Date: Thu, 27 May 93 17:03:59 EST Errors-To: Comp-privacy Error Handler From: Computer Privacy Digest Moderator To: Comp-privacy@PICA.ARMY.MIL Subject: Computer Privacy Digest V2#046 Computer Privacy Digest Thu, 27 May 93 Volume 2 : Issue: 046 Today's Topics: Moderator: Dennis G. Rears Re: P.O. Boxes Re: P.O. Boxes Re: P.O. Boxes Re: P.O. Boxes French phreacking on Northern Telecom PBX Searching for Writers The Computer Privacy Digest is a forum for discussion on the effect of technology on privacy. The digest is moderated and gatewayed into the USENET newsgroup comp.society.privacy (Moderated). Submissions should be sent to comp-privacy@pica.army.mil and administrative requests to comp-privacy-request@pica.army.mil. Back issues are available via anonymous ftp on ftp.pica.army.mil [129.139.160.133]. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbcondat@attmail.com Date: 31 Dec 69 23:59:59 GMT Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes On Sun, 23 May 1993 21:43:00 GMT, Peter (pbray@reed.edu) wrote: > Does anyone know what type of information one needs to supply to get > a P.O. Box. I mean, does one need to give name, home address and so > forth. Can you rent a box anonymously? Also, if this is not the > case, under what circumstances would the workers of the P.O. Box give > out this information? Finally, does anyone know the monthly cost of > a P.O. Box? In France, I have two P.O. Box ("boites postales" or "B.P."). The first one in Lyon and the second for my business near Paris. The first in Lyon is a student-"B.P." without any fees: some high school students are able to receive paper reprints, scientific journals, newspapers, etc. in this "boite postale". The normal time period for this type of PO Box is 10 years. My one is born on Sept. 1st, 1981! The second one is for business use only and need some conditions: (1) An official name and address with a regular DUN's number ("code SIREN" in France); (2) A traffic of more than 40 commercial letters and 2 little packets pro working days; (3) An annual fees of 156 FF payable all March 1st (note that the first time you open a PO Box, you need to paid 156 FF until next March 1st). But this last case give you the possibility of receiving hurge quantity of letters of all types of posting (pre-paid, taxed-letters, telegrams, DHL, ChronoPost (French Extremely Rush delivery letter), Distingo (one-price- letter), etc.). Don't hesitate to write me to my to "boites postales," ok? +----- -----+ Jean-Bernard Condat General Secretary Chaos Computer Club France, B.P. 155, 93404 St-Ouen Cedex, France Private Address: P.O. 8005, 69351 Lyon Cedex 08, France Phone: +33 1 40101764, Fax: +33 1 47877070 InterNet: jbcondat@attmail.com or cccf@altern.com ------------------------------ From: Henry Mensch Date: Mon, 24 May 93 15:26:36 -0700 Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes [Moderator's Note: You generally need name and address. They will take your address and mail you a confirmation card. You than take this card and present it to the PO. They will then give your box. I pay $14 every 6 months for mine. I think they have to give your name and address to anyone who requests it. ._dennis ] i've never had to play this confirmation card game, and i've had po boxes all over this country (and in other countries, too). they only time they send you a card is if there are no boxes available at the post office at the time of your request (then they send the card to let you know that something is available). [Moderator's Note: It looks like things are not standardized with the UPS. Check with your local post office for how they do it in your area. ._dennis ] # henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc. / # "fight the real enemy." -- sinead o'connor, and many others. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Ptasnik Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes > From: pbray@reed.edu > Subject: P.O. Boxes > > Does anyone know what type of information one needs to supply to get > a P.O. Box. I mean, does one need to give name, home address and so > forth. Can you rent a box anonymously? Also, if this is not the > case, under what circumstances would the workers of the P.O. Box give > out this information? Finally, does anyone know the monthly cost of > a P.O. Box? > > Peter You need not get an actual P(ost) O(ffice) Box. Virtually all major cities have "Mail Services". These services provide a PO style box, have a regular street address, with your box number added. Frequently people will call these Suites or Apt's. For example Peter 1234 Jones Street Suite 123 Seattle, WA 98999 In many ways this is better than a PO Box. You