, without a trial call. The phone company switches > "know", so why can't the phone user w/o looking it up in a book? > > Is there a company that compiles data like this or a web site that > provides a lookup of this sort? I once compiled something similar (a map with exchange names) for New Jersey, but that was several years and a few area code splits ago. In the event that no one has one of these, and someone decides to build one, I'd recommend just putting in the NPA-NXX chunks that are local to each other; i.e. 609-267:856-235. There's no need to additionally keep track of which area codes are adjacent or whatever, since numbers within an area code will not be local to numbers in most other area codes anyway. Nonetheless, a very substantial amount of data is involved, to say nothing of the maintenance. Plus there are issues of cellular numbers which are local to an entire LATA or NPA, et cetera. And then there are free NPA's, premium NPA's and NXX's, and so on. Doable? Sure. Time-consuming, though. If I had it, I'd charge a bit for access. :) - -Dan - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley, Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org Post your reviews; get paid: http://epinions.scream.org/join.html Free web-based e-mail: http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1163079 My address expires - take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #99 ******************************* From ???@??? Wed Oct 25 10:52:04 2000 Date: 25 Oct 2000 06:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20001025101511.5940.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com> From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2000 #100 Reply-To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sender: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Errors-To: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: d97c0fddba3af14e5953db7bf38b158e Status: RO X-Status: Telecom Digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 100 In this issue: cmsg cancel no reply ignore Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 2000 06:01:48 GMT From: spambot@stopspam.org Subject: cmsg cancel no reply ignore Ignore Excessive Cross Posted/Excessive Multi-Posted article canceled by Ken Lucke X-Cancel-ID: -[LXU1 Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In article <20001024234018.B5952@openswitch.org>, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Don, > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Don Wallace wrote: > > > > Is there a company that compiles data like this or a web site that > > provides a lookup of this sort? > > As far as I know, the North American Numbering Plan adminstration > is responsible for maintaining all records. No, NANPA maintains no records at all of what prefixes are local to which other prefixes. NANPA just assigns the area codes, and in some states the prefixes; what constitutes a local calling area is purely a state regulatory issue. There are companies that maintain such databases, but they charge quite a lot of money for access, since the database is enormous and requires considerable work to keep current and accurate. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 05:17:19 -0400 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Database of Toll Call/Local Calling by Area Code + Exchange? In article <20001024234532.C5952@openswitch.org>, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Linc, > > It's not like that at all. Before LAMA and SS7 we used to have to send > calls dialed with a 1 to the CAMA (Toll) switch and this switch was not > supposed to use End-Office toll trunks to hairpin calls back to the > local network. Also, mechanical switches did not have good databases > so you had to dial them correctly. Fine. But none of those issues has any relevance today, at least in any cities of noticeable size. > In areas where CAMA billing is still being performed, allow these calls > back the the local network provides all kinds of potential for fraud. Okay, so you allow an exception for tiny telcos with antique equipment. Fine. If the switch is genuinely incapable of shortcutting a call to a local trunk and zero-billing it if it's dialed with an unnecessary leading 1+, then you can route 1+ local calls to intercept. But how many switches meet that condition? A couple dozen in the whole country, I'd guess. The fact remains, there is NO REASON to disallow 1+10d on local calls in 99+% of the switches in the United States. As for 0+10d, yes, it should just go through. I had an occasion just a few months ago in Dallas where I needed to dial a local number with operator assistance. The ONLY way to do that was by dialing "zero-minus"; that's absurd. If someone is silly enough to dial 0+10d on a local call and then just enter a calling card number, or make the call collect, then that's just too bad. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2000 #100 ********************************