Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:50:33 EST Errors-To: Comp-privacy Error Handler From: Computer Privacy Digest Moderator To: Comp-privacy@PICA.ARMY.MIL Subject: Computer Privacy Digest V3#074 Computer Privacy Digest Mon, 15 Nov 93 Volume 3 : Issue: 074 Today's Topics: Moderator: Dennis G. Rears Re: threads in comp.dcom.telecom Re: Privacy Source Re: Privacy Source LaNUGUMS Re: California Driver License and SSN Re: California Driver License and SSN FBI Operation "Root Canal" Documents Revealed Re: Finding someone Re: California Driver License and SSN Graduate Programs Re: Finding someone -- FOUND! The Computer Privacy Digest is a forum for discussion on the effect of technology on privacy. The digest is moderated and gatewayed into the USENET newsgroup comp.society.privacy (Moderated). Submissions should be sent to comp-privacy@pica.army.mil and administrative requests to comp-privacy-request@pica.army.mil. Back issues are available via anonymous ftp on ftp.pica.army.mil [129.139.160.133]. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carl Oppedahl Subject: Re: threads in comp.dcom.telecom Date: 12 Nov 1993 12:48:49 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC In Kelly Bert Manning writes: >Near the beginning of the Digital Detective thread it was pointed out >that DD is the moderator of the comp.dcom.telecom news group, and that >his intent was perhaps to provoke discussion and to increase awareness >of the availability of this information. >I decided to follow up on these comments from the moderator by reading >what the comp.dcom.telecom moderator posted and the remarks he added. > [helpful summaries omitted] Thank you for these summaries. I'm sure they benefit people who did not see the other discussions, but they also benefited me (even though I had seen them) because your summaries reminded me of some things I had read but forgotten. -- Carl Oppedahl AA2KW (patent lawyer) 1992 Commerce Street #309 Yorktown Heights, NY 10598-4412 voice 212-777-1330 ------------------------------ From: Carl Oppedahl Subject: Re: Privacy Source Date: 12 Nov 1993 12:49:48 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC In Robert Ellis Smith <0005101719@mcimail.com> writes: >Both Vaclav Matyas of Carleton University and Alizade of University of Toronto >asked about sources of information about technology and privacy. >PRIVACY JOURNAL has been the authoritative publication in the field since 1974. >We will send a sample copy of our monthly newsletter to anyone who requests it, >as well as descriptions of the books and special reports we publish on privacy. >Ask for our s pecial discount on subscriptions for users of the net. Books and >subscriptions may be ordered by e-mail with a credit card number. >Robert Ellis Smith, Publisher, Privacy Journal, PO Box 28577, Providence RI >02908, 401/274-7861; MCI mail: rsmith, 510-1719. I have subscribed for many years. It is a very important journal -- a must-read for those who care about privacy. -- Carl Oppedahl AA2KW (patent lawyer) 1992 Commerce Street #309 Yorktown Heights, NY 10598-4412 voice 212-777-1330 ------------------------------ From: Laine Stump Subject: Re: Privacy Source Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 03:49:44 Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net In article Robert Ellis Smith <0005101719@mcimail.com> writes: >PRIVACY JOURNAL has been the authoritative publication in the field since 1974. > [etc.] >Ask for our s pecial discount on subscriptions for users of the net. Books >and subscriptions may be ordered by e-mail with a credit card number. Maybe I'm paranoid, or misinformed, but it seems to me that anybody worrying about their privacy would think at least twice before sending their credit card number over a communication medium as insecure as Internet email. It is a trivial task for anybody at a router along the message's path to write a snooper program that will grab all SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) packets and paste them together into complete messages. Of course you could argue that sheer volume would lower the chances of discovery to almost nil, but... I would never send my credit card number to anyone via email unless that person had PGP (or similar software) and a public key for me to use. Is this really something that an "authoritative publication" on the subject of privacy should be suggesting its prospective readers to do? (Ah, but I guess he didn't say "security", did he? Laine Stump laine@ctp.bilkent.edu.tr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 13:45:49 -0500 (CDT) From: FLIB1191@vega.selu.edu Subject: LaNUGUMS Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University Let me congratulate all of you who worked hard to assure that the LANUGUMS meeting yesterday was such a success. I know it was a success because it was mentioned several times at the grand opening of ELMO, Nicholls' OPAC. It was also suggested that since Southeastern did such a good job, and had such good facilities, that we