can use it as a "regular" address when filling out forms for organizations you prefer not to have your regular street address, and who may not accept "regular" PO Boxes as addresses. If you move around alot, it lets you keep a consistent address, regardless of your roaming. Frequently owners of these shops are very flexible with special arrangements. I have box 201 at such an establishment. Due to my interest in Science Fiction, they allow me to give out the address as 2001, and still put the mail in the right place. I have my own key to my box, and can pick up my mail any time they are open. Some even provide 24hr access to boxes. My cost for a small box is about $15.00/mo. Dave P davep@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Steve Forrette Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy,alt.privacy Subject: Re: P.O. Boxes Date: 25 May 1993 17:31:12 GMT Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA In article pbray@reed.edu writes: > >Does anyone know what type of information one needs to supply to get >a P.O. Box. > >[Moderator's Note: You generally need name and address. They will take >your address and mail you a confirmation card. You than take this >card and present it to the PO. They will then give your box. I pay $14 >every 6 months for mine. I think they have to give your name and address >to anyone who requests it. ._dennis ] The owner's name and address is only public if the box is used for business purposes, or some similar category. I think there's a checkbox on the application where you state whether or not this is the case. If you use a name other than your personal name (such as XYZ Corp), you'll have a hard time convincing them that it is for personal use. Another option is to go to one of the private maildrop places. They will generally ask you to fill out a form with your name and home address, but I've never seen one that actually verifies the information, and you can pay in cash, so there's no reason you can't just use false information. Generally speaking, you'll pay more than for a P.O. Box, generally $9-$14 per month. Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com ------------------------------ From: jbcondat@attmail.com Date: 31 Dec 69 23:59:59 GMT Subject: French phreacking on Northern Telecom PBX In France, I note that Northern Telecom continue an uncredible progression in number of PBX installed. NT will be present on the MATRA logo since some months. Some people have ask me how to prevent a phreaking process that will be described: (1) Go to a public phone in the street and never used your own private phone; (2) Dial a "numero vert" (equivalent of the 800 phone number) that go on a NT' PBX and wait for the vocal message of the Meridian Mail system. You can found this "numero vert" on all ads in newspaper for the greatest PBX: SNCF (train), VITTEL (water), Canal+ (TV), BARCLAYS (bank), EuroDisney (games), Microsoft (softwares), etc. Note that this phone call will be gratis! (3) As soon as you have the vocal message, dial "0" then "*" for having the automatic dial service; (4) Dial "0" and your asked phone number ended by "#"... some seconds after you have your communication! How can I do to suppress this un-credible fonction of Meridian Mail? +----- -----+ Jean-Bernard Condat General Secretary Chaos Computer Club France, B.P. 155, 93404 St-Ouen Cedex, France Private Address: P.O. 8005, 69351 Lyon Cedex 08, France Phone: +33 1 40101764, Fax: +33 1 47877070 InterNet: jbcondat@attmail.com or cccf@altern.com ------------------------------ From: Dena L Bruedigam Newsgroups: alt.privacy.clipper,alt.security,comp.society.privacy,misc.security Subject: Searching for Writers Date: 26 May 1993 19:06:21 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University I am searching for articles for publication on the subjects of computer privacy, encryption, government regulation of electronic media, clipper chip, etc. to use in monthly political journal. No pay, but credit and free copies will be given to writers. Circulation includes U.S., Great Britain, Canada, and Guam. Readership includes intellectual types, but articles need to be basic enough to appeal to normal people. Please respond by e-mail to: dbruedig@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu. Samples of publication are available by snail (please send 29-cent stamp): Claustrophobia, 400 N. High St. #137 Columbus, OH 43215. We are a philosophical journal dedicated to freedom and individual liberty, and want to include more articles about technology. -----Dena L. Bruedigam, publisher ------------------------------ End of Computer Privacy Digest V2 #046 ******************************