host all future meeting of LANUGUMS. I told all who asked that we did enjoy hosting the meeting, but we did'nt want to be greedy, and deprive some others . Again, thanks to all of you who worked on the meeting project. L. Greaves ------------------------------ From: Kelly Hoffman Subject: Re: California Driver License and SSN Date: 12 Nov 1993 20:17:27 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Network Test Division, Nashua, NH Distribution: world In article Dave Gomberg writes: > So CA has a right to > insist you identify yourself in a way that allows it to determine that > you are not on any bad guys lists (which themselves are indexed by SSN). > So you can give your SSN or you can refuse to avail yourself of the > privledge of driving. Dave Let's accept this premise for a moment. Does California put the SSN on the license itself? If yes, why is it necessary to do so when all they want to do is check the "bad buys list"? (If CA only asks for the SSN on the application and doesn't actually put it on the license, then, well, never mind. :-) kkh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kelly K. Hoffman kelly@nashua.hp.com Learning Products Engineer Hewlett-Packard, Network Test Division "Reading the manual is One Tara Blvd., Nashua, NH 03062 admitting defeat." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 20:00:18 -0500 From: Bob Sherman Subject: Re: California Driver License and SSN Date: 14 Nov 1993 20:00:15 -0500 Organization: Not much! In Richard Roda writes: >That's really neat. Does this mean that if I don't avail myself of the >"privilidge" of driving, that I don't have to pay any taxes that go to >support the highway system? Bzzz! If the highway system were supported by >user fees, I would agree with this logic. But, since it is supported from >my income taxes, I am paying for the road, but don't get to use the road I >pay for because it is a Privilidge(TM). Errrr, excuse me, but there are many ways for you to use the roads your taxes pay for without needing a drivers license. You can for example ride a bike, use public transportation, take a taxi, ride as a passenger in a car while someone else does the driving, run, jog, walk etc.. All of the above are better done on a paved roadway than through the woods.. By the way, if you own property, you'll also pay school taxes, even if you have no children in the schools. Is that any different??? -- bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu | | MCI MAIL:BSHERMAN an764@cleveland.freenet.edu | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 08:41:08 -0500 From: Dave Banisar Subject: FBI Operation "Root Canal" Documents Revealed (from the CPSR Alert 2.05) In response to a CPSR Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the FBI this week released 185 pages of documents concerning the Bureau's Digital Telephony Initiative, code-named Operation "Root Canal." The newly disclosed material raises serious doubts as to the accuracy of the FBI's claim that advances in telecommunications technology have hampered law enforcement efforts to execute court-authorized wiretaps. The FBI documents reveal that the Bureau initiated a well- orchestrated public relations campaign in support of "proposed legislation to compel telecommunications industry cooperation in assuring our digital telephony intercept requirements are met." A May 26, 1992, memorandum from the Director of the FBI to the Attorney General lays out a "strategy ... for gaining support for the bill once it reaches Congress," including the following: "Each FBI Special Agent in Charge's contacting key law enforcement and prosecutorial officials in his/her territory to stress the urgency of Congress's being sensitized to this critical issue; Field Office media representatives educating their contacts by explaining and documenting, in both local and national dimensions, the crisis facing law enforcement and the need for legislation; and Gaining the support of the professional associations representing law enforcement and prosecutors." However, despite efforts to obtain documentation from the field in support of Bureau claims of a "crisis facing law enforcement," the response from FBI Field Offices was that they experienced *no* difficulty in conducting electronic surveillance. For example, a December 3, 1992, memorandum from Newark reported the following: The Newark office of the Drug Enforcement Administration "advised that as of this date, the DEA has not had any technical problems with advanced telephone technology." The New Jersey Attorney General's Office "has not experienced any problems with the telephone company since the last contact." An agent from the Newark office of the Internal Revenue Service "advised that since the last time he was contacted, his unit has not had any problems with advanced telephony matters." An official of the New Jersey State Police "advised that as of this date he has had no problems with the present technology hindering his investigations." Likewise, a memorandum from the Philadelphia Field Office reported that the local offices of the IRS, Customs Service and the Secret Service were contacted and "experienced no difficulties with new technologies." Indeed, the newly-released documents contain no reports of *any* technical problems in the field. The documents also reveal the FBI's critical role in the development of the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), a cryptographic means of authenticating electronic communications that the National Institute of Standards and Technology was expected to develop. The DSS was proposed in August 1991 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. NIST later acknowledged that the National Security Agency developed the standard. The newly disclosed documents appear to confirm speculation that the FBI and the NSA worked to undermine the legal authority of the NIST to develop standards for the nation's communications infrastructure. CPSR intends to pursue further FOIA litigation to establish the extent of the FBI involvement in the development of the DSS and also to obtain a "cost-benefit" study discussed in one of the FBI Director's memos and other documents the Bureau continues to withhold. ---- To subscribe to the Alert, send the message: "subscribe cpsr " (without quotes or brackets) to listserv@gwuvm.gwu.edu. Back issues of the Alert are available at the CPSR Internet Library FTP/WAIS/Gopher cpsr.org /cpsr/alert Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility is a national, non-partisan, public-interest organization dedicated to understanding and directing the impact of computers on society. Founded in 1981, CPSR has 2000 members from all over the world and 22 chapters across the country. Our National Advisory Board includes a Nobel laureate and three winners of the Turing Award, the highest honor in computer science. Membership is open to everyone. For more information, please contact: cpsr@cpsr.org or visit the CPSR discussion conferences on The Well (well.sf.ca.us) or Mindvox (phantom.com). ------------------------------ From: Bill Kisse Newsgroups: alt.privacy,comp.society.privacy,misc.legal Subject: Re: Finding someone Followup-To: alt.privacy,comp.society.privacy,misc.legal Date: 13 Nov 1993 17:51:50 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA 'Database America' publishes CD-ROMS that allow you to find EVERY person in the U.S. who has a telephone in their name (of course this excludes non-listed phones). It's available for $99.95. I purchased mine at a local computer store. If you can't find it, E-Mail me and I'll get the phone number of the firm that produces it. Regards. -- Bill Kisse............................................Video Labs Corporation 1+ (301) 217-0000........................................15237 Display Court 1+ (301) 217-0044 (Fax).............................Rockville, MD USA 20850 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 11:29:30 -0500 From: Bob Goudreau Subject: Re: California Driver License and SSN Richard Roda writes: > >>privledge of driving. Dave > >That's really neat. Does this mean that if I don't avail myself of the >"privilidge" of driving, that I don't have to pay any taxes that go to >support the highway system? Bzzz! If the highway system were supported by >user fees, I would agree with this logic. But, since it is supported from >my income taxes, I am paying for the road, but don't get to use the road I >pay for because it is a Privilidge(TM). Actually, most highway systems in the US *are* primarily supported by "user fees" (in the form of federal and state fuel taxes), *not* by income taxes. There are even some exemptions from those taxes available for non-road fuel uses, such as heating oil or for fuel that the user guarantees will only be used in farm equipment. And BTW, if you're going to flame his spelling, at least get it right yourself! It's "privilege". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Goudreau Data General Corporation goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 Alexander Drive +1 919 248 6231 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Reagle Jr." Subject: Graduate Programs Date: 15 Nov 1993 15:40:30 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Can anyone recommend a graduate program that deals with the social/legal/economic issues of future computer technology and it's security issues? (Growth of Internet, is it secure though?.... etc.) Kind of along the lines of what the EFF is concerned with. -- Regards, Joseph M. Reagle Jr. | ST: What's a self-locking stemp-bolt for? reagle@umbc.edu | SNL: You put your weed in there man. jreagl1@umbc8.umbc.edu | ------------------------------ From: Rajiv A Manglani Subject: Re: Finding someone -- FOUND! Date: 15 Nov 1993 17:38:51 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Just wanted to thank everyone on this group who gave me suggestions... I have found the person that I was looking for. Rajiv -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Me: Rajiv A. 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